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1:38 AM
@PauloCereda I'm not subscribed to any R mailing list, but the r-bloggers.com R Blog Aggregator makes for interesting reading.
 
 
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6:43 AM
huhu
 
7:02 AM
@Szabolcs Not offtopic as long as it improves the productivity of using the editor or helps to start TeXing
 
kan
Sigh!
I have been hanging out to write answers, but either somebody gets there before me or they have a better solution or the question is too hard for me.
Hello @Herbert :)
 
@kan hi
 
@kan ha ha best thing is read the current answers and your favourties (that's what i do) :)
 
kan
I agree!
I am also doing some analysis, here! Fun stuff!
 
@kan which analysis ?
@kan i want to know if you can see emacs integral pdf viewer like in TeXmaker ?
 
kan
7:13 AM
@texenthusiast You can hook up Emacs with any viewer of your choice. I have it integrated with Okular.
@texenthusiast Analysis on metric spaces and normed linear spaces.
 
@kan not a pure math guy but i know vector spaces hilbert and other etcc.
@kan Ok i like integral viewer. I use evince.
 
kan
Oh! Then it is easy to explain this to you: hilbert space is a vector space with inner product and it is complete with respect to the norm induced by the inner product. So, two features are completeness with respect to a norm, and the norm comes from an inner product. So, strip those off! So, a normed linear space is a vector space with a norm. If you ask the space to be complete with the norm, these are Banach spaces. Just words, I know.
But, if you think about them, you'll see a lot of nice things.
@texenthusiast The viewer is "integral". :)
 
@kan became a math guy for few secs sorry integrated
@kan why does the eigen values do not exist for non linear systems ? or do they ?
 
kan
Oopsie: no pun was intended. I meant that, the viewer is integrated to the editor in your sense. That is the viewer updates on the compile and you can go to the viewer window from the editor with C-c C-v.
 
@kan no worry buddy. its fine.
 
kan
7:25 AM
@texenthusiast "Eigen values of a non-linear system" -- definition? In any case, if I interpret non-linear system to mean a non-linear function, under some nice conditions, you can show the existence of fixed points. They may, well count as "eigen "vectors"" of "eigen value" 1. :)
 
@Speravir I think it's bad, I wasn't offensive or rude. I basically said that for a mathematician, "I don't believe" means "I miss a proof" rather than "I think it's false" ;)
 
kan
Or, if you meant, infinite dimensional case, even linear maps fail to have eigen values.
 
I don't believe means "prove it"
 
@kan i am from engg so i mean systems with geometric or material nonlinearities which will produce a elliptical plots of phase and velocity like poincare plots.
@kan are matrices a special case of vector spaces ?
 
kan
7:54 AM
You need to be a little more careful: a matrix is just one entity: a bunch of numbers (for the sake of this discussion). But, a vector space is a set of entities. So, you should have said "is the set of matrices a vector space"? There are more things you have not been explicit about. But, anyway, the answer is easy: the set of all nxn matrices (with entries coming from a field) is a vector space over that field (for any n>0).

Sorry to be nitpicking, but I think it is important to develop precision in mathematical language. Hope this comment is helpful.
 
@kan sure , as i said you relax assumptions with engg
@kan Thanks for your explanation. Great one.
 
user19161
8:18 AM
@kan Hey! Debian Wheezy is out! You might wanna try it out.
 
kan
@JasperLoy Is it easy to get used to for someone like me?
 
user19161
@kan Hmm, a bit harder than Ubuntu. Also, it uses GNOME shell instead of Unity shell.
 
kan
@JasperLoy I don't like Unity shell for its clutter. I am liking the Xubuntu (XFCE session).
 
user19161
@kan Ah, OK, Debian will have live DVDs for GNOME, KDE, LXDE and XFCE. See live.debian.net for now. Later on, they will be on some of the usual mirrors as well.
 
kan
Just a second dude! I am writing an answer....
 
 
2 hours later…
10:10 AM
Quiet today
 
yeah i am exhausted of TeXing
 
@DominicMichaelis It isn't supposed to be exhausting any more:
212
A: How can I explain the meaning of LaTeX to my grandma?

