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12:00 AM
@tohecz if that makes you use it ... no seriously I see your point having worked through the 2.09 -> 2e transition which took (or still takes ...
 
Bel
@egreg so from what I understood I need to refer all the rest of equations manually?
 
@FrankMittelbach yeah, this is not so bad because so far we speak about packages, and not about "real LaTeX3"
 
@Bel No, you are redefining the counter in your other file. :)
 
anyways, I really gotta go
 
Bel
ah ok
 
12:01 AM
@Bel No, once you do that setting, the next equation will have number 22 and so on. You just set the counter once.
 
@egreg @Bel or \renewcommand{\theequation}{A\arabic{equation}}
 
@Bel If you know your main file ends with equation 10, go with \setcounter{equation}{11} in the other file, so it will number your equations from 11 on. :)
 
@PauloCereda \setcounter{equation}{10} I believe, it is ++counter, not counter++
 
@egreg: actually, it has to be 10, because it will increment, I suspect. :)
@tohecz Yes, I figured that out. :)
I'm very stoopid today.
!!/answer tell me a joke.
 
@PauloCereda Yes, the counter is incremented just before the number is printed.
 
12:03 AM
good night
 
@tohecz Night! Play well tomorrow.
 
@tohecz Night Tom! :)
 
Bel
Thanks guys :)
it works
 
@tohecz n8 (or whatever the time is at yout location)
 
@bloodworks 01:04
 
12:04 AM
'night guys
 
@FrankMittelbach bye
 
@FrankMittelbach Night Frank! :)
!!/list
Oh my bot is dead. :(
 
@PauloCereda RIP Psmith
 
@tohecz He's alive now. :)
!!/eightball are you alive?
 
@PauloCereda miracle!
 
12:05 AM
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: only egreg knows the answer.
@tohecz :)
!!/answer tell me a joke.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Q: What does an acorn say when it grows up? A: Geometry ("gee, I'm a tree"). :: (according to what passes for mathematical humor (sorry, I only know mathematical jokes), drawn from several sources but primarily from P. Renteln and A. Dundes in their paper "Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor" in Notices of the American Mathematical Society, vol. 52, pp. 24-34, 2005)
Psmith, that was terrible.
 
@egerg \def\equation{$$\refstepcounter{equation}} \def\endequation{\eqno \hbox{\@eqnnum}$$\@ignoretrue}
 
@PauloCereda That's about the worst joke I've ever heard.
 
@AlanMunn I concur. :)
!!/answer tell me a joke.
 
@bloodworks Yes, the counter is stepped at the start of the environment, so that a subsequent \label can pick the right value.
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: 4/3 of people don't understand fractions. :: (according to what passes for mathematical humor (sorry, I only know mathematical jokes), drawn from several sources but primarily from P. Renteln and A. Dundes in their paper "Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor" in Notices of the American Mathematical Society, vol. 52, pp. 24-34, 2005)
 
12:08 AM
Here's a slightly better one:
"I have CDO.
What's that?
OCD in alphabetical order, the way it *should* be."
 
!!/answer will it rain tomorrow?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: rain :: (Sunday, January 6, 2013)
@AlanMunn ooh! :)
Oh no!
 
!!/answer Where are you?
 
@AlanMunn Psmith, the TeX bot: I live on the internet.
 
!!/answer Will it rain in Analândia tomorrow
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: rain :: (Sunday, January 6, 2013)
@egreg Another rainy day. :)
 
12:09 AM
!!/answer Weather in Padova (Italy)
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | 2 °C :: conditions | fog, clear :: relative humidity | 93% (dew point: 1 °C) :: (1 hour 15 minutes ago)
Oh my, it's cold!
 
!!/answer Weather in East Lansing (Michigan)
 
@PauloCereda yippee!!
 
@AlanMunn Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | 1 °C (wind chill: -3 °C) :: conditions | cloudy :: relative humidity | 69% (dew point: -4 °C) :: wind speed | 3.6 m/s :: (1 hour 17 minutes ago)
 
@PauloCereda And very humid. No fog in town, now, but I guess that outside town it's difficult to see more than 100m
 
12:11 AM
@DavidCarlisle <3
I'm so gonna enable !!/david. :)
 
@egreg That could possibly be because the sun is on the wrong side of the planet
 
@DavidCarlisle Don't you have lights on your cars?
 
