Vedanta and Philosophy

5:47 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan We won't worship one God. In my home, there are around 10-15 God and Goddess Photos. I'm from joint family so few of my family members perform Arti on Monday, few on Friday and few on Sunday. I mean, we won't follow a specific sect. That's why I'm not clear about sampradaya.

@KeshavSrinivasan I heard about "Kul Devi" or something like that in TV, so I asked my father who is our? so he said Laxmi is our main Goddess...

Keshav Srinivasan

6:11 AM

@KrishnShweta Are you a Brahmin? If so you can figure out your sect by examining the Sandhyavandhanam procedure of your male relatives.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan No. I'm not a Brahmin.

Pandya

6:28 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan I want to discuss regarding body-soul relationship of Vishishtadvaita.

Keshav Srinivasan

6:40 AM

@Pandya ok

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan as we've already discussed, according to Vishishtadvaita, universe/world is actually nothing but Brahman right?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yes, the world is just a transformation of Brahman.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok; so, I think there is body-soul relationship between Brahman and Jivatman only and can not be applied for Brahman and world. Isn't it?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya No, Vishnu is the Antaryami or inner self of both Jivas and the world.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan I agree that Vishnu is inner self of Jivas but the world is itself Vishnu. (how the inner self of world)?

Keshav Srinivasan

6:53 AM

@Pandya Physical matter consists of a mixture of the three Gunas, Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas, whereas Brahman is by nature pure; Brahman possesses the six Kalyana Gunas or auspicious qualities. So in transforming into the world, Brahman is becoming something that has different attributes than the natural qualities of Brahman.

@Pandya But then within that physical matter, Vishnu still dwells in his pure state as the inner self of that matter.

@Pandya The six Kalyana Gunas, by the way, are Jnana, Bala, Aishwarya, Shakti, Virya, and Tejas.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan so, you mean we should consider different Brahman 1. with Kalyana Gunas and 2. pure?

@KeshavSrinivasan Then we can say that Pure Brahman is the inner self of Brahman with attributes. right?

@KeshavSrinivasan And by the way as you considered " So in transforming into the world, Brahman is becoming something that has different attributes than the natural qualities of Brahman." similarly how about considering " Brahman is becoming something that has different attributes than the natural qualities of Brahman in case of Jivatma also? and still dwells in his pure state as inner self of Jivatma?."

Btw how to solve such problem like "Everything is verily Brahman except Jivatma!"

Keshav Srinivasan

8:10 AM

@Pandya No, there's only one Brahman. Pure is the same as possessing Kalyana Gunas. The Kalyana Gunas are pure qualities, as opposed to the impure qualities associated with physical matter.

@Pandya No, Jivatmas are not a transformation of Brahman, Jivatmas are eternal.

@Pandya Well, that's not a problem to be solved, that's simply the nature of reality: Brahman is the Antaryami of both Jivatmas and matter, and Jivatmas and matter are both parts of Brahman, but what distinguishes Jivatmas from matter is that Brahman transforms itself into matter but not into Jivatmas.

@Pandya By the way, I just reposted my question about Sri Harsha's Khandana Khanda Khadya on Philosophy Stackexchange, in the hope that Incan get breed answers there:

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Q: What is the logical structure of this argument by a Hindu philosopher about causation?

The Khandana Khandana Khadya is a work by the 12th century Hindu philosopher Sri Harsha which in some sense sets out to disprove epistemology - it seeks to show that all putative means of knowledge, whether sensory observation, inference, or scriptural revelation, are ultimately invalid. That's ...

Pandya

12:11 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan :

@KeshavSrinivasan ^^ (As far as I understand about Vishishtadvaita) right? /cc @Tezz

Pandya

2:38 PM

I forgot to mention that Red = Universe/World = Brahman (Impure)

Keshav Srinivasan

4:10 PM

@Pandya Yeah, that's a good picture.

@Pandya And yeah, the red is just a transformation of the blue, and can change back to blue at any time. In contrast the yellow and green have always been yellow and green.

Krishn Shweta

5:03 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan I have found the answer. I belongs to Rudra Sampradaya. I asked my father so he said.

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Oh ok. So then you belong to the Pushti Marg, the sect founded or popularized by Vallabhacharya.

@KrishnShweta I discuss the Rudra Sampradayam here:

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Q: Who is sage Jalabimba and what is his connection to Vishnuswami and the Rudra Sampradayam?

As I discuss in my question here, Vishnu is said to have taught the principles of Vaishnavism to four disciples: Lakshmi, Brahma, Shiva and Sanatkumara. And in turn they started the four main Sampradayas or traditions of Vaishnavism: Sri Sampradayam, Brahma Sampradayam, Rudra Sampradayam, and Kum...

mythology shiva history vaishnavism

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan I thought to ask you about question/answer you had post regarding this.... thanks.

@SwiftPushkar Hello!!