David CarlisleIt does this but it uses a computer and so requires less manual labour. (image from Wikipedia)

@JosephWright BOO
 
@DavidCarlisle my measure theory prof is very fast so it is exhausting typing so fast
 
@DavidCarlisle Hello
 
@kan :-)
 
10:23 AM
@DominicMichaelis I wouldn't even dream of trying to type at dictation speed:-) (two finger typist:-)
 
its been abou 300 lines in 80 minutes of math code ^^
 
Where were all the vim supporters while @David was plugging emacs?
!!/choose vim, emacs
Psmith is no longer talking to me.
 
@nicola Paolo is offline we don't know what t odo
 
@DominicMichaelis Just as I thought. The vim users were missing in the earlier emacs/vi conversation. We'll have to plug vim when @Paulo comes back.
 
@NicolaTalbot I thought I was very even handed, considering.
 
10:33 AM
@DavidCarlisle Well, you did say that one is the best editor on the planet, so I'll assume you meant vim :-P
 
can you compile with vim ?
or better can I compile with vim (notice the difference) :d
 
@DominicMichaelis Yes, although I never bother. I've always been in the habit of having at least 2 terminals open. One with the code in vim and another to run make (or arara). I do this regardless of whether I'm writing (La)TeX code or Java etc.
You can run any command from within vim using :! in front of the command name.
 
oh i use WinEdt and feel totally stupid everytime i listen to you :D
is it really worth the time learning vim ?
 
@DominicMichaelis It's just what you're used to.
@DominicMichaelis Yes :-) Although there's a learning curve (like LaTeX), although I expect @David would recommend emacs. (I think he's not talking to me any more for suggesting vim was the best editor on the plant.)
But then I'm biased. If you're happy with WinEdt, there's no real reason to change, but I find the advance regular expressions very useful.
 
i don't know what a regular expression is :)
 
10:49 AM
hello
for comments while writing
 
@DominicMichaelis Better do crossword puzzles, they're more amusing. ;-)
 
however, that doesn't work with lists (enumerations)
yet
question 1: any idea how to make it work with lists ?
question 2: how can one use a red text-colour for an entire list (including bullets and all) ?
 
@DominicMichaelis It's advanced searching :-)
Suppose you want to search for any date in the form dd-mm-yyyy you can use the regular expression \d\d-\d\d-\d\d\d\d or \d{2}-\d{2}-\d{4}
 
{\color{red}
\begin{enumerate}
...
}
answers question 2
remains question 1
ideas welcome
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Have you had a look at the changes package?
 
10:57 AM
I think so
but the "rood" solution seems simple enough for my needs
(except for the writing a quick todo-list)
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Can you provide a minimal working example?
 
\documentclass[11pt]{article}
\usepackage{color}

\newcommand{\rood}[1]{\textcolor{red}{[#1]}} %for displaying red texts

% \newcommand{\rood}[1]{} %for hiding red texts

\begin{document}

bla \rood{bla} bla

\begin{enumerate}
\item The first item
\item The second item
\item The third\ldots
\end{enumerate}

\end{document}
 
11:12 AM
Apr 24 at 22:31, by David Carlisle
@Speravir I take no notice of vim users.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-P
@nuttyaboutnatty What do you want it to do that it's not doing?
 
@NicolaTalbot \rood{ \begin{enumerate} ...
I want do make the list "rood"
 
Thanks @Jake. :)
 
attempting so throws an error
 
@nuttyaboutnatty you have to make latex groups match up: you can not start an environment in one group and end it in another
 
11:15 AM
sounds sound
so is it possible to combine the list with rood ?
 
@DavidCarlisle: someone accepted my vim answer. :)
 
@nuttyaboutnatty so you can put the whole environment in there or individual item texts (you'd need something else if you also want individual item labels)
 
the whole thing, it's not for a fancy-shmancy indivualistic style
but should just function as an in-text todo list
 
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Someone has googled you recently.
 
@nuttyaboutnatty well that will work although just put a little [ before the list and a ] after it.
 