@egreg With Lego Mindstorm, yes, probably.
 
!!/answer What is Lego?
 
@PauloCereda here's some seed data for the quote database
 
12:13 AM
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: name | LEGO Juris A/S :: location | Billund, Ribe, Denmark
@DavidCarlisle <3
Not the Lego I was expecting. :)
!!/answer Why did the chicken cross the road?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: To get to the other side. :: (ha, ha)
 
leo
(ha ha) :D
cool!
 
Best part. :)
!!/choose Lego, MathML, TeX, packages
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: TeX
 
/me checking out n8@all
 
@bloodworks Good night! :)
 
leo
@bloodworks nite
 
12:20 AM
Eh! I'm on top of week ranking! :-)
Not for much time...
 
Good night all!
 
@egreg Good night. It is "Three Wise Men"s night now, in Spain. Magic night.
:"Three Kings", or "Three Wise Men", redirects here. For other uses, see Three Kings (disambiguation) and Wise men. The Magi ( or ; Greek: μάγοι, magoi), also referred to as the (Three) Wise Men, (Three) Kings, or Kings from the East, were, according to Christianity, a group of distinguished foreigners who visited Jesus after his birth, bearing gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. They are regular figures in traditional accounts of the nativity celebrations of Christmas and are an important part of the Christian tradition. The Gospel of Matthew, the only one of the four Canonical gos...
They are our local version of Santa Claus
 
@JLDiaz Christmas present for you:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
Max
1:20 AM
awkward, should have seen that tag
 
 
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4:54 AM
This package isn't loading - is there a reason it's not in Tex Live?: ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/schedule
 
5:48 AM
@Gnintendo Did you try installing it via .dtx. And it's from 1997 it might have become obsolete over the years though a lot of packages from that time are still quite functional. Hence, it's only a possibility.
 
@JLDiaz In Germany they come as "Sternsinger" collecting money for charity purposes. Performed by children. Two of my kids were walking yesterday (my oldest daughter would also have gone, but she hurt her foot).
 
@Gnintendo The reason it's not part of TeXLive is because it has no explicit licence, and so TeXLive assumes it's not free software. MikTeX has less fussy licensing requirements which is why it's part of MikTeX. But as @percusse says, it's very old now.
 
6:04 AM
I'm getting strange output:
 
@StephanLehmke That is weird. Decreasing and then a big jump, decreasing again...
I know that SE has a way of measure the "hotness" of a question. See hot questions...
But that would be a far stretch to find some correlation.
 
@Werner Yes, I looked for other attributes, but there seems to be nothing significant (like age) which could explain the strange order.
Probably people broke the database index by closing too many questions...
 
@StephanLehmke Exactly. I couldn't help, but I share your question mark.
@StephanLehmke He he.
Did you still want to answer them?
 
6:19 AM
@Werner Yes I'm working on the one with 28 upvotes, but it used to be right up front.
Had a shock someone might have got there first ;-)
 
 
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8:10 AM
What is !!/answer?
 
@AdorableCreature You should read the post on Meta: Psmith, the friendly TeX bot, at your service.
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Q: Psmith, the friendly TeX bot, at your service

Paulo CeredaPrologue We love hanging out in our main chatroom. It's a very friendly place, where we talk about virtually everything - even TeX, sometimes! I decided to give it a try and add a few "extra features" to our chatroom, and the result is presented in this meta thread. I was planning to implement ...

 
8:38 AM
@Werner ... which doesn't list !!/answer...
!!/answer will query Wolfram Alpha.
 
