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12:06 AM
hi guys :)
 
@cmhughes: Fantastic answer on the accessibility question. :)
@cmhughes oops, hi Chris! :)
 
@PauloCereda thanks :) I'm really into accessibility at the moment, working with another faculty member trying to find as much info as possible- very challenging, but rewarding too :)
 
@cmhughes How nice! :)
 
@PauloCereda it's fun :) how are you? ;)
 
@cmhughes: you know, this subject would be great for a blog post. :) wink wink :)
@cmhughes Fine, thanks. :) And you? :)
 
12:09 AM
@PauloCereda I'd be very happy to blog about it- we're 'finishing' the project at Christmas, so I'd be happy to write something in the new year. I'm well thanks :)
@PauloCereda I had my socks knocked off by this: dl.dropbox.com/u/26634270/www/slides/boilerplate/…
it's a slideshow in html/js/css- a contender for beamer?....
 
@cmhughes Very nice. :)
@cmhughes Yay, that would be great! :)
 
@PauloCereda so when is your interview then? :)
 
@cmhughes Probably next year, after arara 3.0. :)
 
@PauloCereda why so long? :)
 
@cmhughes Why so short? :)
 
12:13 AM
@PauloCereda lol
 
@cmhughes Yours will be first, I can assure you that. :D
 
@PauloCereda lol. we want to know more about you! :)
 
@cmhughes ooh. :)
@cmhughes: but we want to know more about you too, so you'll be first. :)
 
@PauloCereda lol :)
 
We can always interview @DavidCarlisle. :)
I wish I could lure @David to sign a TeX book of mine. :)
 
12:20 AM
@PauloCereda that would be sweet :)
 
@cmhughes If I ever attend a TUG conference, I thought of getting one copy of the TeXbook or the Companion and ask all the TeXnicians to sign it, then we could start a contest in our community; the winner would win the book. :)
 
@PauloCereda great idea; it's on my bucket list to attend a TUG conference. I do worry that I would be a bit star-struck being surrounded by the heros of the TeX world though
 
@cmhughes :)
 
 
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3:17 AM
@GonzaloMedina: You should post your answer (tex.stackexchange.com/a/76390/5764) at tex.stackexchange.com/q/3169/5764. It may be sufficiently different from the rest to be of benefit.
 
 
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4:25 AM
@cmhughes The only TUG conference I ever went to was the one in Hawai'i. I couldn't afford to stay any longer than the conference actually was, so I spent a felt 90% of my wake time in Hawai'i in an air conditioned conference room. At night, I even was developing on the ERCO solution in my room because we were really tight in the schedule :-( And jet lag on top of that. On hindsight, it was the most absurd thing I ever did in my life by far. But the conference was absolutely great!
In fact, I wouldn't miss it for anything. An unforgettable experience for sure ;-)
The only time I ever met Knuth was on the EuroTeX conference in Pont a Mousson though. And Hermann Zapf on top of that. Also unforgettable (especially the food :-)
 
 
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6:29 AM
@topskip Found you ;-)
 
6:53 AM
Last day at the EuroTeX :( Today, lot's of languages talk: Yamamoto Munehiro "TEX Typesetting Circumstances for Japanese Publishing", Kitagawa Hironori: "Japanese Typesetting with LuaTEX", Hans Hagen "Tricks with the parbuilder (Arabic typesetting)" and Ivo Geradts and Kai Eigner "Typesetting Sanskrit with LuaTEX"
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@topskip Sounds good
 
The afternoon is interesting as well: Hans Hagen "mixed columns", Tomás Hála: "Differences in typesetting rules between Czech and Slo- vak languages (in the context of ConTEXt)"
and Jean-Michel Hufflen "MlBibtex"
 
 
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7:59 AM
great & interesting talk on japanese typesetting on #eurotex12!
the best talk so far (after mine, of course)
:)
 
8:41 AM
Duplicated, based on OP's comment.
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Q: Escape hash symbol (#) in inner macro definition

buergiI'm quite sure this question has been asked many times but I can't find the answer. I'd like to make a macro defining a new macro but I can't get the arguments working. How do I escape the parameter place-holders e.g. #1 for the inner command? Here is an absolutely senseless minimal example: \d...