11:18 AM
\documentclass[11pt]{article}
\usepackage{color}

\newcommand{\rood}[1]{\textcolor{red}{[#1]}} %for displaying red texts

\newcommand{\rooditem}[1]{{\color{red}\item {[#1]}}}

% \newcommand{\rood}[1]{} %for hiding red texts

\begin{document}

bla \rood{bla} bla

\rood{%
\begin{enumerate}
\item The first item
\item The second item
\item The third\ldots
\end{enumerate}
}

\begin{enumerate}
\rooditem {The first item}
\item The second item
\item The third\ldots
\end{enumerate}


\end{document}
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot what does the pct-sign do after rood ?
@NicolaTalbot and @DavidCarlisle - dunno why it didn't work b4, now it does, thank you!
one minor thing: "rood" displays [ ] brackets around the comments
is there a way to disable that (either globally, but preferably for a given list environment) ?
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Removes the trailing end of line character (see dickimaw-books.com/latex/novices/html/…). Probably not needed here, but it's habit.
@nuttyaboutnatty The square brackets are in the definition of \rood. Just remove them if you don't want them. \newcommand{\rood}[1]{\textcolor{red}{#1}}
 
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 215 vs. 180 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaice
such basic stuff
can be soo good
 
@PauloCereda I didn't ask for it. :)
!!/cricket
 
11:27 AM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Afghanistan Under-19s 91/2 * v Hong Kong Under-19s 90/10
- Thailand Under-19s 67/10 * v United Arab Emirates Under-19s 346/9
- Bahrain Under-19s 123/6 * v Qatar Under-19s 119/10
- Lancashire v Essex 43/1 *
- Yorkshire 59/2 * v Somerset
- Rajasthan Royals v Delhi Daredevils 70/3 *
- Mumbai Indians v Kolkata Knight Riders

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle I type lectures in class. It's fun! You should be prepared! Very well!
 
@egreg oh, no unicorns today. :(
 
@PauloCereda I wonder if they won.
 
@egreg Let's ask our expert: @David, did the unicorns win their match? :)
 
kan
11:30 AM
Oh, egreg is VERY quick.
 
@egreg Oh no. :(
 
11:53 AM
Yay, I broke the 24k vote barrier!
@NicolaTalbot: can we set up a date for your interview? :)
 
@PauloCereda Okay :-) Is there a usual time?
@PauloCereda Yay! :-) Party!
!!/eightball Should we have a party?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my sources say no.
 
@PauloCereda Spoil sport.
 
@NicolaTalbot It's up to you. :)
 
@PauloCereda How about a Saturday?
 
11:58 AM
@PauloCereda good time for your interview then.
 
@DavidCarlisle Definitely! :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle We have another interview in course. :)
@NicolaTalbot It's ok for me, we need to ask our other reporters. :)
 
!!/eightball Should @Paulo be interviewed?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes no.
 
@PauloCereda Ooh, that's cheating!
 
12:01 PM
@NicolaTalbot <3
 
12:25 PM
!!/eightball Should @NicolaTalbo be interviewed ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: been there, done that.
 
@PauloCereda Psmith has spoken! ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot :)
@JosephWright, @egreg, @DavidCarlisle and others: how about a saturday interview with Nicola? :)
 
@PauloCereda if I'm around OK if not less so (but same is true of workdays:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
12:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle If no one else is around @Paulo and I can just talk about ice cream.
And ducks.
 
@NicolaTalbot and emacs of course
 
@DavidCarlisle :-P
 
@NicolaTalbot Yay! :)
I'll make the interview lion have ice cream. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
!!/eightball Is David secretly a vim user?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: never in a million years.
LOL
@DavidCarlisle: Teh bot knows.
 
kan
12:45 PM
@PauloCereda It has always done, unless you make an yes into a no, and evade interviews. :)
 
!!/eightball Should the interview be about ice cream and ducks?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: very doubtful.
 
!!/eightball Are you a spoil sport?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: absolutely not.
 
@PauloCereda I beg to differ :-P
 
12:47 PM
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: You will live a long life and eat many fortune cookies.
ooh cookies!
 
!!/eightball Do you like cookies?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't count on it.
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12:59 PM
@PauloCereda Fine with me
 
Hi everyone
 
@JosephWright Cool. :)
 
I really need some help here
 
@MarioS.E. 'lo! :)
 
!!/eightball should we help @MarioS.E.
 
1:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: how about reading source2e?
 