8:50 AM
@StephanLehmke You want !!/help to get info, I think, but as @PauloCereda is not about that won't work
 
9:00 AM
@JosephWright Hello! :)
 
@PauloCereda Morning
 
@JosephWright Morning! :) I'm late.
@Werner !!/answer is not listed there because it was/is experimental. :) On the other hand, I decided to disable !!/question because I need to add a better AI engine. :)
 
9:13 AM
@PauloCereda You can edit meta questions you know ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke I'll wait a little more. :)
 
0
Q: What is the procedure to start a national TeX User Group?

Adorable CreatureShortly speaking, what is the procedure we have to follow to start or build a local, national-wide TeX User Group? How do we manage it financially, etc, etc? You can elaborate the details as deep as you can.

Not sure where this might be really on-topic: thoughts?
 
@JosephWright Personally, I think it's off-topic. I once asked Karl about these "steps" and they are actually quite simple. :)
 
@PauloCereda Set something up, e-mail him with names?
 
@JosephWright Yes, pretty much it. You need to set something up, the organization is basically up to you, gather some users, and start "business". :)
 
 
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10:33 AM
yeh I'm an unsung hero!
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@DavidCarlisle Cool
 
@JosephWright I was a bit shocked when I saw the notification because I thought it was for here, but it's at SO :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, right
 
@JosephWright those answer-the-unanswered sessions make it hard to get unsung hero here:-)
 
10:53 AM
@DavidCarlisle That's the plan!
 
11:21 AM
@DavidCarlisle You can also avoid to define a new macro: \expandafter\read\expandafter\myread\detokenize{to}\myinput ;-)
 
11:32 AM
@egreg Hmm not sure that's much clearer:-)
 
11:44 AM
Lo :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Morning
Anyone planning to go to TUG2013?
(I know @FrankMittelbach is)
 
@JosephWright No, I can't make it :-(
 
@NicolaTalbot Probably the same for me
 
@JosephWright tempting, never been to Japan, but I doubt it
 
@DavidCarlisle Also the same as my take ;-)
Maybe I should get UK-TUG to offer to hold it in 2015!
 
11:48 AM
@JosephWright That would be great :-)
Talking about UK-TUG @JosephWright can I send you the subs via internal mail?
 
@NicolaTalbot Yes, fine
 
@Werner btw, it's back to normal again :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Would certainly be exciting, but I'd need to be sure the rest of the committee would be happy
 
@JosephWright Thanks.
@JosephWright I'll have to make sure I can make the next AGM.
 
@NicolaTalbot I'm already planning for that: it works much better if the date is fixed a long way in advance
@NicolaTalbot There was talk of looking for a venue in Cambridge, but at least one of the 'regulars' can't do that for geographical reasons so I might just book Oxford again
@NicolaTalbot of course, technically this is down to the Chair, but as he lives in Oxford ...
 
11:53 AM
@JosephWright That's a shame. Cambridge is much easier to get to than Oxford, but then I've never been to Oxford, so maybe that will expand my horizons :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Cambridge would be better for Robin and me, too, hence suggesting it. I'll give it some thought: we do have a number of members in that area.
@NicolaTalbot One benefit of Oxford is we now know the venue pretty well, and they do food :-)
 
@JosephWright Food is always a plus :-)
 
I'll probably raise it with the committee soon-ish, but will get through the renewals first
 
I've bought a folding bike, so maybe I'll bike, bus, train it :-)
 
can be closed as TL I think:
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Q: kvmacros package - drawing Karnaugh maps

jafanI needed to draw Karnaugh maps, and for this purpose I have used the package kvmacros. This package is part of the MiKTeX. However, I have problems with the following macros: \def\kvargumentstring#1{\gdef\kvdummystring{#1{}\noexpand\end}} compiler warning: No argument following \end code line...

 
11:57 AM
@DavidCarlisle Done
 
12:13 PM
@JosephWright Depends on dandelion and my new car. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot It's easier to get to Oxford than Cambridge from here.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
12:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle Are you in Oxford?
 
@NicolaTalbot work is, I'm in middle of nowhere, but going by bus to Cambridge would probably involve driving to Oxford and getting the X5...
 
12:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle Being in the middle of nowhere is nice but not so convenient for travel :-) I could bike over to the next village, catch a bus up the A140 to Norwich and go to Oxford via London, but it looks like the train journey will take between 4 1/2 to 5 hours according to National Rail enquiries. @JosephWright do you travel there and back to the AGM in a day?
 