 
9:14 AM
@Paulo I am now on Linux, Ubuntu Unity Desktop. :)
One of my friends here help me set it up. :)
 
@KannappanSampath How nice, welcome to the penguin world. :)
Hope you like your stay. :)
 
@PauloCereda Indeed, I got rid of Windows completely. The only OS I now have access to is Linux. :)
sudo apt-get install texlive-full
took two or three hours. :)
 
I'd prefer an official TL install, but it also works. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hmm, can you please tell me how do these two things differ?
 
@KannappanSampath Don't get scared, please. :)
 
9:21 AM
I have been scared by what command line can do... how awesome! :)
 
For an app to be available for install in the apt-get stuff (as well as yum, zypper, pacman, etc), there's an effort from the community to pack this app, that is, compile it and make it available to your system format (Ubuntu/Debian: .deb, Fedora/RH/Suse: .rpm, Slackware: .tgz, etc). That's what happens with TL. >>>
Since TL was provided via apt-get, this package manager knows what your TL distro has, and in order to avoid getting stuff installed without its consent, it's the only "door" for you to update your TL. So you don't have tlmgr.
Packages will be updated according to the community's good will to keep stuff updated. :)
 
Oh, I see. But, this sounds slightly bad... given that I have read some answers that use tlmgr...
(Sorry about the late reply, I was working on another tab.)
 
9:38 AM
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Q: tlmgr with Ubuntu TexLive

abhinavkulkarniI installed TexLive through Software Center of Ubuntu. However it does not contain tlmgr which is quite useful to update the packages. Is it possible to use tlmgr with default TexLive? If yes, how can I only install tlmgr (without installing TexLive 2011)? I ran install.pl script in the download...

 
@KannappanSampath I have TL installed via apt, because it has a lot of dependencies (for instance AUC-TeX mode for emacs), but am using a TL version installed independently via tlmgr. I simply set the PATH to access it. TL is very good at working locally from its own tree, so there is no need for fancy links in bin or whatever.
 
@AndrewStacey Thank you, Andrew, for that link.
@StephanLehmke I don't quite understand. So, firstly, isn't what you say contradicting Andrew's link directly?
"but you can't mix both." -- Sorry... please forgive my ignorance. I am trying to learn.
I should be right back in a few minutes...
 
@KannappanSampath I'm not a system expert, but I don't think it does. I'm not mixing both and I'm not using the system version at all. I just have it installed so that apt is satisfied that I have TL and lets me install auctex. disk space is cheap, so I don't see the need for a dummy package ;-)
 
@KannappanSampath Actually, there's no contradiction. :) What Stephan said is to have both. As long as you don't mix them, they can coexist. :)
 
@KannappanSampath See my answer at tex.stackexchange.com/a/1110/86
 
9:50 AM
@StephanLehmke Hmm. Sorry for the confusion. I had not read carefully enough. :)
OK. I'll try and understand how these things work a little while from now... :) Thank you friends for the support. :)
 
10:08 AM
@egreg: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/76388 I suspect ~/翻译 is the one to blame. I tried with Snow Leopard + TL2011: with that folder name, I get the very same error. With a Latin-1 folder name, it works.
 
 
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11:14 AM
Holiday today! :)
 
11:53 AM
@StephanLehmke Yes, but this is IMHO about people asking good questions...
 
12:10 PM
Yay @topskip is back! <3
 
12:34 PM
@esteis is sitting next to me :) He's the most awesome ConTeXT wiki gardener and even got a personalized drawing from Duane Bibby
 
@topskip Yay! :)
 
@PauloCereda .. and got awarded "ConTeXter of the year"
 
@tohecz Since the probability of 100% agreement here is ... almost surely nil, how about someone adds a new answer to meta.tex.stackexchange.com/q/228/86 explaining that MWEs can also help with the wider impact of a question? Or another text block that suggests putting in a MWE but with a different slant (after all, the point of the blocks is that they provide a minimum level of politeness, so if they are failing in that then adding an alternative could help).
 
@PauloCereda I too have that suspect. But the activities with /private/var scare me.
 
12:49 PM
@egreg Indeed. It's dangerous to play there. :(
I asked the OP for some info about the environment - shell, OS version, MacTeX version.
 
@PauloCereda Sorry for the delay: I had a long lecture and came back home. Now I can relax.
 
