TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Alan Munn

12:00 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel @PauloCereda needs to worry if you're an OS X cat.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Suddenly surf. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda And my edit was bigger than yours. :P

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn LOL

@AlanMunn:

►

Watch from 3:00 on. :)

I can't wait until OSX Chowchilla. :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@AlanMunn Na, I’m a harmless kitten. :)

Paulo Cereda

Vacaville, California

Vacaville is a city located in Solano County in Northern California. The city is nearly half way between Sacramento and San Francisco on I-80. It sits approximately from Sacramento, and from San Francisco. As of the 2010 census, the city had a population of 92,428, making it the third largest city in Solano County. History The city was founded on December 13, 1851 by William McDaniel, on a part of the 1843 Mexican land grant Rancho Los Putos purchased from Manuel Cabeza Vaca. The city was a Pony Express stop and was home to many large produce companies and local farms which flourishe...

For me, literally, village of cows. :P

@Qrrbrbirlbel Speaking of cats, mine is over the refrigerator. Stealth cat FTW. :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

12:14 AM

@PauloCereda :)

Germans say Kuhdorf, too: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kuhdorf

I find it very interesting that Vacaville's skyline consists of a) a building of Vacaville and b) Sacramento's skyline.

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel ooh! :)

Peter Grill

12:36 AM

Why does this result in the index entry as "[Spock" (note the additional square bracket)?

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{imakeidx}
\makeindex[columns=1]

\begin{document}
  Testing
  \index{Spock!Star Trek}
  \printindex
\end{document}

Paulo Cereda

@PeterGrill I can't reproduce it. :(

Peter Grill

@PauloCereda Ok, must be somehing screwy with my setup. Thanks for testing..

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PeterGrill Same here.

Peter Grill

@Qrrbrbirlbel Thanks... I'll just ignore that as it is only showing up in my MWE that I am preparing for a question..

Paulo Cereda

12:55 AM

INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY?!

Oh my.

Alan Munn

1:25 AM

@Jake Hi Jake.

Jake

@AlanMunn Hi Alan

Qrrbrbirlbel

1:42 AM

@PeterGrill The .ind file contains nearly what you want. You simply have to get rid of \item, \subitem, the index environment and the page numbers …

Sean Allred

2:39 AM

HUH. I'M PRETTY SURE INT'L CAPS LOCK DAY WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO, SOMETIME IN THE FALL I BELIEVE.

Peter Grill

4:20 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel Yeah could do that. However, I have been leaning towards doing an \immediate\write18 into a temporary file with exactly the format I want and simply concatenating the individual files.

Joseph Wright

6:15 AM

What happened with powerdot: just removed from my TL2013 system!

texenthusiast

May be HV is inactive author hence someone needs to takeover

mozartstraße

7:35 AM

@texenthusiast What package are you talking about?

texenthusiast

powerdot

Joseph Wright

@texenthusiast Things are not removed just for lack of a maintainer

I've asked on the TL list

texenthusiast

@JosephWright Ok.

mozartstraße

fp-exp package by Michael Mehlich has an easy, tiny bug (as mentioned here). I need a volunteer to upload the fix as I think an anonymous user will not be allowed to do so.

Joseph Wright

8:38 AM

@mozartstraße I can talk to Karl B. and CTAN if you like (they know me)

@mozartstraße Can you send me the detail in an e-mail?

mozartstraße

@JosephWright The bug is very easy. The unwanted white space just needs to be commented by %. Of course I can send the e-mail.

Stack Exchange

Joseph Wright has added an event to this room's schedule.

Joseph Wright

@mozartstraße Just easier for me to track!

Stack Exchange

Joseph Wright has removed an event from this room's schedule.

Joseph Wright has added an event to this room's schedule.

mozartstraße

@JosephWright Ok. I will send the e-mail soon.

mozartstraße

8:55 AM

@JosephWright The email has been sent.

