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11:00 AM
Thanks for your excellent reply @JonW!
 
@MishaScholte No worries. Roger also gave a good response too. I'm interested to see what else other people think though. I've changed my mind once on that, it's possible I could be persuaded to change my mind again!
 
Yes, me too. Hopefully a lot of people will see the questions and care to add an answer
 
11:19 AM
Just clicked a link to eConsultancy on twitter. Holy cow, I think they want you to register on the site.
There might actually be some real content in that page somehere.
 
the website is too widescreen for your monitor so they used letterboxing
 
It's a mess
 
if you view it on a 16:9 monitor it looks normal :-)
 
Even on my browser with Adblock it looks messy.
But not as bad.
I've checked it on a bigger monitor. Still only shows the first few paraghraphs of content, mixed in with all the other crap links / sharing / registeration / ads everywhere. Sheesh.
 
11:35 AM
@JonW Nice answer
 
12:19 PM
Does anyone have some suggestions of Android apps with good multi pane layouts?
Looking for some inspiration
 
@JohnGB What kind of multipane layout? Just list pane + detail pane on tablets like Gmail, or are you looking for something for complex?
 
Something more complex would be better, but any good implementations
 
12:36 PM
@JohnGB I've found Andreas Schildbach's Bitcoin Wallet to be a good inspiration. The main screen on handsets is a kind of info panel above a transaction list. It's open-source, so you can look at the layouts too.
 
12:54 PM
Thanks @DanHulme I'll take a look at it
 
@JohnGB tablet or mobile? You could try Flipboard.
 
Tablet mostly
Thanks
 
@JonW needs more bars
If you can see content you don't have enough menu bars, registration nags, modal popups and social media bars
 
@JonW How is Flipboard multi pane?
Maybe I'm missing something there
 
@JohnGB I think I got the wrong end of the stick. I thought you were after apps that display multiple views on screen at once.
 
1:09 PM
More apps that have many panels viewed at once - usually for hierarchy
 
1:54 PM
Like anyone else is going to see your f$#^ing password
 
Haha, how F*****G stupid is that?
Ah, to be fair that article does claim that obscene words count as 'common' words so they say this is the reason for not allowing them.
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Q: Screen resolution causing wave effect in background image

GeorgeI'm in the process of developing a website that is reminiscent of an old CRT monitor. To achieve the effect, I've taken an image that consists of a horizontal black line and a white line repeating both on the vertical and horizontal axis. The image opacity to achieve this effect has a very low ...

Don't think this belongs on UX.SE.
Also, what is it with quetsions recently about creating apps to mimic CRT / DOS displays? We've had a bunch recently. I hope this isn't an indication of how future applications are going to be styled. Retro is OK for clothes, not for web design.
(Note - retro isn't actually OK for clothes)
 
@JonW Though that's bullshit since they're blocking swears, not common words
 
What is wrong with swearing?
 
If they were blocking the 100 most common passwords that'd be much more understandable
 
It's words. Are people not allowed to use certain words anymore?!
 
2:06 PM
@BenBrocka I think they are too. The screenshot does say it can't contain 'password, admin or other common words'. I guess swear words are some of the other common words.
 
@JonW It's a GD question, but it has a UX aspect for people to consider
As the moiré has an impact on UX
 
@JohnGB The fix isn't going to be related to improving things for the user. The OP doesn't like how his design renders on some screens, so he will have to tweak the CSS / Design / PS image to rectify that. It's not a UX issue he has though.
 
I think it shows a UX issue that is often not considered.
But it's borderline anyway.
 
I've hit the rep cap already today. This must be what it feels like to be Jon Skeet.
 
No, skeet hits the rep cap before he wakes up
 
2:13 PM
Gets depressing when you hit the rep cap regularly.
 
I think I read that the last time Jon Skeet missed the rep cap was about 4 years ago.
 
When you look at how many questions he has answered, that isn't hard to believe
But he gets tons of rep from people marking questions as correct
So you need a very busy site for that to happen
 
In fact he's always over the rep cap
 
It's odd, as I never see any of his answers on SO. We must have totally non-overlapping interests.
 
Mostly C# afaik
So unless you are into that, you probably wont
 
2:18 PM
ah, that explains it
I haven't used C# for years
 
2:34 PM
@JonW JPEG. Whyyyyyy?!!!one!
 
@TRiG It was a PNG when I uploaded it. Imgur converted it to a JPG
 
@JonW That's weird.
 
I guess 600k is better than the 3MB original!
 