@egreg hehe don't worry. :)
 
@PauloCereda And next Friday I'll have a lecture also in the afternoon: morning in one part of the town, afternoon at the other side.
 
1:13 PM
@TikZers. I just found a command in tikz.code.tex that I've been wanting for a while (and been defining workarounds due to its lack). I'm now curious as to how long it's been there (and partly can't be bothered to search the CVS and partly want to bring it to others' attention). Do grep againpath $(kpsewhich tikz.code.tex) for me and report success or failure and TikZ version.
 
@AndrewStacey svn has svn blame for this kind of thing. Don't know about other VCS though.
@AndrewStacey +1 very good idea.
 
I have the same answers going back to TeX Live 2010; the version is v 1.76 2010/10/13 09:20:31 ludewich
 
@StephanLehmke it's called cvs annotate in cvs
 
@StephanLehmke As in, "who do I blame for this change"? I like it. Though my second reason is my excuse. It looks like a very, very useful command and I expect I'll use it a lot (since I've been in effect using it for ages). But with bleeding edge PGF one always has to worry about whether others are stuck in the dark ages of TL2007
 
@AndrewStacey That's still the current version of the file.
 
1:18 PM
@AndrewStacey @StephanLehmke is clearly a hard taskmaster I always use svn praise for my group:-)
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@egreg Yes, I just checked TL2011 (oldest version on my current computer). In which case it's extremely odd that I've never noticed it before.
 
@AndrewStacey Maybe because it's not in the manual?
 
@DavidCarlisle As I'm nearly the only one doing changes I know whom to blame anyway. I just want to know the revision ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke well in that case you should definitely use svn praise
 
@egreg Busy schedule. :)
 
1:21 PM
@egreg You're correct that it isn't in the manual (at least, not via a simple search). But I've browsed the code often enough that I'd've thought I'd've spotted it before. Mind you, it hasn't been used on the main site so I don't feel too bad.
 
@DavidCarlisle No way I'm much too vain already ;-)
 
ooh hidden feature. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle svn blame takes a couple of hours for DocScape so I can put on my penitential robe and chastise myself meanwhile (as your almost-namesake isn't here any more to do it for me).
 
@PauloCereda Like those in David's packages. ;-)
Duplicate (see OP's comment)
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Q: Acronyms in upper/lower case

E_LI'm using the acronym package. When I use an acronym in full, I want it to be all lower case; and when used in the acronym list I want the first letter of each word to be capitalised. For example, in text: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, voltage controlled oscillator (VCO), sed do eiusmod tempo...

 
1:42 PM
@egreg And the code has no comments, so it's harder to find them. :)
Guys, I tried fish: ridiculousfish.com/shell It's, well, too colorful for my taste. :P
 
@PauloCereda Yet another syntax for command substitution.
 
@egreg Indeed. :) The cool part is that the command stays red until you type a valid command. :)
@percusse: you can convert your comment to an answer: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/76420/cleaning-up-a-bib-file :)
 
2:03 PM
... the same procedure as every year now ...
 
@topskip Will your keynotes be available? :)
 
@PauloCereda yes. I'll post a link once they are online
 
@topskip Cool!
 
@JosephWright Did you see this one?
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Q: How to prevent Beamer from loading amssymb and amsfonts?

ph4nt0mI would like to use the mathdesign package and the charter font in my beamer presentation. But when using \usepackage[charter,cal=cmcal]{mathdesign} I get the following warnings (sic!): Package 'amssymb' shouldn't be used in conjonction with package mdbch Package 'amsfonts' shouldn't be used ...

I believe that a noamssymb option should be provided for beamer as it is for beamerarticle. I don't see why one wants to use Charter for a presentation, but nevertheless the option should be there.
 
2:20 PM
@egreg I could have sworn I saw \documentclass[professionalfont]{beamer} in your answer. But after I'd found the explanation of why that wasn't right and come back, it had changed.
 
@AndrewStacey :)
 
@egreg Anyway, joking aside. I'd not seen scrlfile before. Looks extremely useful. Thanks for the pointer.
 
It's starting to be annoying. Rep cap again. :-0
 
@egreg Oh no! :)
We could ask the Powers that Be to raise the rep cap limit. :)
 
@topskip What's the news about the TeX Gyre Math fonts?
 