@NicolaTalbot No, I go from my parents near Northampton
 
@JosephWright Okay. I could maybe see if my brother could put me up overnight in London.
 
@NicolaTalbot I have to see what the committee as a whole fancy, yet
 
@JosephWright Okay.
 
1:30 PM
A little brain teaser I found:
I couldn't express the series behind it yet, but had no problem coding it with LaTeX ;-)
\documentclass[convert,math]{standalone}

\newcount\mycount

\mycount=10

\def\myf{%
    \ifnum\mycount=0
       \cdots
    \else
        \advance\mycount by -1
        1 + \frac{1}{ \myf }
    \fi
}

\begin{document}
\begin{math}
    \myf
\end{math}
\end{document}
 
@MartinScharrer Solve the equation x = 1 + 1/x
 
@egreg Yes. I thought it is as simple as that. I had 1 + 1/x already on paper but didn't got that this much equal to x.
 
@MartinScharrer If you load amsmath and use \cfrac instead of \frac the output is better. A periodic infinite continued fraction is always the (unique) positive root of a degree two polynomial.
And conversely: any (positive) algebraic number of degree two over the rationals is expressible as a periodic continued fraction.
Exercise: find the continued fraction representation of \sqrt{2}
 
1:46 PM
@egreg Thanks, it looks indeed better when all the fraction line end at the same line.
@egreg Interresting!
 
@MartinScharrer The procedure is simple: you find the "floor" b of the number a, and repeat the procedure on 1/(a-b)
With a rational number you're exactly computing the greatest common divisor with Euclid's algorithm
The first proof of the irrationality of pi used continued fractions (Lambert, IIRC).
 
2:01 PM
@egreg: Thanks!
 
2:16 PM
@egreg: That was originally an engineering teaser by Texas Instruments: e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/thesignal/archive/2012/12/24/…
 
2:59 PM
@egreg yeah, tell me that (was part of my state exams in NT)
 
3:16 PM
Jake's comment seems to be a valid solution but OP didn't feel like it. However I don't know if anything else is possible. As it is, it looks like a feature request:
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Q: howto include VCD as a waveform not as text

Rasmusdoes anyone know of a packet or plugin that can convert a VCD dump to a nice waveform in latex? ex the tikz type

 
@percusse Yes, I'd agree
 
@JosephWright I don't remember our policy on them. We leave it open?
 
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Q: Questions which are feature requests

Joseph WrightFrom time to time we get questions which seem to be feature requests for specific packages, editors and so on. In some cases the appropriate authors are active on the site and may report back that they have added the feature (for example, I do this sometimes for siunitx). On the other hand, many...

 
Guys, I'm thinking of screen recording the next section, create a time-lapse video to demonstrate how our sessions work, and publish a blog post. Thoughts?
 
@percusse More-or-less an out-and-out feature request, so I'm minded to go with NARQ
 
3:27 PM
@JosephWright OK I'll give a close vote.
@PauloCereda Answer the unanswered session?
 
@percusse Yes. :)
 
@PauloCereda ooh sweet but challenging to keep up with :)
 
Linguistic trivia fact for the day: In Carrier (a language spoken in central British Columbia (Canada)) the word for 'bird' is the same as the word for 'duck'. @PauloCereda needs to start learning this language immediately.
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@AlanMunn OMG <3
Is it true that Canadians say 'eh'?
 
3:35 PM
@AlanMunn ooh!
 
Some article titles are just fun
 
@percusse LOL
Epic title is epic.
 
@PauloCereda hehehe
 
@percusse: stalker bot FTW.
 
3:45 PM
Good afternoon!
 
@unNaturhal Good day, sir! :)
 
Haloa @PauloCereda :)
 
4:15 PM
@PauloCereda Not really a good day. :(
 
@egreg True. :(
 
Something up?
 
@JosephWright Sampdoria won the game against Juve.
 