I've writing a lot for my thesis (lots of chapters), but now I have come to a conclusion that I need something like Part I: theoretical background, Part II: Implemented design
...I don't know of any higher section than "chapter"
 
\part{Theoretical background}
Problem solved. :)
 
@MarioS.E. there's one called \part
 
is there any way to introduce some sectioning?
ok, and... how do I use it? just like that?
 
@MarioS.E. yes
 
1:02 PM
Thanks guys, you rock!
 
Hi everyone
 
@Sosi Hello
 
How's it going?
 
@Sosi fine, thanks
Talk for France is shaping up: I now know what I'll speak about :-)
 
1:20 PM
!!/battle
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 215 vs. 220 David. So far, David is winning.
 
1:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda how do I "end" the \part? (I'm saying this because of the bibliography and appendix)
 
kan
@MarioS.E. You never end sections, do you? I'd reckon this works similarly. /intuition
 
@kan You're right, but conclusions and appendix are new \chapters.
 
kan
@MarioS.E. As opposed to being sections?
 
@kan What I want is that both my conclusions (chapter) and my appendix are not part of a \part, but are kept away just like the TOC
 
@MarioS.E. Well, when you set a part structure, you are setting a higher level, so appendices and annexes are hierarchically subordinated to it. :)
 
1:41 PM
@PauloCereda Yeap, I can see that... how do I get them outside? Is it even possible?
 
@MarioS.E. Not that I know of. :) You can run, you can hide, but you can't escape. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hahahahha, all the sudden \part is not my favorite anymore :P
I've seen that if I use \part*{Theoretical Background} everything seems ok
 
@MarioS.E. What if you create a \part{appendices}?
 
@PauloCereda I think I'd "embarulhar as coisas", since then I'll have to do something similar with conclusions and bibliography
 
@MarioS.E. :)
 
1:46 PM
@PauloCereda It actually looks like \part* could be my savior here
@PauloCereda The only part I don't like: I'll have to write \part*{Part I: Theoretical Background}
 
kan
@MarioS.E. Don't. Ever. Hardcode. Things.
 
@kan I know, that's what I don't like
@kan but if I use \part{Theoretical Background} then I get all my chapters subordinated, including the ones I do not want to subordinate, such as conclusions, bibliography and appendix
 
@Mario: you could define a similar macro to \part and set things you want.
!!/texdef -t latex part
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\part:
\long macro:->\if@noskipsec \leavevmode \fi \par \addvspace {4ex}\@afterindentfalse \secdef \@part \@spart
 
kan
To do this rightly, you need to \tracingmacro :)
 
@MarioS.E. Chapters are not really in a part (chapter numbers don't get prefixed by the part number the way section numbers get prefixed by chapter, so there isn't really any end.
 
1:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle I know, but they seem so in the pdf bookmarks
 
@MarioS.E. well complain to Heiko, it'll take him less time to fix than it takes you to complain
13
 
@DavidCarlisle Hahahahahahahahahah I really enjoy this is actually possible
@DavidCarlisle How do I complain? Is he around here?
 
@MarioS.E. sometimes but it's probably better to use whatever contact the hyperref doc says to use
 
@Mario: Beware, Heiko uses arara. :)
 
What do you think is better approach? Trying to set \part* to use the correct number automatically or trying \part to end at a certain point?
 
1:58 PM
@MarioS.E. Is part really necessary? Maybe you could just tweak the TOC to provide the logical separation you want.
 
kan
@MarioS.E. "\part to end at a certain part" does not makes sense, if I understand David rightly.
 
@kan Did you actually understand what I just said?
 
kan
Oh, Wrong Ping. DAMN>
 
See? :)
 
@kan So, how would you keep conclusions (chapter), bibliography (chapter) and appendix (chapter) separate from your last \part?
 
kan
2:00 PM
@PauloCereda Yeah, I did read your comment. But, by the time, I clicked, things have moved on. Apologies.
 
@kan Nah, don't worry. :) I just realized it was a wrong ping afterwards. :)
@cgnieder: we have a GitHub stalker group. :)
Wait a minute! Is Dave Brubeck a TeX user?!?!
I knew that face was familiar!
 
kan
@MarioS.E. Can you make me a minimal example?
I just want to try a couple of things.
 