2:34 PM
@egreg There's an open bug on this, but Till hard-coded the use of amssymb for lists, so it's tricky
@egreg What I want to know too :-)
 
Yay secrets! :)
 
@JosephWright amssymb should be loaded \AtBeginDocument and users could pass an option noamssymb in case they use a package such as mathdesign or fourier that doesn't like it, but provides the needed symbols nonetheless.
 
@agodemar: Hi Agostino! :)
I will create a beehive-based yellow theme and name it beeamer. :)
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@PauloCereda Hi there
 
@egreg as far as I understood, Pagella and Termes + Latin Modern are "done", Schola and Bonum will follow next year. Adventor, Heros + Heros cond. will not be done, but perhaps DejaVu
 
@DavidCarlisle OMG David updated his blog! :)
 
@topskip A sans serif math font is useful.
 
@PauloCereda with, as usual, a long expansive and informative literary text.
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@egreg A quote (I have no opinion) " Sans-serif font do not seem to yield themselves for typesetting mathematics. Perhaps sometimes, as an experiment. . . Also, sans-serif math doesn’t fit into the “Unicode Support for Mathematics” (draft Unicode Technical Report #25 by Barbara Beeton, Asmus Freytag and Murray Sargent III). However, if there will be interest, the GUST e-foundry is willing to try."
 
@topskip Interested statement
 
2:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle The ${}_{2}F_{3}$ bit doesn't seem right.
 
Friends, I have another tool in mind: a template resolver for LaTeX. :)
 
@egreg The developer was worried about getting it turned on before everything was perfect but I encouraged him to go for it as soon as google would accept it. this is a nightly build so it changes at least once a day: it has to go to dev and beta channels before reaching the stable channel (with around 6 weeks between each if no problems show) Even if you can't set hypergeometric functions in the first stable release a lot of useful pages can be set:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I agree. :)
 
@topskip (just out of interest) so what are people using for beamer presentations?
 
@StephanLehmke Mac Keynote and the beamer package I'd assume (PDF, can't really tell)
@StephanLehmke one: MetaPost
 
2:58 PM
@topskip I meant, what math fonts (er, not during the EuroTeX conference, this was rather a remark on the "math sans serif is not useful" part).
 
@StephanLehmke beamer is sansmath, basically, but there are some glyphs that look odd
 
@StephanLehmke I have no idea.
 
For example, \sum is 'wrong'
Greek letters not great, either
 
@JosephWright Is sansmath a font name?
 
@StephanLehmke No, a font package
@StephanLehmke It uses Computer Modern sans, hence the gaps in coverage
 
3:01 PM
@StephanLehmke I don't know, I think I'd look at arev (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/59403/…)
 
Back in the day, I used to use cmbright fonts, everything else looked hideous on a beamer projection.
 
@StephanLehmke Might also be involved: I might maintain beamer, but I don't claim to know what Till set up!
 
@JosephWright I meant the projector appliance, the beamer package did not exist in my time of doing math, so I made my own ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke Like I say, I'd use sansmath is 'rolling my own', but I guess if you are doing serious mathematics you have to stick with serifs
I need only a very small amount of maths
 
@JosephWright Same here. :)
 
3:11 PM
@PauloCereda I think that's a good answer if you supply the checkcites answer. Otherwise it's duplicate for JabRef usage.
Also I'm on the train :) So probably the answer will be lost with this internet connection. Please include the JabRef part too.
Then I can delete my comments.
 
@percusse checkcites won't be a 100% valid answer since it will only spot unused references. :) I think you should write the JabRef answer. :)
 
@PauloCereda What kind of a reputation system works in TeX.SE that makes the people pass the answer to each other ?
 
Now ConTeXt wiki session with user @esteis
 
@percusse This is a gentlemen site. :)
 
That user name needs to be read very slowly.
 
3:18 PM
@percusse or backwards?
 
I am gonna have to ask you guys something about Linux: This is annoying. I was not getting this error at all, but this has popped up as soon as I changed my computer's name: The error is, "sudo: unable to resolve host". :/
I ballsedup the smilies. :(
 
@KannappanSampath PAM configuration messed up? Change /etc/hosts?
 
@topskip I am an absolute newbie. Less than 23 hours acquaintance with Linux. But, I had accessed /etc/hosts/... to change the computer's name.
 
iPad owners: is it nice to read PDF files in the iPad?
 