@PauloCereda Were they playing football today? I must've missed that. ;-)
 
@egreg :)
 
4:19 PM
@egreg You are "Juventino"!? O_O
 
!!/cricket
 
@unNaturhal So it happens.
 
@egreg Oh God... che amarezza :(
 
@AlanMunn Hold on. :)
Sometimes I close my browser by accident. :)
!!/cricket
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Dolphins 163/10 &  155/10 * v Lions 248/10 &  322/4
- India A 224/4  v England XI 175/10 *
- Jharkhand 195/3 * v Punjab
- Saurashtra 272/5 * v Karnataka
- Mumbai 272/3 * v Baroda
- Services 154/5 * v Uttar Pradesh 134/10
- India 167/10  v Pakistan 157/10 *
- KwaZulu-Natal Inland 202/10  v Boland 206/7 *
- Gauteng 128/10  v Griqualand West 130/3 *
- Namibia 176/10  v North West 93/10 *
- Mashonaland Eagles 149/6  v Mid West Rhinos 103/9 *
 
!!/hockey
 
4:21 PM
@AlanMunn Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command hockey does not exist.
 
@egreg Ti stimo comunque anche se sei Juventino :) (sorry for the italian digression..)
 
@PauloCereda Of course there would have been no scores to report anyway. But the season is finally starting. cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/01/06/…
 
@AlanMunn Go hockey!
 
@AlanMunn I was thinking of hockey proper: you confused me :-)
 
@JosephWright In the grass?
 
4:25 PM
@PauloCereda Well, the hockey people have decided it has to be on Astroturf (and not the same one as can be used for, for example, football), but broadly yes
 
@JosephWright Oh.
If Las Leonas are playing, call me. :)
 
@JosephWright Calling field hockey 'hockey proper' sounds so wrong to a Canadian.
 
@AlanMunn Eh.
Or Bah tchê. :)
 
@AlanMunn :-)
@PauloCereda Luckily one can still play shinty on grass
 
@PauloCereda I was just typing that. You beat me to it.
 
4:27 PM
@AlanMunn I still need to hear your Portuguese. Let's see if you have a south accent. :)
 
@AlanMunn I've never played either form, so have very little real opinion (at my school, only girls played hockey)
 
@JosephWright That's how hockey should be. :)
 
:( please, could someone help me? Why this: puu.sh/1KmY1 is aligned so badly?
 
@PauloCereda Perhaps: we had to do rugby, and that involves getting covered in mud. Not my favourite activity.
@unNaturhal In what way?
 
@JosephWright Ice hockey is very hard. It's a lot harder than it looks. I never really played it, although I played a lot of street hockey as a kid. (Even lost a tooth that way.)
 
4:30 PM
@JosephWright Cool! :)
 
@unNaturhal Probably you forgot a \centering somewhere before out in the open.
 
@AlanMunn I played a lot of street football (think of the Fifa Street game). :)
 
@unNaturhal probably because the input is wrong (but hard to know:-) missing % at end of lines and other things...
 
@PauloCereda It is likely to improve this semester: the teenage daughter of a friend of ours from PoA is coming to spend a semester with us as an exchange student.
 
@JosephWright Ehm.. the rest of my text is perfectly aligned, but this seems have been cut by Chef Tony ._.
@percusse Mmmmh.. \centering command needs brackets?
@DavidCarlisle %? Percent was used for comment.. right?
 
4:33 PM
@unNaturhal it needs some way of stopping, unless you want the whole doc cetred
 
@AlanMunn How nice. :) I once visited Santa Catarina and I fell in love with the accent. One of the most beautiful accents of Brazilian Portuguese.
 
@AlanMunn Well it looks impossible, so ...
 
Mine is of course one of the funniest. :P
 
@DavidCarlisle And how I can stop it..?
 
@unNaturhal It needs to be used inside figure environments etc. where it's effect is limited to that scope. If you leave it in the text it centers the whole thing. Ah too late what David says.
 
4:34 PM
@unNaturhal ah well I thought the middle section was offset by a space, but perhaps not perhaps it's all just centred
@unNaturhal you can go {\centering stuff \par} or more simply \begin{center} stuff \end{center} but the latter adds some vertical space or as percusse just said, use it in some other environment, teh scope rules are just same as \bfseries
 
@JosephWright Have you ever skated?
 