SwiftPushkar

5:18 PM

@KrishnShweta@KeshavSrinivasan Hi both of you :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Wazzup

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan Your Questions also provides lots of info. which generally we wont get from anywhere :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar I agree with you, @KeshavSrinivasan is too Good. :)

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta Nothing , Raining over here since morning so sort of dull atmosphere here , what abt your place?

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar It's raining and your are saying it's dull. Ah!!! I wish it would rain here.

Keshav Srinivasan

5:24 PM

@KrishnShweta @SwiftPushkar Thanks for the kind words

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan need 1 meaning.

@KeshavSrinivasan In that question you said, "He quotes the Ramapatala, a purportedly centuries-old work from the Ramanandi sect which gives some information about Vishnusvami's sect"

@KeshavSrinivasan what is Ramapatala?

Is it a book name?

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Yes, Ramapatala is the name of a book written by someone from the Ramanandi sect.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan Okay :)

@KeshavSrinivasan what kind of food do you eat? I mean, which food is prepared at your home, Indian or American mostly?

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta A combination of American food and Indian food. I eat American food like pizza and French fries, and Indian food like Sadham, which is cooked rice.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan will Mantras , stotras , and other literary work of current time will get append with previous works. So after say 1000 years people will say that xyz Upanishad was written , and this this was discussions took place inbetween guru and his disciples.

Krishn Shweta

5:39 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan That's cool.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar No, Vedic ashrams take great care to make sure that the original text of the Vedas is preserved and nothing is added to it.

Krishn Shweta

I forgot one name and I want to know that.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan dose that mean all current works will not be called as puranas and upanishdas etc but will simply will be categorize as modern spiritual work after long time.

Krishn Shweta

I have watched Mahabharata in TV few months ago. So, Ghatothkach is son of Bheem, but I forgot His mother name.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta are you from Telangana , I am from Maharastra ?

Keshav Srinivasan

5:50 PM

@SwiftPushkar Yeah, they'll just be remembered as modern spiritual works, or they may just be lost over time.

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Yeah.

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Ghatotkacha's mother is Hidimbi, sister of Hidimba.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. They are devils and They lived in magical cave right?

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan ok :)

@KeshavSrinivasan We have very little presence (Hindu mythology) on Mythology SE .You also i think given some answers over there.

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Yeah, they were Rakshasas. They lived in the forest.

@SwiftPushkar So far I only posted one answer on Mythology.SE:

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A: Does Kalki appear at the end of every Kali Yuga, or just the current one?

No, Kalki only comes in this Kali Yuga, not every Kali Yuga. Let me first explain a bit about Hindu timescales. The four Yugas known as Satya, Treta, Dwapara, and Kali together make up one Mahayuga, and a thousand Mahayugas make up one Kalpa or day of Brahma. But in addition to being divided i...

Krishn Shweta

6:01 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan Okay :)

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar I also posted one question there:

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Q: Was the Kali Yuga invented in the Kali Yuga?

One of the most well-known features of Hindu time-scales is the cycle of four Yugas, known as Satya, Treta, Dwapara, and Kali. In the Satya (aka Krita) Yuga, almost all humans are good. In the Treta Yuga, most humans are good but some are bad. It's during one of the past Treta Yugas that the H...

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SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan yes

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Q: Why did Vyasa depict different Supreme Gods in different Puranas?

I see that many people (including me) remain confused about who is the Supreme God. The main reason for confusion is that in different Puranas, different Gods are shown as Supreme God, e.g., in Shiva Purana, Shiva is said to be the starter of everything and same is said in Vishnu Purana regarding...

mahabharata puranas shiva-purana vyasa vishnu-purana

Found this very interesting :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Yeah. Good question.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta do you have industrial dev corporation over there like we Have MIDC or SEZ, IT parks etc.

Krishn Shweta

6:21 PM

@SwiftPushkar I don't know that much about it but I guess I heard BPL Hyderabad, which is an industrial park

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta yes lots of IT companies in hydrabad , have you given any campus interviews

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Not yet.

@SwiftPushkar first I have to prepare my subjects. As I want to become An Engineer only. I don't want any other jobs like bank or something, who offer the Degree candidates.

@SwiftPushkar Electronics Engineer :)

@SwiftPushkar how about you?

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta Mechanical + Automobile diplomas both :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar That's Good :)

Hmmm......... what else?

SwiftPushkar

6:36 PM

@KrishnShweta Do you speak hindi?

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Ji haan :)

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta बहुत खूब , तो हम हिंदी में भी बात कर सकते है :)

@KrishnShweta or shall i write like this bahut khub ,to hum hindi me bhi baat kar sakte hain

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Haha... Hindi was my first language in school days.

@SwiftPushkar 1 more bad news... electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/253680/…

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta I also complited my school in marathi language only , unlike todays boys who are mostly in convent schools ...

@KrishnShweta i will take a look ...

Krishn Shweta

I will be back within 5 min.

SwiftPushkar

6:44 PM

@KrishnShweta western point view is not like ours , they are highly technical people , and also wont tolarate us when they see that we r related to Hinduism SE

@KrishnShweta My personal experience on skeptics SE was also bad , they just wont serms to understand our point of view , and heavily demand proofs for any of our statement

Krishn Shweta

Hmm...