@PauloCereda Yes.
 
3:29 PM
BTW, I read about this and tried:
 _______
< Hello >
 -------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||
 
@KannappanSampath Try xcowsay now.
@AndrewStacey I'm thinking of getting one for me. :)
 
@JosephWright My stab at presentation font configuration was
 
$ fortune | cowsay
 
It had a real lot of configuration options. The example file "slifontsexample.tex" predefined 9 configuration scenarios (out of a lot more):
 
@PauloCereda Hmm! Cool! Fortune too! It would be nice if fortune's libraries are being updated quite often. :))
My first fortune message:
 
3:32 PM
@KannappanSampath hm?!
 
@DavidCarlisle I went to Appendix G. :)
 
You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life."
 
    % Slifonts with cm italic math.
    % Slifonts with euler math.
    % Slifonts with cmbright math.
    % cmss fonts with cm italic math.
    % cmss fonts with euler math.
% cmss fonts with cmbright math.
% cmr fonts.
% cmbright fonts.
% concrete fonts with Euler math.
 
@PauloCereda As of what I understand, fortune gets its messages from a collection which is static. Is this right?
 
@egreg D is the only real appendix
 
3:34 PM
@KannappanSampath A huge database. :)
 
@PauloCereda I certainly get a lot of use out of mine. As do my kids!
 
@AndrewStacey I'm considering to take it everywhere, including masses. :) I can organize my songs in there (and play games if the homily is boring - iHell). :)
 
But you see that the choice of "sans serif" math fonts is extremely limited (I won't even mention Helvetica math), so all of the choices are really only combinations from a limited set of parameters.
This is from 2003; I'd have hoped things have changed since then.
 
@egreg is it wise to set the tikz people a challenge like that
 
3:45 PM
Next I want the 65537 side polygon. After all Gauss had only 17 sides. :)
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@egreg there is no next. Even you only get one chance at a tombstone
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@egreg :)
 
4:09 PM
@we
oops, sorry folks...
 
I wish I could go to Naples. :(
 
4:28 PM
 
@StephanLehmke now once again as MathML please.
 
@DavidCarlisle ;-) I never convert TeX into something, only the other way round.
But maybe you could explain how to get a 7pt design size serif font scaled to 10pt with MathML ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke just view the 7pt document on @AndrewStacey's ipad and put a thumb and finger on it and move them apart
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok so we're left with the task of describing a document with 7pt design size fots with MathML.
 
@StephanLehmke mathsize="7pt" probably (although fixing a size is evil better to give the design size font a different name and then just use mathfont="xxxx7pt" or whatever so it will scale to the window better
 
4:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle Oh I'm genuinely surprised something display-specific like this is even possible in what I'd taken to be an abstract description formalism...
 
Is it too creepy to admit I have a backup of our site? :)
Family Feud 2012 Edition for Microsoft Xbox360. Look at the keming! :)
 
@topskip :)
 
5:22 PM
@PauloCereda French people will ask: "Why is there 'there' written so many times?" :D
 
@tohecz Oopsie. :)
 
btw, hello @Paulo!
 
@tohecz Hey Tom! How are you feeling today? :)
 
much better, especially after yesterday's soiree
 
5:24 PM
it's always nice when your friend invites his PhD supervisor and you and your PhD supervisor and few other people to his place to have a house party! :)
 
ooh party!
 
we ended at 2.30, my morning lecture was starting at 8.45
gladly I was staying at his place overnight and it's really close to the uni
and how's your holidays?
 
So far, peaceful and rainy. :)
 
ok :)
 
5:34 PM
btw, do you know how to use TikZ?
 
Sadly, no. :( My TikZ knowledge is very little.
 
(damn, its so confusing to be connected to the chat from 2 different computers that are on the same table)
I would like to predefine two different decorations to my pathes, but I don't know how (I have one and I call it with postaction=decorate)
 
@tohecz Do you want them in series or in parallel?
 