@JonW we've enabled the zoom capability on our testservers and works like a charm. Except with Webkit & fixed items :/
 
2:50 PM
Rumor: Samsung is going to announce the Galaxy Mega, 2 phones, one with 5.8", one with 6.3". Better not place any important buttons on the top left! Impossible to reach
 
3:03 PM
@MishaScholte that...seems doubtful
I do get the appeal of the Note, but 6.3 probably won't fit into many people's pockets
 
I don't even want to have a large phone in my pocket. I'm way to scared that it will break if I sit down
 
Huh. Not sure why they'd add even more brands, either
Note's doing great
 
3:19 PM
Think of when you carry a tablet and a phone with you arround
I think there are enough people for who that would bu useful
For example I hardly every use my phone to make calls, but when I do, it's with headphones
 
It gets a bit confusing with the Galaxy, the Galaxy S, the Galaxy Note, Galaxy Mini, Galaxy Y, Galaxy Tab, not forgetting about the Omnia's, TouchWiz and I probably forgot a few
 
But I have a tablet with me most of the time
 
Is there actually a plain "galaxy" still?
 
There are currently 67 different phones in the "Galaxy"-serie in the market
 
Some discontinued though
At least they are experimenting
 
3:34 PM
it would have been nice if they'd actually thought of different names for them
so many people tell me they've got "a galaxy" and it doesn't really narrow down what kind of phone they have (or even if it's a phone or a tablet)
 
It's a series name. Sort of like iPhone is
My favourite is when I ask what phone someone has and they say "a smartphone".
Not very useful to determine compatibility
 
@JohnGB "I have an iPad. It's a Kindle iPad."
 
lol
 
I've actually heard that one during usability testing.
 
I have a middle-aged aunt who knows I write Android software. At her last work Christmas party, she asked if anyone there had an Android phone. Nobody said they did, but when they checked, it turned out six people did (but didn't know that's what it was).
"Android" is just not a brand like "iPhone" is
 
3:46 PM
lol @JonW
 
It was doubly annoying because we wanted to test the site on an iPad so asked for volunteers who had iPads. This person turned up with a Kindle Fire HD and genuinely though it was what we wanted. iPad=Tablet I guess. Interesting to find that out, but slightly annoying.
 
@JonW and I suppose he was annoyed at having his time wasted this way
 
No, we still used him for the testing so it was still valuable, just not what we were planning on testing at that time.
 
4:01 PM
@JonW Good work.
 
4:21 PM
Are there any windows Markdown editors? Rather than just doing it in word and having it all styled up MS-Wordy, or writing in notepad / Sublime and having everything just text, does anyone know of any alternatives?
I'd use IAWriter if I had a Mac, but I don't.
 
@JonW Don't know of any, sorry.
 
Might have to go hunting to see if there are any decent free ones out there.
 
@JonW it's why Google fights hard to not allow "googled" to mean "searched", it has to be specific to Google
 
@BenBrocka I think they've lost that battle.
 
some people have even lost trademarks because people use them as common terms (like refrigerator)
 
4:25 PM
@JonW GVim has pretty good Markdown highlighting. It's not as useful as a full-parsing editor, but a step up from Notepad
 
There was one article about some dictionary trying to include the word 'ungoogleable' in there, Google requested it refer specifically to Google, so they company just removed the word rather than get into all that legal confusion.
 
@JonW Not quite...since the vast majority of people actually use Google it's pretty hard to find someone that says "I'll google this excitedly opens Bing"
 
"I'll google it in Bing"
 
@JonW that's more or less googling winning. Them having their name attached to "a search engine" would be losing
 
@DanHulme It's a VIM-type editor? Vim is a bit...OTT for me I think.
 
4:26 PM
@JonW yeah, GVim is just Vim in GUI mode
 
@JonW
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Q: Markdown Preview Application for Windows

Kunal JhaI have been using nvALT © Brett Terpstra 2010 which has the Markdown preview option for all the notes. Is there any application on Windows end which has similar preview functionality. I understand that lot converters available but for the ease of use sake I am looking for an application with the...

 
@RogerAttrill I've flagged as a Shopping Request. ;)
I like the suggestion of using VisualStudio.
Hammer:nut springs to mind.
 
yes!
like 'use a mac emulator'
 
I just want something to write my specs in that isn't Word, but that I can then paste into Word once i'm done just to do the final tidying up. I don't want all the formatting hassles that you get with actually writing in word though. That MarkDownPad seems pretty good though, might investimigate that.
Whoah, hometime. See you'se all later.
 
bye
it's these light evenings. Fools you!
 
4:35 PM
@JonW notepad++ is my go-to but I haven't done it for markdown
 
 
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6:02 PM
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Q: Approve edits to answer by questioner?

Charles WesleyI approved an edit to an answer that was made not by the user who gave the answer but by the user who asked the question and accepted the answer. Was this the correct action, or should I have declined the edit and suggested the user edit their question? The edit in question was a clarification ...

Seems like that belongs as an edit to the question moreso than an answer (from someone other than the asker), right?
 
6:26 PM
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Q: Should users be able to zoom in a responsive webdesign?

