Dark Souls 3

@Sterno yeha, improving scaling. Quality makes dex scaling better, but str scaling worse. Heavy is the opposite. I think refined makes it so the scaling is nearly equal? So if something used to be d/c I think it becomes c/c, or something ike that?

not 100% sure ohw refined works

Yuuki

Part of me wants armor scaling too.

But not to STR/DEX, but Vitality, Vigor, or Endurance.

Sterno

@Wipqozn Yeah, I have to assume it does something if you're already, say, C/C

Man, the stance on this frost sword is awesome

Almost makes me want to take a magic estus flask. ALMOST

Still haven't found a single secret door

This game is so much more fun without a shield

Wipqozn

1:18 AM

@Sterno A weaponw hich is already C/C might not upgrade equally though. Could become A/C t max.

Refined would make it so when you upgrade, you main that equal rating

i.e B/B instead of A/A/

Sterno

Weird

Well, I'm in the crab swamp

I still can't for the life of me backstab anything

Wipqozn

@Sterno yeah, that's where I am

@Sterno R1 is backstabbing button. I don't think R2 will work.

That's te only thing I can think of that would cause problems, aside from not being lined up properly.

Sterno

You can do it 2-handed, right?

I'm probably just not lining up right

The only time I seem to pull it off is if I'm strafing, and then, rarely

But if they're just standing there with their backs to me and I creep up on them, I never, ever get the backstab

Wipqozn

@Sterno Definitely

@Sterno Oddd. Maybe not close enough?

Sterno

@Wipqozn Maybe

Farron Coal acquired!

HOLY HELL THAT IS A BIG CRAB

Wipqozn

1:26 AM

yeah I just stayed away from that thing

@Sterno Coolio

Did you kill the black knight?

Sterno

@Wipqozn Yeah. He's the one that prompted my complaint about my failure as a backstabber

I just died while alt-tabbed out :(

Wipqozn

How upsetting

It took me a few tries, but I managed to killhim

HE was who I was bitching about earlier with INSERT ENEMY NAME HERE

He's got one attack which would one shot me

plus, you know, he swings that giant fucking sword really quick.The jerk.

Sterno

First time he killed me. Second time I killed him

Man, my character screams like a girl every time he's impaled by spear the size of a tree. What a wimp.

Wipqozn

@Sterno What a sissy

also, I figured out how I got called into a late game boss fight

Turns outthis late game boss can be fought early if you kill a certain NPC

anyways, I'm off.

tired as heck yo

LAter all

Have fun dying!

Sterno

1:54 AM

@Wipqozn Well, I'm going Broadsword right now until I can get upgrade material for the frost sword. Reinforced at only +2 it's already better, and seems to have the same moveset.

I'm not sure how much frostbite really helps, or what it even does in PVP, since all I've seen is that it hurts stamina regen. Does that even matter for monsters?

Frost sword sure looks prettier though

Reach might be different. BLEH

choosing weapons is hard

Gwyn, Lord of Cinder

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Q: What does Frostbite do?

I recently acquired the Irithyll Straight Sword and see that it does Frost damage. When fighting a boss, I noticed that eventually gave me Frostbite, though I have no idea what Frostbite actually does. Checking the wikis has been inclusive, mentioning that maybe it hinders stamina regen. What do...

dark-souls-3

Sterno

2:42 AM

@Wipqozn In case you were curious, you still fast roll at 30.0%. 30.1% is where it changes. I'm at exactly 30.0% with the sorcerer set, a broadsword, talisman, and some rings

murgatroid99

3:12 AM

I just got into a situation where I was summoned along with another guy, and there were two evil phantoms (one NPC, one human). Then the game crashed

Wipqozn

10:00 AM

@Sterno Oh cool, thanks

@murgatroid99 Well that's upsetting

@Sterno tbh I've never found status ailments to matter much at all against monsters

With the exception of bosses they and those specail tough enemies they all go down quickly enough anyways

One wiki reporters frostbite bite does damage when it's inflicted, but the other wiki doesn't.

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@murgatroid99 Didn't even realize you were playing. What class did you start as, and where are you?

@Sterno yuuuuup

@Sterno Yeah, I might do something similar.

Frost sword juts looks super cool though

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12:33 PM

Ugh I still have so much more to do in DS2

But it's fun. I like it.

Sterno

You know what's cooler than DS2?