@DavidCarlisle This means that \centering{stuff} is wrong?
 
@AlanMunn Yes, but never regularly
 
@unNaturhal It's not an error, but it doesn't do what you want:-)
 
@unNaturhal As wrong as \it{stuff} ;-)
 
4:37 PM
@unNaturhal It is like going \bfseries{stuff} which would make the whole document bold
 
@JosephWright Although hockey skates and technique are a bit different from figure skating. There's no pick on the skate and the pushing action is much more lateral.
 
@StephanLehmke Oh.. sorry again...
 
@AlanMunn I can manage 'round in a circle' and very occasionally attempt 'backward': never really succeeded with that!
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, I tried {\centering stuff} and seems to work, but something strange is happened.. puu.sh/1Kn9x the first line overflows the "imaginary line that stops the text"
 
@unNaturhal make sure there is a \par or blank line before the } or bad things will happen
 
4:41 PM
@unNaturhal that's a problem of hyphenation, what is the code for that paragraph?
 
@DavidCarlisle Got it.. but nothing's changed..
 
@AlanMunn And, of course, figure skaters tend to avoid crashing into each other, which spoils the fun.
 
@unNaturhal whatever markup you used for the italic word prevented hyphenation so tex had no way to break the line (this would be much easier as a question on site where you posted the actual document)
 
Bazooka hockey would be a nice sport too.
 
\section{Descizione}
Il passaggio dalla schematizzazione concettuale (che rappresenta l'\emph{astrazione}) a quella logica (che invece rappresenta l'\emph{implementazione}) è cruciale nella progettazione di un database. Questo perché lo schema logico è ciò che verrà effettivamente sviluppato, magari con qualche piccolo accorgimento, in codice.

In questa fase, sono state aggiunte le chiavi primarie e risolte le relazioni di ereditarietà (tra la superclasse \texttt{Artist} e le sottoclassi \texttt{Singer} e \texttt{Band}). Per quanto riguarda le \emph{chiavi primarie}, sono stati aggiunti de
 
4:43 PM
@unNaturhal The last paragraph in {\centering stuff} without the \par would not be centered as the } ends the centering before the paragraph encds.
(That isn't a full document or on site:-) but try astra\-zione
 
@egreg But when they do it can be really bad: youtube.com/watch?v=dXQp59eGo7k
 
@DavidCarlisle I was warned by moderators on other sites of this network that a post should treat about only one thing, and not be a discussion..
 
@unNaturhal I think @DavidCarlisle's point is that a question on this wouldn't be a discussion: with an example we'd soon be able to give a good answer
 
@unNaturhal yes but you could post that para and ask whu it doesn't wrap. It's the l' which stops hyphenation, most babel language options have some markup that re-enables hyphenation in such constructs but not reallly my area:-)
 
@unNaturhal An example: abc def {\centering ghi} jkl will result in nothing different from abc def ghi jkl because the settings of \centering end with the group. On the other hand abc def {\centering ghi\par} jkl will produce a perhaps funny result. If you want to center a part of a paragraph, use \begin{center}...\end{center}
 
4:46 PM
@unNaturhal Also, each site has a slightly different culture: we are somewhat more flexible than say the main StackOverflow people
 
@DavidCarlisle With \usepackage[italian]{babel} the l' bit doesn't cause harms.
 
@unNaturhal You can think of \centering as clicking the center button in word. If you just click and continue typing it will always keep centering unless you click something again. So extra braces act like selecting a text and clicking the center button. However if your text continues just after the selected part Word will discard the selection and make the remaining centered too. So \par is making sure that selection is local though my analogy breaks down on that issue.
I might be tortured with my analogy to describe TeX :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Maybe is not your area, but astra\-zione works :)
 
@unNaturhal It's a well known problem: if there's a font change, the word is not hyphenated and LaTeX sees "l'astrazione" as a single word. For these cases, just say l'\emph{\allowhyphens astrazione}. They shouldn't be so frequent.
 