It's kind of complicated to keep it "minimal" hehehehehe
 
kan
Hey, no just give me a document, with your document class, packages that are relevant, like appendix (?), one call to part, one chapter, then, your end stuff that should not go under any parts.
Even bibliography could be empty. Does not matter, I can make do with a skeleton.
 
\documentclass[a4paper,twoside,11pt,openright]{report}

\usepackage{hyperref}

\include{Intro} \clearemptydoublepage

\include{AnatoPhy}
\clearemptydoublepage
\phantomsection
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Bibliography}
\bibliographystyle{IEEEtranSN}
\bibliography{References}
\appendix\include{Appendix}
Now, all of the files mentioned are \chapter
except, of course, the bibliography and Appendix, which is \chapter*{}
well, is not. It is also \chapter. what I meant is that since it is after \appendix does not have a number
 
kan
2:14 PM
Oh, not this way. I'll put one here. Embellish that with the way you have done things:
 
Please, any native speaker around?
 
kan
\documentclass{report}
\usepackage{appendix}
\begin{document}
\tableofcontents
\part{Theory}
\chapter{Hilbert Spaces}
\part{Practice}
\chapter{Matlab is not very good}
\chapter*{Bibliography}
\appendix
\chapter{Not Main-Text-Worthy!}
\end{document}
Going for dinner. Can work on your MWE if you give one.
 
@kan Nice idea. I'd go with the appendix package and include a intoc entry with Appendices. :)
 
@kan how do you set it so pretty? 4 spaces?
 
2:44 PM
@tohecz Native German at your service.
 
@StephanLehmke native Czech as well ... however, I seek a native English one ... :-/
 
@tohecz English is not my native language, but perhaps I could help?
 
Pages 113--130, 134--137, 142--151, 160--184, 189--222 and 228--253 were not language editted in the Editorial Office.
@MarioS.E. ^^ does is sound good?
 
It is not grammatically incorrect, although it does sound a little weird.
perhaps "Language on pages 113--130, 134--137, 142--151, 160--184, 189--222 and 228--253 was not edited in the Editorial Office"
or "The Editorial Office did not edit the language on pages... "
 
@MarioS.E. sounds good, thanks
 
2:56 PM
@tohecz prosim
 
@MarioS.E. íííííííííííííííííííííííííííííííííííííí !!!!!!! :)
 
@tohecz Sorry, wrong keyboard :P. Does it mean something different without the accent?
 
@MarioS.E. not really, but it' pronounced differently
 
@tohecz That's all the Czech in me, I'll have to learn new stuff next time over there
 
You travel here often?
 
3:03 PM
@tohecz Not really, I have been there just a couple of times. Loved Praha though
 
@MarioS.E. glad to hear that, I love to live here, too :)
 
@tohecz Have you been to Portugal?
 
@MarioS.E. no, not yet
well, gotta go, thanks and bye :)
 
hey guys, I have a noobie question
what is the advantage of having a file splitted over writting the whole thing in the same file?
 
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda @kan I found a solution!!!! it is here: stackoverflow.com/questions/1483396/…
 
3:15 PM
@MarioS.E. It had to come from Will. :)
@MarioS.E.: The second great option would be: don't use hyperref at all. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm using both. Is it OK or is it considered a bad practice?
 
@MarioS.E. Bad practice? Have you ever heard of ABNT? :)
 
@PauloCereda Nope
 
@MarioS.E. In short: it's the standards association in Brazil. Think of a very, very, very awful document style.
 
@PauloCereda Alguma boberia não tolerada?
@PauloCereda so... I should never use them together?
 
3:19 PM
@MarioS.E. Se eu começar a reclamar da ABNT, não acabo nunca. :)
@Sosi It's actually up to you. :)
 
@PauloCereda Howcome we don't have that question (stackoverflow.com/questions/1483396/…) here with us?
 
@MarioS.E. See the date. TeX.sx is newer than that.
 
@Sosi I think it is all about convenience. Sometimes we like having some stuff we always add, like your biography in an article...
@PauloCereda Should we ask it to be migrated? should I ask it myself here?
 
@MarioS.E. No, I don't think so.
 