Nicola Talbot

9:36 AM

@JosephWright Happy birthday for yesterday :-)

Marco Daniel

11:01 AM

@egreg: Can I send you an email?

Paulo Cereda

12:41 PM

@MarcoDaniel lalalalalala

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I went for a rather boring logo in the end. I haven't had time to design an interesting one, but it'll do for now. I just need to sort out the installer :-)

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda At the morning I had to much time ;-)

Paulo Cereda

1:00 PM

@NicolaTalbot Oh. :) Expect an email from me later on today.

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Okay :-)

Nicola Talbot

2:37 PM

Does anyone want to try out my new app? Home page: dickimaw-books.com/apps/datatooltk The source is on GitHub. Also, would anyone be interested in translating the resource file and manual?

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Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot With my Mac I get the following error:

marco@imac:/Applications/datatooltk/bin$./datatooltk-gui
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: com/dickimawbooks/datatooltk/DatatoolTk : Unsupported major.minor version 51.0
	at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)
	at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClassCond(ClassLoader.java:631)
	at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:615)
	at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:141)
	at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:283)

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel What version of java do you have?

Marco Daniel

marco@imac:~$java -version
java version "1.6.0_51"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_51-b11-456-11M4508)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.51-b01-456, mixed mode)

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel Oh, okay. It needs 1.7 (I thought the installer was supposed to check that.)

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot The installation works well.

Nicola Talbot

2:48 PM

@MarcoDaniel Hmm. It's the first time I've used IzPack. I'll have to investigate further. I've only got java 1.7 installed. I'll have to see if I can install java 1.6 and compile with that. Thanks for trying it out.

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot There seems to be something odd with my installation:

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel Oh weird. Is it possible you have two versions of java installed? I don't know anything about Macs.

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot I found this:

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Q: Installed Java 7 on Mac OS X but Terminal is still using version 6

I've installed JDK 7u7 downloaded from oracle's website. But after installation, the terminal is still showing java version 6 $java -version java version "1.6.0_35" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_35-b10-428-11M3811) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.10-b01-428, mixed mode...

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel That looks like the problem. It looks like you need to change JAVA_HOME.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot How nice! IzPack is cool! :)

Nicola Talbot

2:58 PM

@PauloCereda Yes, it is :-) Thanks for suggesting it.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot I did? Oh my. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I think so. My memory's a bit hazy. You use it for arara, don't you?

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Yes. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Ah well, that's a good enough recommendation :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Nicola, @Marco: Just a note that I found out when I was working with the arara installer: if I'm not mistaken, IzPack is built to generate a 1.5+ compliant file, so installation might work on virtually any Java-enabled operating system. :)

@NicolaTalbot awww. :)

Nicola Talbot

3:03 PM

@PauloCereda That's useful :-)

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot After fixing my issue it works. Great tool.

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel Thanks :-) Glad it's working.

@Paulo Now I just need to write a yaml file so it can be used with arara :-)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot awww. <3

Nicola Talbot

4:02 PM

@PauloCereda I think I'm going to need some help ;-)

What does it mean when arara says the yaml file "has an unavailable variable/method in the rule context: '<unknown>'"?

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot Can you show the current rule

Nicola Talbot

Here's the yaml file:

!config
identifier: datatooltk
name: DatatoolTk
command: datatooltk --out "@{out}" "@{in}"
arguments:
- identifier: out
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.out}
- identifier: in
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.in}

and here's the directive in the tex file:

% arara: datatooltk: {out: test-out.dbtex, in: data-raw.dbtex}

Marco Daniel

identifier: datatooltk
name: DatatoolTk
command: <arara> datatooltk --out "@{out}" "@{in}"
arguments:
- identifier: out
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.out}
- identifier: in
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.in}

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel Hmm. I'm still getting the same error message.

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot I am testing ;-)

Nicola Talbot

4:08 PM

@MarcoDaniel Thanks :-)

@MarcoDaniel The following works okay:

!config
identifier: datatooltk
name: DatatoolTk
command: <arara> datatooltk --out "@{out}" @{options}
arguments:
- identifier: out
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.out}
- identifier: options
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.options}

I think I'll just stick with that.