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta it seems our mentalities are also different , we are more emotional rather than scientific or technical :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Yeah

@SwiftPushkar I like electronics and electrical SE. They will definitely help if we put efforts before asking them.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta yes you are right but for general questions the case is not same eg. If i ask question abt electronics (general) they will not entertain it mostly

@KrishnShweta so its good for respective profession people like scientists , doctors , engineers but for general population these sites wont be able to provide answer he seeks in simple sence

@KrishnShweta let's talj abt something else :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar there users ask question even about KCL and KVL. they still answer.

@SwiftPushkar Okay :)

SwiftPushkar

6:58 PM

@KrishnShweta whts KCL &KVL

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Kirchhoff's current law and Kirchhoff's Voltage law

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta aap ka kuldaivat kon sa hai?

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Laxmi and Narsimha Swamy.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta ohh Mera bhi Devi hai Amba Devi

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Okay...

SwiftPushkar

7:04 PM

@KrishnShweta and we marathi people all have one common kuldaivata also called "Khandoba"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahur,_Maharashtra

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Yeah. I heard about Khandoba.

Which God or Goddess do you like?

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweti Devi Saraswati and Shree Ram :)

@KrishnShweta both my fav.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khandoba

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan And you?

@SwiftPushkar Okay :)

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta have u seen old Ramayana serial from DD?

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar by Ramanand Sagar?

SwiftPushkar

7:12 PM

@KrishnShweta हाँ

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar Yep. When I was Kid :)

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta Wht masala u people use for everyday cooking? Is there some difference in that from north side and yours?

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar in my home, we won't use masala daily. But the one we use is coconut with poppy seeds and garam masala.

Like after a couple of days

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta ohh so same as ous Garam masala , i thought you people might be using some regional special species blend :)

*spice

Krishn Shweta

Hmm.. :-)

SwiftPushkar

7:23 PM

@KrishnShweta we use dry coconut Mostly in everyday cooking

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar so do know cooking?

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta not much but i love various spicies and dishes

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar cool. But I Wish we could survive without food. :-D

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta Why?

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar I said simply. But imagine how it will be.

@SwiftPushkar no food means no cooking. Implies Mothers will be free. They don't need to wake up early etc.

SwiftPushkar

7:34 PM

@KrishnShweta ohh i see , your point is noticeable:) by the way do you know one stotra called Annapurna Stotra"

@KrishnShweta which is dedicated to devi annapurna , which is symbolic to our mothers.

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar I don't know that much about our culture. :-( I'm learning these days

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta See Annapurna stotra greenmesg.org/mantras_slokas/…

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar I'll read it tomorrow because I'm using phone.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta culture is not what we can learn but we can see it in our homes societies and Tradiations , day today activities etc . So what yoy are learning ?

@KrishnShweta i mean we are born in it and are following it in our actions :)

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar oh sorry. I mean about our Gods and our scriptures.

SwiftPushkar

7:44 PM

@KrishnShweta yes thats what i was abt to write :) ok got your point

Krishn Shweta

:-)

Good night :-)

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta i was also not knowing much about vedas and upanishadas etc before comming to this site but almost grasped everything in 3-4 months , offcourse i was some what familiar with terms previously but learned lots of core things abt that here

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar that's good :-)

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta but its great yoy have ineerest in all these : )

Krishn Shweta

@SwiftPushkar can we please talk tomorrow? Because it's too late. :-)

SwiftPushkar

7:55 PM

@KrishnShweta ok :) GN ....

Krishn Shweta

Night!!!

Keshav Srinivasan

11:21 PM

@KrishnShweta Are you asking me who my Kuladevata is? My Dad's Kuladevata is the Prasanna Venkatachalapathi temple in Gunasilam:

Prasanna Venkatachalapathy Temple

Gunaseelam Vishnu Temple(Abhimana Sthalam) is a Hindu temple dedicated to Vishnu located 20 km (12 mi) from Trichy, in the South Indian state of Tamil Nadu. It is located on the banks of river Kollidam. A visit temple is believed to be a curative to the mentally challenged people, who are taken to the temple and kept in the temple premises for 48 days. At the end of the 48 days it is believed that their illness is cured by the grace of the presiding deity, Prasanna Venkatachalapathi. The temple has set up a mental health rehabilitation centre that has the official stamp of the Tamil Nadu Government...

@KrishnShweta And my Mom's Kuladevata is the Veeraraghava Perumal in Thiruvallore, which I discuss in my question here:

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Q: What scriptures describe Vishnu marrying a rebirth of the golden Sita statue?

I'm currently visiting India, and I just went to my Mom's Kula Devata, the Veeraraghava Perumal Vishnu Temple in Thiruvallore. Many things have happened in this location over the ages, including Vishnu reteaching the Vedas to Brahma after he forgot it due to his fifth head being cut off (which I...

mythology vishnu ramayana temples sita

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