@PauloCereda and @MarioS.E. thanks. I thought there would be any significant advantage from the coding point of view
 
3:23 PM
@Sosi Damn, now Take five is playing in my head.
:)
 
@PauloCereda hehehe pretty cool huh? :P I also like Blue Rondo a la Turk
 
@Sosi Good call. :)
 
@PauloCereda do you also like jazz?
 
@Sosi A lot. :)
 
@PauloCereda Last question: Is there any preference for loading hyperref and bookmark? which one should go last?
 
3:26 PM
@MarioS.E. Good question. :) I don't use hyperref at all, but I always put it in the last.
 
@PauloCereda you are actually the first person on S.E. recognizing the pic
 
kan
@MarioS.E. About the code, I paste the code and push "Fixed Font" button that appears. (Ctrl + K) works for one liners.
 
@Sosi hahaha When I first saw it, I was like, "It looks like a familiar face". :) But you know, jazz players are more recognized by their style, not their appearance. :)
Unless of course, we are talking about Chick Corea's haircut. :P
 
ahahaha indeed!
 
@PauloCereda @Sosi are you into jazz?
 
3:29 PM
@MarioS.E. Yep! I'm a jazz guitarist actually ;)
 
@MarioS.E. Yep, my band used to play jazz and blues. :)
 
@PauloCereda I have one professor here that lives in France (but he is dutch) that also plays in a jazz band. Their name is something like "Denominação de origem controlada"
 
kan
@MarioS.E. Band's or Professor's?
 
@MarioS.E. :)
 
@kan Band :P. "Denominação de Origem Controlada" means origin-controlled denomination. It's used for wines and cheese and stuff like that
 
kan
3:32 PM
@MarioS.E. Oh, I see. :-)
 
@kan A subtle way of saying they like fancy stuff. :)
@Mario: we had a random band name. Don't make me say it. :)
 
@PauloCereda what do you play?
 
kan
@PauloCereda Wow! Subtlety. :)
 
@Sosi Piano. :)
 
Nice!
 
3:34 PM
@kan ;)
 
@PauloCereda I am a big fan of Hiromi Uehara!
 
@Sosi Me too, that woman is crazy. :)
 
of course, Chick Corea...
 
@percusse went to her concert, I guess. :)
 
Yes! I love her video when she is playing Time Out and jumping like mad
 
3:35 PM
BTW, @percusse is an awesome, very skilled drummer. :)
 
@PauloCereda @Sosi come on, what's the name of your bands...
 
kan
Wow! Innovation at WriteLaTeX! :-)
 
oh! very nice @percusse !
@MarioS.E. unfortunately, I can't say I have a band right now. Only the one at the jazz school, and that doesn't have a name because it belongs to the school
 
@MarioS.E. My band does not exist anymore. We had it a long time ago, but it was an awesome formation. :) The name was Tatu na estrada, something like Armadillo on the road. :)
 
@kan I expect the emacs emulation will be a pale imitation, but the vim emulation will be better than the real thing.
 
3:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
@DavidCarlisle: I have a nice suggestion of an online game for M to play: vim-adventures.com :)
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle I don't know how emacs works. But, given that it is open source, why not just "run" the thing than imitate?
 
@DavidCarlisle Come on David, confess... what did vim did to you when you were a child?
 
@MarioS.E. when I was a child there were no full screen editors:-)
 
kan
I think I run a zoo here!
Now, rats!
 
@kan You gotta be kidding! o.O
 
kan
3:42 PM
RAT IS UNDER MY COT!
off it goes.
Man! I am relieved.
 
@kan a rat like a mouse gone wild?
@kan Like Mickey on steroids and meth?
 
kan
It's gone away!
Man!
I hate this room!
I think I'll just leave this room after this semester.
 
@kan writelatex is a web browser hosted editor isn't it?
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Yes, right.
But, I'd like to show off my ignorance and ask:
I have seen Ruby, Haskell, Python all run on browser. So, isn't it possible to run Lisp, the same way?
 
4:01 PM
@kan really? there is a python interpreter in javascript? It's possible but a lot of work. You'd have to take the C code of the lisp engine and the basic buffer editor code and translate it all to javascript. It's possible (just as someone is translating tex-the-program to javascript (texlive.js) but it would be a vast amount of work for not much gain, whereas making the default keybindings emacs-like is a big gain (for people used to those bindings) for not much work at all.
 