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot What's the differences?

Nicola Talbot

@MarcoDaniel Just the way it's called: % arara: datatooltk: {out: test-out.dbtex, options: --in data-raw.dbtex}. I don't understand why it doesn't work with @{in} instead of @{options}, but this seems to fit with other yaml files like your makeglossaries.yaml.

Marco Daniel

@NicolaTalbot Odd. The rule dvips or ps2pdf are working

!config
# DVIPS rule for arara
# author: Marco Daniel
# requires arara 3.0+
identifier: dvips
name: DVIPS
command: <arara> dvips "@{getBasename(file)}.dvi" -o "@{output}.ps" @{options}
arguments:
- identifier: output
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.output}
  default: <arara> @{getBasename(file)}
- identifier: options
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.options}

cgnieder

@NicolaTalbot I'd guess it's probably the quotes: "@{out}" "@{in}" vs "@{out}" @{options}

Paulo Cereda

4:37 PM

@NicolaTalbot Good question. :)

Nicola Talbot

@cgnieder Okay. The --out option is the only mandatory one for batch mode (combined with one of --in or --csv or --sql or -probsoln) so maybe it's better to just stick with @{options}

Paulo Cereda

I'll take a look on the code. :)

@Nicola: BTW, F19 on Tuesday. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda :-)

@PauloCereda Ooh! What's it called?

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Schrödinger's cat. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Ooh! Will F20 be Pavlov's Dog?

Gonzalo Medina

4:40 PM

Please, consider voting this for reopening:

0

Q: Beamer: description item with tiny font

In Beamer, I use the following code \setbeamerfont{description item}{size=\tiny} but it seem not to work. How can I make description items use tiny as fontsize?

beamer fontsize

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot ooh! Oh no we lost the deadline! fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_20

Gonzalo Medina

The reason is that in comments it was suggested using the enumitem package, and that is not recommended when using beamer.

@NicolaTalbot Now I'm on vacation, so I'll have time for the translation. I hope it's not too late.

Nicola Talbot

@GonzaloMedina For the book? (Sorry, I've just been soliciting for translations for my new app, so I was momentarily thrown.) No, that's fine. I don't have any deadline. I can send you a complementary copy so you can see the text in context with the pictures if you like.

@PauloCereda I like the reasoning behind "Fedora Twenty"!

Gonzalo Medina

@NicolaTalbot Yes, for the book. Ah, having the text in context would be nice.

Nicola Talbot

@GonzaloMedina Can you email me your postal address and I'll send it.

Paulo Cereda

4:48 PM

@NicolaTalbot :)

@Nicola: I once suggested a name for Fedora (15), but they thought it would be very difficult: fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_15 :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I like the "Cherry Ice Cream" suggestion

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot I'll vote for that option when it becomes available. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Which one did you suggest? I can't see any duck suggestions ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Expect a duck in F21. :) I suggested Gutzwiller. :)

Gonzalo Medina

5:05 PM

@NicolaTalbot Postal address sent. Thank you very much!

Marco Daniel

@GonzaloMedina You can provide an answer ;-)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Yay, go for it :-)

@GonzaloMedina Got it, thanks.

@Paulo How long did it take for your duck book to arrive? Just wondering how long the post takes to get to South America.

Paulo Cereda

6:09 PM

@NicolaTalbot Errr... it didn't arrive yet. :(

Nicola Talbot

6:36 PM

@PauloCereda Oh no! I sent it weeks ago :-(

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Welcome to Brazil. :(

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda So much for air mail being the speedy option! I'm sorry, I should've chosen the trackable option then I could've found out what'd happened to it.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Nah don't worry. :) I'm almost 100% sure the package is stuck in the customs.

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda My mum's sending a copy to one of her cousins in Brazil. I'd better warn her it'll take a long time.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot I think it might take around 2 months.