I want them such that I can easily say "these pathes with be decorated with arrow, these with text and these with nothing"
now I either put there [postaction=decorate] or I don't
 
@cmhughes just saw your substack comment after I posted if you make it an answer I'll delete mine:-)
 
5:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle no problem :) I'm always very happy to up-vote your answers- you've done so much for the TeX community, it's the very least I can do :)
an html/js/css approach to presentations (desk.js) example: spot.pcc.edu/~chughes/deskjs/boilerplate.html
 
@percusse Not outer sep but linewidth.
@tohecz So you define two styles containing the decoration specifications and then use arrow decoration,postaction=decorate, and text decoration, postaction=decorate.
 
ok, thanks for the hint! I'll try to make it working ;)
 
6:15 PM
@cgnieder: Nice new package.
 
6:27 PM
@AndrewStacey Seems that I'm screwed: For all other path construction operations (other than -- and ..), the position placement does not work, currently. This will hopefully change in the future. I need to use the to operation :-/
 
7:08 PM
@MarcoDaniel: back home? :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes ;-) I commented some cards at trello and I am working on my
@PauloCereda Hard week but I passed the SAP modul finance
 
@MarcoDaniel Yay! :) And Oktoberfest! :)
 
@PauloCereda Was harder ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel LOL
@MarcoDaniel I saw it. :) Thanks for the feedback. We are an epic team. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh yes and multinational
Up to know I don't regret that I have registered at tex.stackexchange.
 
7:15 PM
@MarcoDaniel We need more asians now. :)
 
@PauloCereda LOL
 
@MarcoDaniel We didn't blow up anything yet. :)
 
@PauloCereda LOL -- yet ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke: by the way, thanks for the motivation. You have inspired me to come up with an idea for an article, and I submitted it yesterday. It's a semi-automatic model for arranging text blocks on a set of pages based on automata. It is only a theoretical model for now. Sadly, I had to omit the maths because of the target audience of the conference (almost no theoreticians), but I'm planning an extended version with everything in it. :)
@MarcoDaniel Matter of time. :)
Someday you'll open TeX.sx and this message will appear:
"oops, sorry for that."
                       Paulo
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@PauloCereda This sounds really great! My Masters student is also currently testing his system based on genetic algorithms. So soon we can make a page layout optimization deathmatch ;-)
@PauloCereda Maybe when the counter for total votes overflows ;-)
 
7:24 PM
@StephanLehmke ooh theoretical cagefight, mathematical octagon. I like it. :)
@StephanLehmke LOL BigInt overflow. :)
@MarcoDaniel: next step: lure Herbert to use arara. :)
@Stephan: I'll find a nice AI conference here in Brazil, so you guys can come here. :)
 
@PauloCereda this one perhaps?
 
7:40 PM
@DavidCarlisle I can pick you guys at the airport. :)
 
8:07 PM
@tohecz I'd need to see the code.
 
Yeah, I know. But honestly, I don't think it's a good idea. Gimme a minute
 
8:18 PM
@AndrewStacey you can find two files untitled-1.* at kmlinux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~hejdato1/temp
and you can guess what is it ;)
 
8:37 PM
@tohecz Right, I've downloaded the code. Where and how do you want to put the two decorations?
 
@egreg beat me by a minute again:(
 
now, most of the LINEs have a colour. Let's say that I would like the colour name to be written along the line (it will be something else than the colour in the end, but this is the idea). The macro responsible for this is \xLINExx
 
@DavidCarlisle They are two different approaches. Both deal with an awful way to write maths. (In your honour I'm using British spelling.)
 
@egreg yes it's pretty odd the alignment point seem to just be to make a pattern rather than follow any semantics of the expression, I see you dropped the duplication of the operators at the break which I usually think of as Russian only, but...
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, it's Russian. And bad. Not because it's Russian.
 
8:45 PM
@tohecz Right, so you want the text decoration.
 
yes. And both my experiment and the manual say that it's impossible with \draw () to ()
 
@tohecz Sorry, I'm not following. Can you give me an example of the code that isn't working?
 
\draw (0,0) to[in=80, out=70] (1,0) node[sloped,pos=0.5] {xyz};
I hope I made it correct
Whereas the following works:
\draw (0,0) -- (1,0) node[sloped,pos=0.5] {xyz};
 
@JosephWright does the public version of xor do this (an internal one did at some time but I cant remember what Frank and I did with it) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/76479/…
 
@DavidCarlisle I think so: there is lots of stuff about placement overrides (.fpc files), but Frank is the real expert of course
 
8:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle btw, very interesting question, and I'm really looking forward to have a good solution (it always bothers me to have to cut-and-paste the figures to move them to the correct place, only to find out that the correct place is inside \bibliography{mybibfile})
 
@JosephWright yes just noticed the fpc stuff is the public svn. I wonder if it makes sense to point to it or if its too scary
 
@DavidCarlisle The detail is all in xo-pfloat.pdf
@DavidCarlisle We're supposed to be getting it sorted! The idea works quite well, I think.
 