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Dark souls 3

I know. I KNOW.

Sterno

12:49 PM

I'm basically a Jedi now

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Your powers are weak, old man.

Sterno

waves hand You wish you were playing Dark Souls right now.

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I already did wish that! You're the worst Jedi ever!

Sterno

My powers are so strong they reach into the past.

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This one guy who is my Dark Souls PS4 friend is kind of frustrating because he gets literally every name wrong for everything ever

So I get really confused when talking to him even though he gives me good advice

Sterno

12:56 PM

This boss is a dick

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The tree guy?

Ahahaha the oft-reported Patch 1.1 is a fake

DARK SOULS

Sterno

No, tree guy is dead

So is this new boss

cc @Wipqozn

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How are you finding the difficulty? My friend says it's the hardest souls game ever but I think he is just so used to 2 that some of the gameplay changes are tripping him up

Sterno

1:12 PM

Who has two thumbs and just got two Twinkling Titanite? THIS GUY

@twobugs Bosses are harder than DS2 bosses

It's hard to say though. I'm going shieldless, which I've never done

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DS2 bosses are kind of all over the place in my experience

Sterno

But DS2 bosses I'd usually beat on my first try

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Some DS2 bosses I basically murder and feel bad for the boss (Freja, Old Iron King, etc.)

Others are just really annoying (Smelter Demon, but that's mainly due to the fucking aura)

Sterno

I don't remember Smelter Demon being a problem

Honestly, hardest boss for me was Pursuer, because I was newbie.

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Pursuer was bad when I went in with crap gear

Sterno

1:14 PM

After that, the hardest was probably the Pursuer clones that would show up once in a while, and weren't actually bosses

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I came back with better gear and destroyed him because I learned all his moveset really well

The Pursuer clones are pretty nasty. They have really high stats and goofy ass hitboxes

I was behind one and his stab attack still grabbed me

Sterno

@Wipqozn I'm a little worried the Refined Broadsword +whatever is going to outclass the Irithyll Straight Sword +whatever. My Refined Broadsword +2 is already better than the Irithryll Straight Sword +1, and I think the Irithryll only goes up to +5. And the Refined will have better scaling, too, I think

Unless it gets some big boosts at later +'s

And my stats aren't even good yet. 21 dex, 14 str

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What does Irithryll scale off of?

Sterno

Irithyll is 138 +27 and Refined +2 is 126 + 49

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I assume there's some gimmick to Irithryll given that is only a +5 tree?

Sterno

1:20 PM

Str/Dex, same as the broadsword. But it's only D/D (at +1, anyway) whereas my refined broadsword is currently C/C

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Hm, that's weird

Sterno

It has a frost effect

Which doesn't really seem to matter for PVE at least

Mainly, it just looks really cool

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Ah, frost. Is there a frost bonus damage thing?

Sterno

I think it just can cause frostbite like that 2nd boss did

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I assume the frost effect has some usage

But you might be right in that it's mainly a pvp thing

Sterno

1:22 PM

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Q: What does Frostbite do?

I recently acquired the Irithyll Straight Sword and see that it does Frost damage. When fighting a boss, I noticed that eventually gave me Frostbite, though I have no idea what Frostbite actually does. Checking the wikis has been inconclusive, mentioning that maybe it hinders stamina regen. What...

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Dunno yet

Even then, if the damage scaling doesn't catch up, I doubt it will be worth it

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I upvoted you already you jerk!

Sterno

It's interesting that bleed in this one seems to just suddenly do a bunch of damage, rather than cause a DOT effect

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Can you attach an effect to it in addition to the frost thing? I.e. like put an oil on?

That might be a bonus

I know there are some trees which seem kinda crappy but have that as a benefit

Sterno

Nope. Can't put stuff like Pine Resin on it, can't infuse it

Wiki doesn't have it's +5 stats though so who knows what it looks like later

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Weird. That certainly doesn't sound very useful. Wish I was more help

Sterno

1:24 PM

I just know +1 wasn't much

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Does it still tell you what the scaling for the next upgrade will be at the smithy?

I think in 2 at least it would show you if the next upgrade would increase any of the scaling ranks

Sterno

Yeah

Sometimes it even shows an improvement but keeps the letter the same, and sometimes it doesn't, which is weird

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If it's still D/D at +2 then there has to be some sort of weirdness

Hm, maybe like a D+?

So even if +3 gets to C...