Nicola Talbot

6:46 PM

@PauloCereda Yikes, that's longer than surface mail!

@PauloCereda Maybe the customs officers are enjoying reading it!

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot I wish. The majority of our population doesn't know English. :)

@Nicola: @Alan has experience with our postal service. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Perhaps they're just enjoying the pictures ;-)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda We tend to receive more than we send (mainly shipments of mate). A alma do Rio Grande do Sul é verde.

@PauloCereda But lately customs has been especially bad in Brazil when we send things there.

@MarcoDaniel natbib does a bunch of things using \AtBeginDocument which is why my code must go after \begin{document}. Maybe we should delete our comments?

Marco Daniel

7:02 PM

@AlanMunn But it works:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{natbib}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\hypersetup{colorlinks,
linkcolor=blue,
citecolor=blue}
\makeatletter
\AtBeginDocument{%
 \renewcommand\NAT@open{\color{blue}(}%
}
\begin{document}

\cite{article-full}

\cite{article-full}

\bibliographystyle{chicago}
\bibliography{xampl}
\end{document}

Alan Munn

@MarcoDaniel Weird. I had \makeatletter \makeatother inside the \AtBeginDocument and it didn't work. Any idea why? So I'll adjust my answer.

Marco Daniel

@AlanMunn You can't change the catcode of @ inside an argument.

@AlanMunn Not a good explanation: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/33465/…

Alan Munn

@MarcoDaniel Ah, ok. I try to avoid changing catcodes in other contexts so I guess I've never encountered that. Thanks.

Marco Daniel

@AlanMunn Found it: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/12638/…

egreg

Back from the tour. Relax after dinner.

@AlanMunn Use them to surround \AtBeginDocument

egreg

7:29 PM

Today's destination was Florence. You can't know what you're missing if you've never been there. :)

Andrew Stacey

@egreg Florence was one of my favourites on my whistle-stop tour of Italy.

egreg

@AndrewStacey Usual anecdote about a young Australian girl a cousin of mine and I took to visit Florence: at the end she was almost unable to react to anything. Stendhal's syndrome.

Alan Munn

7:51 PM

@egreg Yes, I know that now. :)

@egreg I rode there on my bike (bicycle).

egreg

@AlanMunn Have you ever been in Florence?

Alan Munn

@egreg Wow I just answered your question before you asked it. :)

egreg

@AlanMunn What do you think about the city? Or you were too tired for seeing something?

Alan Munn

@egreg It's an absolutely gorgeous city. I stayed there for a few days.

egreg

@AlanMunn I lived there for some months (a post lauream grant).

Alan Munn

7:56 PM

@egreg The ride there (from Bologna) was very scary at times. The descents are steep and there was fog.

egreg

@AlanMunn I probably made a different road than yours. Did you do the Futa pass?

Alan Munn

@egreg I honestly don't remember. It was a long time ago.

Looking at the map, that seems possible though. Could I have taken the main road on a bicycle?

egreg

@AlanMunn That's the main road; the descent from Futa pass is actually quite steep. I travelled two parallel roads. But surely the arrival from Futa is much better than from Prato: a horrible industrialized area along the Arno river.

@AlanMunn That road has not much traffic any more, everybody uses the highway.

Alan Munn

@egreg Oh, ok. So then I probably did take that route.

egreg

@AlanMunn The arrival is from a hill north of Florence, at a certain point you have the whole city in front of you.

Alan Munn

8:07 PM

@egreg Yes, I remember that. It's a great view.

egreg

@AlanMunn You probably didn't go to Fiesole with your bike: that's a very steep ascent.

Fiesole used to be the big city: it has Etruscan origins. Now it's just a small town near the big one. But there's still a bishop distinct from Florence archbishop.

Alan Munn

8:28 PM

@egreg Probably not. But I do remember that the ascents in the Apennines were much worse than anything I encountered in Switzerland.

egreg

@AlanMunn The passes are never so high, not more than 1200m in the northern Apennines, but some of them are really tough. You should try Passo Pordoi in the Dolomites: that's an ascent!