@JosephWright "We're supposed to be getting it xor -ted"
 
@tohecz xor has (had) a separate file which controlled float placement, basically latex positions the floats but writes out that figure 10 ended up in the top region of page 8 but if you edit the file by hand to say bottome region of page 10 it goes there instead (on a good day)
 
@DavidCarlisle Definitely has
 
8:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle interesting concept ;)
 
@JosephWright I'll send the OP there then, he can be a volumteer tester:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle We can talk about it next weekend :-)
 
@tohecz Ah, now I understand. You are trying to place the node at a position along the path but at the moment this is only supported for certain types of path construction. So you need to use a decoration to place a coordinate at the position and then use that to place the node afterwards.
 
@AndrewStacey yeah, but I don't know how to calculate the slope (so that it "sits" on the line)
I think I'll stick to colours and just be happy :)
 
@GonzaloMedina: Not sure what is going on, but there were only 2 users who had flagged your answer when I posted the comment. A few minutes ago there were 3.
 
8:59 PM
@JosephWright is it on ctan or should I point to svn? (not that I'm out the loop or anything:-)
 
@tohecz As it's a curved path, what about using the text along path decoration?
 
@DavidCarlisle SVN: the xpackage stuff is too sketchy to send to CTAN
 
OK, thanks
 
@AndrewStacey lol, google just pointed me back to TeX.SX, how usual! :D
 
@PauloCereda Hey, does that means you can look up all the questions and not have to be on the internet? That seems useful. Perhaps I should post a question as to how to do that. Hmmm.. Perhaps you can just Dropbox share it.. That would be sweet.
 
9:02 PM
\draw[postaction={decorate},decoration={text along path, text
align=center,text={xyz}}] (0,0) to[in=80, out=70] (1,0);
@tohecz and you need to use the decorations.text library.
 
Dimension too large. Something is darn wrong
@AndrewStacey ok, it works, thanks a lot!
Now I have to (1) rotate the text not to be upside down and (2) solve the "Dimension too large" problem
 
\draw[
  postaction={
    decorate,
    decoration={
      text along path,
      text align=center,
      text={xyz}
    }
  },
  postaction={
    decorate,
    decoration={
      markings,
      mark=at position 0.95 with {\arrow{>}},
      mark=at position 0.9 with {\arrow{>}}
    }
  }
] (0,0) to[in=80, out=70] (1,0);
@tohecz So you can put multiple decorations on a single path.
 
@AndrewStacey ok, thanks
 
(Oops, I think the markings should be the other way around - the manual says that they should be in the right order.)
 
I really just don't understand why I get "dimension too large"
I even made all the nodes into [0,10]x[0,10]
no, there's something wrong, and I don't know what is it
I cannot make it work in my picture
@AndrewStacey \arrow{>>}}
@AndrewStacey BTW, have you got an idea as what is it? :)
 
9:20 PM
@tohecz I did it as two separate arrows because at that position the line was very curved so the rear arrow looked a bit misplaced.
 
Yeah, I understood that afterwards
 
@tohecz Not really! It looked like some sort of road map.
 
@AndrewStacey very close
 
@tohecz Re-upload the code?
 
mmnt
done
(well, it's a railway map of my current Transport Tycoon game ;)
(only one layer of railways though)
(and @Paulo will surely like it :D )
 
9:25 PM
@PeterGrill Not that easy, I'm afraid. The data is there, but we need to parse it. :(
@tohecz :)
 
@PauloCereda Damm!! Was hoping it was simple. Wishful thinking I guess.
 
@tohecz Awesome. :)
@PeterGrill I'll try to write a parser for it. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-) No need. Just that having an offline version would reduce the time I spend procrastinating and trying to stay ahead of @DavidCarlisle.
 
9:55 PM
@tohecz Hmm, nothing obvious springs to mind. Maybe try a few similar but simpler examples to reproduce the error?
 
yeah, I know I could do it, but 1) it's a "fun" project for me, 2) I don't really understand TikZ to be able to debug this problem, 3) projects I will seriously need will probably never be of this kind.
 