+4 C+, +5 B?

The dual scaling sounds nice but I doubt that'd be worth it until high soul levels. And that's being generous in assuming the scaling

Sterno

It's kind of weird when it gives you a bonfire after you kill a boss, and then gives you another bonfire 10 feet later

Wipqozn

@Sterno I do find it more difficult. At least the boses I fight.

However, I am going deprived, which I've never done before lol

I normally have some armor on

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1:29 PM

Yeah. Some of the bonfire stuff is weird

People say Deprived is actually the best start overall because of stat levels or whatever

Sterno

@Wipqozn We're probably about the point where that doesn't matter anymore

Wipqozn

@Sterno Numbers on wiki for the ice sword: darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Irithyll+Straight+Sword

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I was reading that for pure min-maxing Knight or Soldier might be better because they start with lower luck which is basically a dead stat

Wipqozn

@Sterno yeah

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Unless you do a luck-specific build

Wipqozn

1:30 PM

@Sterno first two bosses it mattered, though.

@Sterno +5 is 216, with C/D scaling

Sterno

So it goes to 216 C/D, but Broadsword +10 goes to DATA UNKNOWN

But I already know better than C/D

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There has to be some use to the frostbite effect

Probably something non-obvious

Sterno

"Looks awesome" is worth about 20 damage points to me

Hopefully it won't cost more than that

Wipqozn

@Sterno lol yup

Fashion Souls Best SOuls

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I'm coming up on the Lake With Missiles Hell in DS2

I must soldier onward

Wipqozn

1:39 PM

@twobugs Bows are your friend

That plafce is a pain, but a bow makes it a lot easier

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That's my plan

Bows + Magic Armor miracle

Sterno

I just had to let myself die in a tough fight because the doorbell rang

But, I guess, that's better than being at work.

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You'll pay for this someday

I'll be playing Dark Souls 4 when you're DEAD

MadMAxJr

2:03 PM

I do not like the big blue guy with the polearm in the ring of beheaded knights.

Also, with minor side quest spoilers:

Dark Souls 3 ► 15 Hidden Gameplay Mechanics

►

Sterno

@twobugs I'll pay for this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

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2:21 PM

You'll probably still be ahead of me unless I finish DS2 today

Sterno

@Wipqozn Did you kill GiantBro?

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Ah yes, I've heard about that boss too. My friend was yelling about 3 as I was playing 2

Okay there's some good info on how to improve performance for NVidia cards in this reddit thread but the guy spelled "voila" as "vollay"

I mean, I've seen/heard "walla" but... "vollay"?

Sterno

2:41 PM

I wasn't talking about a boss

Bosses don't get Bro'd

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WHATEVER

Wipqozn

@Sterno I'm not a monster, so no

Sterno

@Wipqozn Good to hear.

You talked about killing some NPC and being summoned to a boss, and I was trying to guess who you murdered

Wipqozn

@Sterno oh not me

internet person

I got summoned to a world with some boss

was curious what even, so googled, found answers

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I'm trying to prompt that guy who answered your Frostbite question for more info @Sterno but he is refusing

Just saying "oh you know it does a thing" doesn't really help

Sterno

2:48 PM

IT FILLS A BAR, MAN! WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW?

Number of messages claiming an illusory wall was ahead found so far: 27
Number of illusory walls found so far: 0

MadMAxJr

Then you find out later, there are none. They went with illusory floors.

Wipqozn

@Sterno I've found one, I think

no two

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I love to downvote those stupid messages

Sterno

Came across one with like 97 appraisals

It would be cool if you could actually see what the appraisals were, and not just that there were some

Wipqozn

@Sterno I found two with over 400

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2:51 PM

Downvoting is probably one of my favorite things in games, especially messages that are just fishing for upvotes

Sterno

I hate the "bonfire ahead" ones that are 1 foot from the bonfire

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Those are just a meme now I guess

MadMAxJr

Oh. What kind of gear does it take to kill the crystal thing in the tutorial zone where it's marked 'turn back' ?

Wipqozn

@MadMAxJr I did it naked and with a strarting club

Sterno

@MadMAxJr None. Lure it to the cliff edge and wait for it to roll off

Real men kill enemies without even striking.

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3:01 PM

Real men let all the enemies die of old age without even lifting a finger

MadMAxJr

So real men abuse the AI pattern, got it.