Misha ScholteWhen it comes to a responsive design: should users still be able to zoom in or out? We are currently working on a responsive design and one of our testers found it awkward that he wasn't able to zoom in or out. When I check some responsive designs (such as Boston Globe, Polygon and Currys.co.uk)...

this might need to be protected it is accumulating a lot of bad answers by new users
@BenBrocka I was going back and forth on it
 
IT would have been auto-protected if @JonW hadn't jumped in
 
It's getting flagged all over the place.
 
Hmmm, perhaps if I had formulated the question a little bit better it would decrease the number of bad answers?
 
@MishaScholte I think it is more a function of views. Once a question gets around 1k views you start to see a big increase in bad answers from new users
 
@MishaScholte Not really your fault I wouldn't say. It hit the top Hot Question across all the StackExchange sites, that means it might have also been posted elsewhere outside SE and attacts some... less than perfect answers.
Also, RWD is quite a hot topic. Questions on that tend to get pretty popular (speaking from experience!)
 
6:34 PM
It should be. RWD is one of the most exciting things I have ever done!
 
Nic
oof, there's a lot of weirdness surrounding UX and responsive design
 
@Nic We were discussing this very thing in the office today.
Everyone has different opinions, all pretty valid.
 
Nic
I think a lot of it is spawning from not understanding what you're supposed to do with RWD
and that it is more than just breakpoints
ux.stackexchange.com/questions/20824/… - the reason this is even a consideration is because designers are just hiding or truncating information
 
We were trying to decide what should happen if someone manually zooms in but then rotates the phone to landscape. Should it stay zoomed in, should it zoom out to full.. what should happen?
Never really got to the bottom of it, to be honest.
 
Nic
I mean, you would have to test that
and it seems more like a device implementation issue (native) than a browser concern
but yeah an interesting question
and on @MishaScholte's question, your mobile fonts really shouldn't be too small
that just seems like bad responsive design
yes, I'm out of hibernation :P
 
7:01 PM
@CharlesWesley If it weren't mine (and I could vote instead of straight up closing) I'd say that's 95% a dupe of
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Q: Should Mobile-optimized sites allow Zooming?

Ben BrockaZooming is common on mobile because sites aren't designed for it; you need to zoom, generally, you don't want to zoom around. Mobile sites are supposed to not need any form of zooming, and often disable zooming. It seems against convention to allow zooming for mobile sites; they're supposed to b...

 
@BenBrocka I thought it was a dupe when it came in, but couldn't find the dupe. Guess i was only searching tag though.
Never expected it to blow up as big as it did though.
 
I never saw that one @BenBrocka
I think it is a dupe hen
*then
 
7:13 PM
Actually, I've changed my mind. It's closely related, but not a duplicate.
Mobile vs. responsive.
 
@JohnGB The reasoning for the answers is identical. IT really doesn't matter which wording you pick. "mobile optimized" vs "some other design which fills the full width of the device and no more" is effectively the same
 
@nic, ofcourse. We've upped our fontsize a bit and let some users try it out. But still, there are people with disabities whom need even bigger sizes
Hmmm, I didn't find that question either. Only searched within the responsive design tag
 
7:55 PM
 
8:22 PM
I miss an old radio
 
@MishaScholte I think the first/only radio I ever had was a Zune's FM radio (the channels were garbage)
 
Zune as in Microsoft Zune?
 
@MishaScholte Yes, I actually had one. And the interface was great; clearly a predecessor to Metro
Though while I like the Metro style it seems to carry bad luck with it
Windows Phone and Win 8 haven't quite gone the way of the Zune but I dont' have nearly as high hopes as I used to and I definitely don't plan on using either any time soon
 
8:38 PM
@BenBrocka it shouldn't be based on the uniqueness of the answers though. I think it should be about the uniqueness of the questions.
 
@JohnGB IMO the questions aren't really unique either. They're basically the same situation; web design that fills the whole available screen rather than using a fixed width
 
The Zune never really got any traction here in the Netherlands. Mainly because it wasn't really available. However, I do think that Microsoft is going in the right direction with the whole 'metro-thingy'. I like the interface of Windows Phone a lot, but I'm not a big fan of Metro on a desktop. But like you, I hold my reserves. As long as Microsoft doesn't allow vendors to diverge with their phones, they won't be so eager to jump on the metro-wagon
 
Fair enough. If you think they are too similar, then I'm not going to argue about it
 
@MishaScholte Yeah, I'm probably biased because I first used metro (not counting the Zune) on a PC. Was a touch screen PC too though, and Metro was just always in the way. It's probably fine on a phone but at this point I'm sticking with Android
 
I'm stuck with iOS, but only because I don't want to buy all my apps again...
 
