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Stack Exchange Islam Blog: Iraq Part 2: Iraq in the Hadith

Al Ummat on June 15, 2014

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

In the Name of Allah most Gracious most Merciful

In the previous blog-post, I mentioned the few places in the Quran in which Iraq was mentioned or referred to. In this blog-post, I shall be mentioning what the Prophet ﷺ has said in regards to Iraq,making sure that my sources are Authentic.

The Prophet has said About Iraq:

Iraq is the land of earthquakes and trials and tribulations, and from it the side of Shaytaan’s head will comes out. Source

There will be a time when the non-Arab world will block of the people of Iraq, and the people of Iraq will go through such a hard time that they would not be able to send out their money and food at the same time. Source …

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5:50 AM

@infatuated, hi?

6:08 AM

hi, Bludream!

salam! sorry but could we know each other more? ehh would you give me a minute of your time?

mail me to bludream@gmail.com

but why not talking here?

ehh, well! it's kinda personal

this is a public room

can't we delete it soon?

at least you can mention your question topic.

nah, it's just a friendly chat with someone from my country

i wanted to know you more

and maybe have your help about some belifs of mine

or in case you go to any religious school , to have your advice on how I can attend to such an school too

and so on ..

:)

6:20 AM

tell me once you see this message.

isee it

I just added you

I got no notif. you may want to message me there.

ok

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Bleeding Fingers

9:44 AM

> to have been introduced by Abu Bakr into the Quran which was not the teachings of the Prophet

if i understand correctly. is this line saying if Abu Bakr added anything into the Quran which was not part of it?

Bleeding Fingers

10:03 AM

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3:01 PM

@BleedingFingers, yes, you're right! and thank you for sharing this question! So how can I permanently delete a message?

Bleeding Fingers

@infatuated well right now all the chat mods, including those from other sites, and the owner of the room can view it.

and if that concerns you, flag it up and it shall be taken care of

next time, if you have to delete a msg make sure you edit it to anything gibberish (Lorem Ipsum, oops, blah blah blah) and then delete it.

that's easier to handle

3:39 PM

can't even flag it now!

3:52 PM

Do you guys know any online tool to find our sarf of any Arabic word?

4:43 PM

corpus.quran does that for Qur'anic words. don't know of anything that'll do it for general Arabic words though.

Long url is long; allthearabicyouneverlearnedthefirsttimearound.com

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Bleeding Fingers

6:59 PM

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Q: Is it true that: Hazrat-Ali-Akbar (The son of Imam Hussein(a.s.)) was much similar to the Prophet(s)?

I have heard that Hazrat Ali Akbar (the oldest son of Imam Hussein (a.s.) was similar to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (too much). I wonder if it is right?

prophet-muhammad similar ali-akbar

how is the relate to the subject of islam?

Mujahid مجاهد

@BleedingFingers the descriptions of people is part of the sciences of history which is a science of Islam

Bleeding Fingers

yeah sure he was present in the battle of karbala (important in terms of islamic history) but how does it make it about islam

Mujahid مجاهد

@BleedingFingers The fact it is history

Bleeding Fingers

@Mujahidمجاهد this on-topicness of history on this site baffles me, it's so easy to stretch out it of propotion

catch everything about history with it

@Mujahidمجاهد well it's kinda true

Mujahid مجاهد

@BleedingFingers, I agree with you to a point, but the way some people are trying to limit some subjects (not only history) baffles me aswell, it is as if the only definition for Islam for this site, is questions about Salat or halal and haram.

Bleeding Fingers

7:05 PM

@Mujahidمجاهد e.g. ?

i was excited to see a few philosophical and hadith related questions lately

genuine seeming

@Mujahidمجاهد i say let them come let them exhaust themselves

Mujahid مجاهد

@BleedingFingers for example much of questions which may come about Fiqhul Waqi' would be considered too political or localized

Bleeding Fingers

at least then we can expect serious questions

problem is with the community

Mujahid مجاهد

@BleedingFingers yes I know

much of this is lack of experts

Bleeding Fingers

i would love to read opposing view under the same question

and vote on both regardless of disagreement

provide it relation with islam is correctly drawn

and so are answers

problem is we'll have to figure out where to draw a line between Politics and this site

it's also possible not to have that line at all

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Bleeding Fingers

7:12 PM

like in many area of Ask Ubuntu and Unix & Linux.