@PauloCereda I think he will do ;-)
 
Here's an answer worth a few votes:
2
A: How to Reverse Clip on Custom Path Defined by Ellipse Intersections

tecepewell, this will not be a short answer. In fact, it will be a very long answer, but will solve the problems of this type in a generic way. Here are some examples of what you can do with this proposal. Libraries and packages We used a feature of tikz called decorations.markings to recreate the...

 
@AndrewStacey Already voted.
 
@tohecz If you come up with a smaller example it would make it easier for someone like me to figure out why you're getting that error. But at the moment, it is so wrapped up in other macros that it would take a little work to untangle it. Not that I'm not intrigued enough to have a go - just not this late in the evening!
 
10:02 PM
@AndrewStacey the error appers on (quite random) line. And surprisingly, when you scale the coordinates by 10 (you move a decimal dot one position left or right) and just accordingly co-scale the tikzpicture, the error appears on a different node.
I can surely simplify it it the means of \LINE macro - you need only one variant. But I think that the \NODEs are quite crucial (because of the "scaling" reason explained above)
 
@tohecz The first thing that I'd try is a bug I found with something in pgfmath. There's a question by Altermundus (I think) which I answered about it, but I can't find it right now (I'm absolutely rubbish at finding stuff on this site).
 
@AndrewStacey I believe that it must be a problem in the computations inside, because it really appears sort-of randomly
@AndrewStacey btw, really amazing!
@AndrewStacey I'm really considering giving him a bounty, because having a newcomer do such a good job is not a thing that happens every day
 
Found it (by searching through my own code):
4
Q: How to put a mark on an arc (tikz,decoration)

Alain MatthesI have a problem with this code : \documentclass{article} \usepackage{tikz} \usetikzlibrary{decorations.markings} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture}[decoration={markings, mark = at position .5 with {\draw (-2pt,-2pt) -- (2pt,2pt) (2pt,-2pt) -- (-2pt,2pt);}}] % wrong %\draw [postactio...

Oh, I see Altermundus has changed his name.
@tohecz I was thinking of doing that too!
 
@AndrewStacey well, you surely have more to give :p
 
@tohecz I did.
 
10:11 PM
@egreg How nice! :)
 
@tohecz The veclen fix is not the issue with your code. But I'll bet it is something similar.
 
@PauloCereda I really can't judge fully the answer, but it seems really outstanding
 
@egreg Neither can I. :) I'm a newbie in TikZ, but the answer is great. :)
 
Ak. No transistors in the TikZ circuit library.
 
@egreg: Investor badge... gifting some of that hard-earned serial-voting reputation. Nice! Now's the time to catch up folks!
 
10:22 PM
I need a name for a tool. Suggestions? :)
 
@PauloCereda what kind of a tool?
 
@Werner I had just overtaken Gonzalo for the month. Well, it's still long.
 
@tohecz A tool to allow templates in TeX. :)
 
@PauloCereda I guess TeXplates would be too much of a obvious choice...
 
why I get a mind association "butter" ? :D
 
10:24 PM
@Werner :)
 
@PauloCereda Duckity duck
 
@egreg :) Duck it, like a boss...!
 
@egreg ooh I like it! :)
 
@Werner no way, there're just too many TeX.... things
 
It has ducks in it!
 
10:25 PM
@PauloCereda don't tell me it'll be called duckity :p
 
@PauloCereda You have the logo.
 
@tohecz oops. :)
@egreg Which one? :)
 
@PauloCereda The famous duck!
 
@egreg oooh! :)
 
10:43 PM
@PeterGrill I guess they thought I was only going to leave the initial sentence as an answer (I was busy at the moment so the example had to wait); they surely don't know me ;-)
@egreg This tex.stackexchange.com/q/76496/… is clearly a MathJax issue; in LaTeX there's no problem (once the odd \hspace{1mm} is removed)
 
ok I think I don't know TikZ anymore :)
I don't get half of the questions and answers eheh
 
@GonzaloMedina In display math mode \bigwedge^{k} typesets the k above the big operator.
 
@egreg yes, I know; now that I've seen the post in math.stackexchange I understand the intent of the OP.
 

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