8:51 PM
@MishaScholte That's why I've been hesitant to buy apps. I do have a few paid on both platforms
My iPad mostly collects dust though
It's not really useful around the house and it's a pain to lug around when I always have my phone. Plus it doesn't run video game emulators
 
That's the one thing that I miss the most!
I'm very curious what Ive is going to do with iOS, now he's in charge. I think we can wave skeuomorphic design goodbye
iOS really needs an update. Compared to Android, it's old fashioned in every way
 
@MishaScholte completely
But Apple also need to fix iOS from the developers' perspective
Find a bug. No problem. A week or two in review before you can roll out a fix.
Submit a content update, and an app that has been fine for the last 20 updates gets rejected because they want you to have some feature that was never there before.
Apple treat developers like shit.
 
Absolutely. I can understand it from the perspective of a user. The app store is a pretty safe environment, even more with the couple of changes from about two months ago. But for a developer it's horrible
In our previous update we had a tiny bug which was helped in like ten minutes, but we still had to go through the entire process. Of course, it should have been caught by QA, but somehow it slipped through
 
9:10 PM
@MishaScholte I've yet to hear of the Apple app store catching malicious code
I worked on a messaging app that was rejected from the appstore because "It isn't useful or entertaining".
Convert to Android. 700k downloads in 3 months with revenue of about 6k EUR a month.
 
What the hell? The entire store is filled with garbage apps which aren't useful or entertaining
 
Suuuure... not useful
@MishaScholte that was my thought
 
Which app was it?
 
Emojidom
The Apple review process is retarded
I've had one app sit in review for over a month
Just waiting for someone to review it
Android = 3 hours to go live
 
I don't get it. It looks entertaining to me
Yeah. I also like how you can view how many people installed your app etcetera. iTunes Connect doesn't really provide any good information
 
9:15 PM
And search on Apple's store is terrible
 
I have absolutely no idea how big my installed base is on iOS. On Android there is much more information available
 
I tried to find an app by searching for it's official name, and it was on position 10 or something
Yes, Android helps you with information that you can use and adjust what you do based on
 
I find the speed even more annoying. I don't know how they build it, but it's always unbelievably slow
A buddy of mine has a company and provides a service called 'App store SEO optimization'. But he admits that is a load of bullshit for iOS
and frankly, I believe it's bullocks on Android as well
 
Very likely.
On the Google Play store they take a lot of useful info into account, so it's easier for a good app to rise.
Apple really need to get their act together, because they are losing a lot of developers
When iOS represent 5-10% of the marked it's not going to be worthwhile developing for iOS unless you are a huge app.
 
Do you think so? Recently I've read an article (I don't remember exactly) but it stated that one iOS user is worth 14 or 16 Android users (revenue-wise). If that's true, it is an interesting platform to put a product on
Except when the market reaches 5 tot 10% yeah...
 
9:43 PM
How old is the article.
That used to be true a year or two ago, but at least in my experience, it isn't anywhere close to that big a difference anymore
Also if you look at Android revenue vs iOS and compare to the user numbers, you will see that it isn't that bad anymore
Advertisers still pay more for iOS ads, but that difference is getting less too
 
mashable.com/2013/03/06/android-no-cool-apps I can only find this, but Mashable isn't really the best resource. I could swear that I've read a similar article referring to a study
 
That article is just plain stupid
Yes, there are 331 models that you build for, but it's only a few variations that you have to account for
No offence to you meant @MishaScholte. Mashable have been turning out some terrible articles lately.
The tech equivalent of gosip columns
 
No offense taken. I never completely believe such articles/studies, but there always has to be some form of truth in it. When I look to my own friends, the ones who own an iOS device do buy a lot more apps than my friends who have Android. My friends with Android always flash their rom and just download the .apk's.
But, then again, all my friends with Android are more techsavvy and the ones with iOS just 'want to own a cool device' and are too lazy to preform a jailbreak so they can install apps for free
 
10:06 PM
Android started off with the tech savvy crowd. They don't spend
But most new devices (by far) sold now are Android, and those people aren't flashing their roms
But the other problem is that on iOS, it's very hard to compete against the huge apps
because the search etc. is idiotic.
One example of an app on iOS and Android. The iOS one launched first (by about 2 months).
The android one makes about 7-8 times what the iOS one does
Same app, different platforms
And those are the numbers that matter to me.
Not total value if 95% of that goes to the top 20 apps
 
in installs or in revenue?
 
revenue
 
Wow that's huge
 
That is mostly because it's hard to find in the iOS store though
If they were to fix that, it would be much better for smaller developers
Value per ad impression is higher on iOS, but dropping
So if it weren't for the store being ineffective, iOS would most likely be the same or better
 
Interesting
 
10:12 PM
But that is just my experience. Maybe other people have found it different
However in sales and total revenue, Android is killing iOS growth wise
I'm off. Have a good night Misha
 
Same to you mate. Good talk!
 

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