StrixVaria

@MadMAxJr Isn't this 100% of what playing Dark Souls is?

Figure out the enemy's pattern and then exploit it?

MadMAxJr

For me it was exploiting a pathing issue so I could go up the wall around Sif and shoot him with 300 arrows instead of fighting him.

StrixVaria

I have a feeling that trading blows 1 for 1 is generally not going to end well.

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If you're going to abstract it that much, you're basically describing all of videogames. Or even life.

StrixVaria

3:05 PM

@twobugs I didn't mean it so generically, but the bosses in Dark Souls tend to very clearly telegraph what they're going to do, which you are intended to take advantage of to avoid their thing.

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Yeah I get you

I just wanted to sound deep

MadMAxJr

HELLO HERO, I AM RAISING MY SWORD, OH GOODNESS WHERE COULD IT POSSIBLY GO

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I'd say Sterno is more talking about exploiting a bug in the AI than intended behavior, though

StrixVaria

Oh, I just jumped into the middle of the conversation without context, so I didn't know that.

Reading old messages is for squares.

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Sterno

3:33 PM

@twobugs Tricking enemies into falling to their death is a time-honored tradition that doesn't require bad AI. Just look at any Road Runner cartoon

MadMAxJr

I gave up trying to bait Dragonrider into falling off his platform and ended up just fighting him

Sterno

@MadMAxJr If you can beat him, you can beat 80% of the DS2 bosses the exact same way

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Back in the day people would push one of the Destiny bosses off their platform

They fixed that :(

Wipqozn

4:03 PM

@MadMAxJr I did that with some thing in the undead settlement

it was all "be afraid of tough enemy!"

but I was on a roof, so I just arrowed him to death and he literally couldn't do anything

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn I started as a warrior, and I'm in the Undead Settlement.

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 Cool.

murgatroid99

I've also fought the tree boss about 3 times, but only as a phantom

StrixVaria

4:28 PM

The same thing is happening with Dark Souls 3 that happened with both other games. I want to play it, even though I know I won't enjoy it. Then I'll spend $60 and play it for an hour and then stop forever. I'm trying to avoid that last part.

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Buy the thing you will hate. It is your Destiny.

StrixVaria

I won't hate it, though.

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Hahaha that was pretty good. Great joke me

StrixVaria

I'll just get stressed out and stop.

Also Destiny was pretty good.

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Stop ruining my joke

Wipqozn

4:34 PM

@twobugs TOO LATE

@StrixVaria At leaast if you buy it on PC you'll be able to refund it within 2 hours

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn If I'm getting it it's for PS4.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Are you opposed to summoning help?

@StrixVaria oh hey, me too!

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn The bosses are actually the main draw.

It's getting to the bosses that's frustrating and stressful.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria You can summon help for that

folks normally place summon signs at the start of an area, or right before a boss

StrixVaria

Oh, neat.

You are not helping.

Wipqozn

4:37 PM

Not sure if you can kick them out before the boss fight though

I never summon, but it sounds like a good solution to the issue you're having

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I rarely summon but I like to co-op. Let's me practice bosses and observe their moves in a less stressful setting. And I get rewards, too

Sterno

5:00 PM

It must suck to be at work and not playing DS3 right now.

cc @Wipqozn

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It does

Wipqozn

@Sterno It does. But what sould suck even more would be to spending time with your family all weekend and not being able to play dark souls 3.

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I hope @Sterno's children read this chat someday and learn how much they held him back

Sterno

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"Wow dad, do you really hate us that much?" "What did you say? I'm too busy playing Dark Souls to listen"

Wipqozn

5:04 PM

@Sterno This is how I'm going to picture you all weekend

It'll be great

and I'll laugh and laugh

I haven't done much work today

I just can't focus

Dark Souls 3

MadMAxJr

Fight Artorias < > Raise Child

Wipqozn

@MadMAxJr Kids can basically raise themselves now

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I tried raising my kids by tattooing "goto age 21" on them but it didn't work. Help.

Sterno

@Wipqozn I actually have only played about 90 minutes so far today

Wipqozn

@Sterno Good.

Sterno

5:08 PM

But I am a boss ahead of you now

Wipqozn

I hope that's all you play

@Sterno Boss of crab swamp?

Sterno

Mostly I've been running around an area that looks like I should be able to get into it, but I can't figure out how

Wipqozn

Did you kill the tree dude ?