@DavidCarlisle what is the ngerman shorthand for "not allow hyphenation here but allow it elsewhere in the word"?
 
4:50 PM
@egreg Oh no, I'm not centering text... the \centering command is in the code that I used to drew the tikzpicture.. is out of the \tikzpicture command, in both images of my document (I haven't added it, until now I ignored the means of that command)..
 
@percusse No one expects the Spanish Inquisition. :)
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@unNaturhal But I'd prefer trying a different wording, so the emphasized word is not split.
 
@percusse So \par stops all formatting command before of a }?
 
@AlanMunn The comfy chair! :)
 
@egreg The command \allowhyphens gives a compiling error.. "Undefined control sequence"
 
4:56 PM
@unNaturhal Are you saying \usepackage[italian]{babel}?
 
@egreg Nope..
 
@egreg good question. Otherwise: \providecommand\allowhyphens{\nobreak\hskip0pt\relax}
 
@AlanMunn Element of surprise.
 
@unNaturhal No but a paragraph is set with the settings current at the end of the paragraph so if you end centering with } then end the paragraph the centering does nothing.
 
@unNaturhal Well, do it! As soon as possible.
@unNaturhal You'll see that you don't need anything special to get "l'astra-zione", because suftesi takes precautions against that problem.
 
4:58 PM
@egreg I just got it.. but "astrazione" is still unhyphened (sorry)
 
@unNaturhal This is what @egreg and @DavidCarlisle mentioned in their comments.
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
abc def {\centering ghi\par} jkl

abc def

{\centering ghi\par} jkl
\end{document}
 
@unNaturhal this concerning the issue we discuss with @egreg
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[ngerman,italian]{babel}
\useshorthands{"}
\makeatletter
\declare@shorthand{ngerman}{"+}{\nobreak\hskip0pt\relax}
\makeatother
\addto\extrasitalian{\languageshorthands{ngerman}}

\begin{document}

\large

\section{Descizione}
Il passaggio dalla schematizzazione concettuale (che rappresenta l'\emph{astrazione}) a quella logica (che invece rappresenta l'\emph{"+implementazione}) è cruciale nella progettazione di un database. Questo perché lo schema logico è ciò che verrà effettivamente sviluppato, magari con qualche piccolo accorgimento, in codice.
 
@unNaturhal Then insert \allowhyphens
 
What is the way to cut a string from the right side in plain TeX without knowing the length of the string in advance?
 
@tohecz Too complicated, IMO. Just wait till the document is in final form and then decide what to do in the few cases where the problem happens
 
5:01 PM
@egreg yes, I know. But I believe this shorthand would be useful
 
@PenguinNurse Simple character tokens?
 
@PenguinNurse String does not really mean much in TeX
 
Yes, simple character tokens. Sorry for that.
 
@percusse Thanks for the clear example :)
 
@PenguinNurse You can reverse the string, cut the first tokens and reverse the result. But probably the easiest method is to count the length.
 
5:03 PM
@tohecz Thanks but I can't figure what your code stands for.. I never seen that commands before..
@egreg \allowhyphens is still there..
 
@unNaturhal I recommend you to open the babel manual on the section "Shorthands"
 
@unNaturhal This breaks without any problem:
\documentclass{suftesi}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[italian]{babel}
\begin{document}
\section{Descrizione}

Il passaggio dalla schematizzazione concettuale (che rappresenta l'\emph{astrazione}) a quella logica
(che invece rappresenta l'\emph{implementazione}) è cruciale nella progettazione di un database. Questo perché lo
schema logico è ciò che verrà effettivamente sviluppato, magari con qualche piccolo accorgimento, in codice.

In questa fase, sono state aggiunte le chiavi primarie e risolte le relazioni di ereditarietà (tra la superclasse
 
@egreg I added also \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}, but it still doesn't work..
 
@egreg Thanks. Reversing the string might not be too bad for removing just two or three characters from long strings.
 