@PauloCereda To quote a friendly bot: “it is certain.” :)
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle About Python in Javascript, I am afraid, I thought this was the case, as there are Sage interacts for the web, which are basically: "Execute Sage Code on Click" and Sage is written mostly in Python. || Oh, isn't there anyway to let a machine run the code?
Sorry to ask questions of this innocuous nature.
 
@PauloCereda Really? He must be liking LaTeX's asynchronous OR :)
 
@kan You can run code on the server and which is how web hosted tex typesetters work, you have some tex on the browser click a button and it runs; pdflatex on some machine and generates a url to the generated pdf. But an editor needs to be on the client ie running in the browser) unless you have unlimited bandwidth and want to pass the state of the editing session back to the server and update the browser display every time teh user touches a key or moves a mouse pointer
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Clearly, I am ignorant of this! Thanks! Clears up a lot! The last line makes me believe it is hopeless.
 
4:39 PM
@kan but writing emacs in javascript is surprisingly likely with things like GWT which can compile big junks of java (like the saxon XSLT engine) although most web based ediors ive seen (like the one on this site) are rather simpler than emacs...
 
kan
Not that I understand, but, I'll look these things up. Thanks for the input in any case.
 
@kan GWT== google web toolkit which compiles java to javascript so it will run in the browser.
 
@alx9r I asked about the closing reasons business in the mod chat room: no news at all :-(
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see. Thanks!
 
5:09 PM
@kan Yesterday monkeys, today rats; tomorrow elephants? ;-)
 
kan
@egreg Now, I'll die!
I am petrified by monkey's to be precise.
 
@kan What about a tiger?
 
kan
@egreg I have never seen one in real life.
But, I might faint.
 
@kan So an elephant be. ;-)
 
kan
I think the following question should be merged with the old one and/or made CW:
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Q: any nice book templates for math-based topics?

kloopI am looking around for nice book templates, and I am quite disappointed. I found similar questions on tex.stackexchange (e.g. Good LaTeX template for book about maths), but the book templates usually offered are either "book", "amsbook" or springers book template. All of them I find rather disa...

the old linked in the question
 
5:28 PM
@kan For me this question is TL. Every user is responsible for the output.
 
Babel 3.9 is in TeX Live/pretest!
 
@egreg I thought babel 3.9 has the status "beta"?
 
@MarcoDaniel Not any more.
 
5:46 PM
@Sosi They played almost the whole Move album. It was great.
 
kan
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Q: Latex Error "undefined in H.S"

Basma SolaimanI downloaded a thesis proposal template. When I compile it no error appears, but to display dvi, I got the following error. So what is the problem and how to fix it? Error: /undefined in H.S Operand stack: --nostringval-- PermitFileReading --nostringval-- PermitFileWriting --nostringv...

People are being two kind: with what little has been given, there is an upvote!
:(
 
@kan Voting is good.
 
i reread the first sentence
"I downloaded a thesis proposal template" is that already a reason to downvote ?
 
kan
@percusse It is! But you must be judicious of what you do.
We don't want random ill-posed questions here.
By contrast, here is a question:
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Q: Indentation in the algorithm package after \Ensure, \Require

efieI have this piece of code: \documentclass[11pt]{article} \usepackage{algorithm} \usepackage{algpseudocode} \usepackage{varwidth} \begin{document} \begin{algorithmic} \Require \begin{varwidth}[t]{\linewidth} A \par AA \end{varwidth...

 
@kan There is no we. There are questions and answers :) Don't start owning it. Before you know it, we have stackoverflow if you are not careful.
 
kan
5:51 PM
which comes from a new user and is VERY well-written.
 
isn't that a simple \vphantom{} issue ?
 
@kan Every new user should be allowed to screw up. I was allowed you were too. So are the new ones.
And it is always helpful to kick them over 11 rep point limit.
 
kan
@percusse I never said that was wrong. I was only unhappy with the upvote. I usually upvote once I know the user has understood the system.
 
@kan Just upvote new users no matter what :) The system is overrated. We have a horde of reviewers and editors. Nobody is running away from them heheh.
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kan
That the question I linked to comes from a new user is not relevant.
Whatever.
 
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