Mujahid مجاهد

@BleedingFingers really, we cannot draw much lines, the fact is each subject/science of Islam can be separated into separate SE sites, each can be successful and extremely active

Bleeding Fingers

@Mujahidمجاهد the fragility and emotion-drivenness of the community (and most of the muslims) concerns me or else i would have promoted the idea.

which mostly has to do with lack of education in the geographical region in wihch the majority of them are populated

on a related note does Christianity consider political questions on topic?

The problem really is that since Islam itself is so all-encompassing, it's hard to draw the line between what is on-topic for Islam and what is on-topic for the site.

we obviously need to draw a line somewhere, if only because that's fundamental to how the Stack Exchange model works.

is politics relevant to Islam? of course it is. is dawah relevant to Islam? of course it is. but making politics and dawah constructive on a site like this is non-trivial.

so many people are adamant against drawing any sort of line at all, which is problematic.

"on-topic" isn't and shouldn't be just about how relevant it is to Islam; it's about how constructive it can be handled on this site.

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Mujahid مجاهد

7:37 PM

I see

El'endia Starman

@BleedingFingers Like goldPseudo said, the issue is making the question/topic constructive. There have indeed been a few politics questions on C.SE, though not so many recently. Generally, as a rule of thumb, questions on C.SE are supposed to ask about doctrines and traditions that the various branches of Christianity have/believe, so it is not easy to come up with a good, constructive, and on-topic Christianity politics question.

Bleeding Fingers

true that, which basically means that OP has establish the relation between that politically question and islam/christianity

as in how is it relevant to the subject

@goldPseudo programming is a vast field too. but Stack Overflow couldn't handle it all without turning in a mess. hence there are almost 4-5 site on that topic

I can easily see I.SE splitting into multiple sites too.

Bleeding Fingers

the question is would it be it be able to sustain

but the only attempt so far since this site launched has been a proposal to create a Shi'a-only site, which completely failed to attract any momentum.

Bleeding Fingers

7:47 PM

and standup and fully fledged site

Islamic Jurisprudence in and of itself could warrant its own site as long as it had enough experts to sustain itself.

Bleeding Fingers

theoritical physics couldn't

pretty much any of the Islamic sciences could, again assuming enough experts. which we don't have.

Bleeding Fingers

@goldPseudo that was a bad idea altogether

agreed.

we did have an Islamic Jurisprudence proposal back when I.SE was also in proposal, but it got lumped together as a duplicate as I recall.

i would've liked to see that one succeed, if only because it would've probably been more "expert oriented" than I.SE turned out.

Bleeding Fingers

7:52 PM

@goldPseudo how is that?

even with our scope change to focus on academic interest in Islam, there's still pages of zero-research-effort questions getting heavy upvotes.

i don't see this site succeeding until people start voting enmasse with a notion to attract experts.

Maybe we should make "What have you researched" a thing here?

i've got a meta post rattling around in my head about "unclear what you're asking"

a lot of no research stuff could probably fall under that.

but seriously, most of those questions should just be downvoted into oblivion, not necessarily closed.

the problem is that we don't have a healthy voting culture here. drawing more lines won't fix that.

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we want to build a site about academic interest in Islam; it's not really our job to explain how academia works.

that's really no better than us explaining what Islam is to new users so they know how to answer questions from an Islamic perspective.

Most of our users seems to visit occasionally

I think it is hard to produce consistent culture with a user base like that

i disagree.

that's how the Stack Exchange model has always worked.

8:08 PM

We at least need some core user base who would go around commenting on unconstructive posts

commenting is weaksauce. i've spent a good two years doing that and have pretty much nothing to show for it.

what we need is people willing to downvote and close posts that are unacceptable.

comments are a first step, they shouldn't be the only one.

I guess people have different idea of what is acceptable and what is not.

Plus, some people who don't know or are not interested to know how SE sites work.

And, we have a good mess in our hands :D

the value of voting is in aggregate, and fundamental to the SE model. without a healthy voting culture, the whole system breaks down.

I agree, but the question "how to get a healty voting culture" puzzles me.

it's puzzled me for coming on five years now.

8:16 PM

We need more people who hang out it chat

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Culture is built by communication, I believe.

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and shared values.

If people don't care to read meta, or hang around it chat, there is no way to reach those people

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10:30 PM

It seems that, if you click on a word on aljazeera.net it will give you sarf of the word, how awesome is that?

It is still hard for me to read it without tashkeel, but it is still cool

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