@Clemens: Hi Clemens! You are an OpenSUSE user, right? :)
 
5:09 PM
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo! most of the time
 
@Clemens I'm setting a new system for a friend, and she asked for OpenSUSE. I already installed everything. Do you recommend any post install stuff or should I leave as it is?
 
@unNaturhal I can't tell more without a minimal example.
 
@PauloCereda I'd add the packman repositories which have many useful software
 
@Clemens Ah thanks. :)
 
I always also install the win32 codecs so I'm not sure how the media front is nowadays without them
 
5:14 PM
hehe
 
Why do I have a different name here than on the main site?
 
@Clemens Here you're appearing from german.sx
 
@Clemens chat uses your main name:
 
@egreg pastebin.com/CK1hHzDd I hope this could help. I just removed the part of the document before the section that has problems..
 
Interesting. I don't think I set that anywhere explicitly...
 
5:17 PM
Ich sprache kein Deutsche. :(
 
@Clemens strange, the network username is cgnieder:
 
@Clemens It's possible to pick the 'parent' user for chat, or at least it's possible for me to alter it!
 
@unNaturhal Here's what I get
 
One more question: How can I match two whitespaces with the argument of a macro when reading in the whitespaces with catcode 12? What kind of char is whitespace in this case?
 
@unNaturhal Are you sure you have the last version of suftesi?
 
5:19 PM
@JosephWright Where can I do that?
 
@egreg So, my TeXworks is a dumbass..
 
Eek, there's emacs but no vim. I need to fix that.
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@unNaturhal TeXworks has nothing to do with this.
 
Ah, just found it
 
@egreg I have the version that was packed in TeXworks when I download it (about.. one or two months ago..)
 
5:21 PM
@unNaturhal TeXworks packs nothing. You installed TeX Live, probably. What OS?
 
@egreg Yeah texlive sorry.. Windows7
 
Beware, sometimes TeXworks is using a different path priority to look for TeX tools. :)
 
@unNaturhal Look at the start of your .log file; there should be a line such as Document Class: suftesi 2012/10/24 v1.2 A class for typesetting theses, books and articles
 
I saw during a package update: libcanberra. Now, Aussies. :)
 
Did anyone reveal their identity to the original authors in a reviewing procedure?
 
5:22 PM
@cgnieder Try clicking on your name in the sidebar here and choosing 'user profile'
 
@unNaturhal You should fire up tlmgr, probably, and update your distribution
 
@JosephWright Thanks! Found it in the meantime...
 
There is: "(c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/latex/suftesi/suftesi.cls
Document Class: suftesi 2012/10/14 v1.0 A class for typesetting theses, books a
nd articles"
 
@percusse Not here: if I had a reason to I'd contact the editorial office
 
@unNaturhal 10 days outdated
 
5:23 PM
@unNaturhal What I said.
However, even with that version, adding \allowhyphens should work.
 
@JosephWright Actually the authors proposed it. I've supplied a proof for something that was missing. But I'm not so motivated to do so.
 
@PauloCereda sounds like you have nothing to fix
 
@percusse In my area, we occasionally see 'we thank a reviewer' notes
 
@JosephWright I think usually an acknowledgement would be sufficient. Ah yes
 
@PenguinNurse You have to have at hand some space of category 12. Can you be more specific?
 
5:30 PM
@egreg Well, I change catcode by \catcode `\ =12 and read in a file. This doesn't match with the macro's arguments.
 
@PenguinNurse I think we need a small demo!
 
@PenguinNurse \if\space<token> will be true if <token> is a space character of category 12.
 
And after correcting twice my hermitian matrix ended up in the printed version
thank you IEEE
 
So a minimal input file would contain a line like
 
@percusse <borat's voice> NIIIICE! </borat's voice>
 
5:48 PM
@egreg Sorry, input file: a b; The TeX Code looks basically like this (how can I write multiline code here?): \def\match#1 #2\par{<#1>\par} \newread\myread \openin\myread=myfile.txt \catcode \ =12 \read\myread to \myinput \expandafter\match\myinput
 
5:59 PM
@PenguinNurse Multiple lines are Shift+Enter, then you need four spaces indent as on the main site for fixed-width text
 
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