Joseph Wright

Full with MathJax in chat in the MathOverflow room!

Alan Munn

@egreg Unfortunately it's been a long time since I've done any bike touring. I switched to backpacking, but even that not so much any more. I somehow don't seem to find or make the time for it. Michigan is very bike unfriendly, (because of the motorists) and there are no mountains to go hiking in.

Paulo Cereda

8:53 PM

@AlanMunn Chicken. :) "Born to be wild" playing in the background

I always hurt my back when riding bikes. :)

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz, @MartinScharrer Did you look at tex.stackexchange.com/admin/flags/close-as-off-topic?

It seems we can directly sort out meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3632/…, both in terms of the default close reason and the custom text!

egreg

@PauloCereda Add a motor.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! :)

Joseph Wright

For everyone else:

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: can we have a "This question needs more ducks." option too, please? :)

egreg

9:03 PM

@JosephWright Fine with me.

Joseph Wright

@egreg What I notice, that I'd not picked up before, is that the OT text checks if reasons agree. So some custom close reasons might be sensible, so that the standard text is the 'this is not about TeX' while a second one could cover the 'typo/package bug/...' point.

egreg

@JosephWright Oh, I forgot about that one. Definitely to be added.

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Can we change all the "must"s to "should"s?

Joseph Wright

@egreg In my meta question, I'd thought that the default text applied to every OT closure

@AlanMunn Certainly, but in the meta questions I've been asking, the consensus as I read it is that both of these cases are not OT but 'unclear' anyway!

As I understand it, I'll need one of @MartinScharrer/@StefanKottwitz to approve any changes made, so want to get all my 'ducks in a row' before altering

Alan Munn

9:35 PM

@JosephWright So they'll just disappear?

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn That would be my preference, I think

Alan Munn

@JosephWright So can we add custom reasons to all the close reasons? (Is that what you meant by we can split?)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn No, what I meant is that the text 'This does not appear to be about TeX ...' doesn't get added if a question is closed for a custom reason. So if we decide to, we can have keep the current 'generic' text for 'truly off-topic' and have a custom close reason which covers the 'don't ask us about typos, things already fixed ...' closure reason

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Ok. If that's the case, the I think Andrew's version is fine if we remove the first bullet point. So for the unclear closes we're going to still have to supplement with comments requesting MWEs.

Paulo Cereda

10:24 PM

@AlanMunn: you know, you'd be a great mod. :)

Alan Munn

10:43 PM

@PauloCereda :) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/121663/…

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh! :)

@Alan: we have chemists, engineers and mathematicians. Time for a linguist to shine. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Is anyone itching to step down as mod? Or are you just provoking. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Of course I'm provoking. :)

Alan Munn

11:00 PM

@PauloCereda Well thanks for the compliments anyway. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn :) We can also summon armageddon:

Jun 24 at 19:37, by David Carlisle

@egreg we could both be mods then that would make !!/battle more exiting as we wage war using super-powers against each other.

:)

Paulo Cereda

11:21 PM

k3b is still a gem in the Linux world.

egreg

11:36 PM

!!/battle

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh I cannot start Psmith. Machine is updating right now. :(

egreg

@PauloCereda 95 ahead for the month. It should be enough until tomorrow. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Let me see if I can enable him. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Don't worry.

Paulo Cereda

!!/battle

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 260 vs. 225 David. So far, egreg is winning.

ooh. :)

!!/month

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: The current score for this month is:
- egreg
- David Carlisle (-95)
- Gonzalo Medina (-535)
- Heiko Oberdiek (-2282)
- Jake (-2950)

:)

@egreg: I'll try to rewrite Psmith entirely from scratch in the end of the year. :)

egreg

11:45 PM

@PauloCereda By the way, the ETA for the big event is around July 14. Oh, no! That's another feast. Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Uh-oh. :)

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