Sterno

@Wipqozn Yeah

Yeah

Tree dude wasn't hard when I stopped going for anything but the hand

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I'm not being very productive today but I don't know how much of it is Souls and how much is just me learning a new job

Wipqozn

5:09 PM

@Sterno I could only damage the hand until the thing blew up. Does it grow back?

When I was fighting him everything breaks after a bit, and I had to damage something else

Sterno

Okay, Frost Sword + 2 beats Refined Bastard Sword +3

I get to be a Jedi again

@Wipqozn I never had the hand die

Wipqozn

Frost Sword will eventually be beaten again, stat wise, but some lte game sword I saw

Sterno

I'm talking about the grabby hand, not the other hands

Wipqozn

has B/B scaling at +5. Also uses twinkling.

@Sterno oh that thing

Were you able to consistently bait him into that stand up attack?

Sterno

@Wipqozn Not consistently, but he's pretty easy to stay away from until he does it

There are times you can attack it even without the stand up thing though

Wipqozn

5:11 PM

@Sterno It is. I'm impateint though.

I kept trying to arrow him, and then he'd hit me since I didn't see an attack

Sterno

Oh, I see. +2 just made strength scaling better for frost sword. It's C/D now

Figures I was prioritizing dex

Wipqozn

@Sterno I think C/D is where it finishes

Scaling will stillget better, but not better than C iirc

Sterno

Yuck

Maybe I should stop wasting twinkling on it

Wipqozn

yeah, I'm probably not going to upgrade it

It looks cool, but it doesn't seem to be that good

Sterno

I'm having a hard time being sure but I think it has better reach than the broadsword

Wipqozn

5:14 PM

4 hours ago, by Wipqozn

@Sterno +5 is 216, with C/D scaling

@Sterno It looks like it would have better reach

I feel like it's faster or smoother too

Sterno

Maybe I"ll go frost sword for twinkling and then pick a boss weapon which uses different upgrade mats

Wipqozn

@Sterno I think all bos weapons use different mats

from what I understand twinkling is used for Unique weapons. There's a different material for Boss weapons.

MadMAxJr

It's usually dragon-stuff for boss weapons.

Sterno

Exactly. I don't have to worry about "wasting" twinkling then

Wipqozn

@Sterno Supposedly there's a generous amount of it given in the game anyways. moreso than previous games.

MadMAxJr

5:21 PM

You could flat out buy twinkling in 1.

Sterno

I'm finally at the point where I no longer miss the shield.

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I like shields for parrying. Yuuki is always yelling at me to parry

Sterno

5:37 PM

20k key purchased!

Who needs to parry when you can roll and ~~backstab~~ fail to backstab?

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I'm having more trouble backstabbing in 3. I feel like they designed more enemies to have backstab counters

People were still commenting that I backstab a lot so maybe it was just mental

Sterno

Just found an Estus Flask shard, making me remember I'd found another one earlier I didn't turn in. facepalm

Up to 9!

MadMAxJr

6:03 PM

Apparently for invasions, parrying is currently a 360 affair.

As in parry works completely around you.

Sterno

I have yet to be invaded.

I'm not embered all that often though

MadMAxJr

So do cosplayers have to set themselves on fire now to be a DS3 character?

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We can hope

But if they do I think a WoW cosplay beat them a few years ago

She had this amazing costume with motorized parts but it caught fire

I wish I was playing like @Sterno is and able to ask all the questions which will earn him trillions of rep points

Gwyn, Lord of Cinder

6:23 PM

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Q: What are the pros/cons of the Dark Sigil and Hollowing?

Yoel of Londor is at Firelink Shrine now, and offering me free levels. Some basic research indicates to me that if I accept them, I'll get a Dark Sigil, which causes me to Hollow on death. And possibly other things. I've also seen some ways I can rid myself of the Dark Sigil. I'm curious what ...

dark-souls-3

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Okay, I need to stop visiting Dark Souls 3 reddit already. It's pissing me off too much

> I've decided that I would be committed to Buff Souls (10 pushups after every death). Hail swoldiers.

Wipqozn

6:56 PM

@Sterno Might actually go with an axe. They seem to stagger things a lot more than straight swords.

Sterno

My ability to avoid damage seems inversely proportionate to the number of estus flasks they give me

Wipqozn

7:25 PM

@Sterno Still trying tdecide on a weapon