@goldPseudo I don't get it. What's wrong with the "why was my post closed/deleted/downvoted/edited?" mentality?

Things get closed you bring it to the community court (meta). Discuss. Flesh out site policies. And if you have cogent case could as well get your post back up.

@BleedingFingers Nothing wrong with bringing it up on meta per se, it just doesn't engage the community. it's basically a question to exactly one person (the one who deleted the post).

compared to discussing the merits of the post with the community (e.g. "How can I improve this post?" rather than "Why was this post deleted?") and then bringing that community discussion to moderator attention if necessary.

True that. But that only in the case if the reason for deletion was mentioned as comment. Rather then assuming what was the reason. Just bring it up and ask.

@goldPseudo As a follow-up one could start another meta discussion on how to improve it and discuss it's current merits.

Of note, of the two "Why was xxxx deleted" answers I provided this morning, one has already been downvoted and BoK has already started arguing with me on the other one. Neither of which really inclines me to answer such questions in the future.

If "the actual reason as written by the only person who is actually qualified to fully answer the question" isn't considered "useful", then i really don't know what is.

...and now BoK's editing the question to make it worse :/

i'm way too tired to deal with this.

@goldPseudo I found that to be complex statement ;)

:(

@Bludream What could be done to cheer you up?

Should we bring it up on meta so that the community may weigh-in? ;)

@goldPseudo What's the context?

@BleedingFingers As I said, the "Why was xxxx deleted" class of questions really is a question to exactly one person; the one who deleted the post.

@goldPseudo Good morning would might fit in

When me, being the one who actually deleted the post, answers with a substantial post, I don't understand how that can't by default be considered "useful".

Only if the there is no comment in there stating the reason of deletion.

Unless it's blatantly obvious

and if my explanation, being the one who actually deleted the post, is not considered "useful", then why should I bother answering it in the first place?

plus it's not necessary for the one who deleted the answer to provide the answer

i think that's a false assumption

any member of the community could answer that question.

I think that's a weak question.

provided they think they know what could be the reason

And if it's not useful. Then in other words it mean that the reason of deletion is not acceptable by the community at large.

if you look at the comments on meta.islam.stackexchange.com/q/1007/22, you'll note that BoK is explicitly demanding a moderator answer, which is basically my point.

despite a non-moderator actually answering it according to his own knowledge (and being accepted, no less)

again provided that votes are left with comments explaining why

i'm not saying that you're demanding a moderator answer, just saying that the question can very easily be read as such.

BoK was not the one who asked the question

doesn't matter how it's read

plus it could be edited

community contribution

i'm just saying why i'm disinclined to answering questions of that form.

if the community wishes to involve itself, that's awesome. but in my experience, such questions go either poorly answered or unanswered entirely if the moderators ignore it.

I don't know if a moderator can overlook that question for long. It's there action that the community is seeking an answer for.

If they community doesn't answer for an extended time then, I think the responsibility rests on the one who deleted to answer the question.

Or the one who of the rank

which in this case = moderator

@BleedingFingers that's the crux of the problem right there: I rarely if ever see action that the community is seeking an answer for. I see action that one user is seeking an answer for.

What the wrong in it?

The future user and community discussion could benefit from it

Show me a community discussion arguing the merits of a deleted post, or show me a community discussion where a deleted post is improved and warrants undeletion, show me a community discussion where it shows that the person whose post was deleted is actually working with the community instead of just doing his own thing, and I'll action on that in a heartbeat.

But if it's just one user butting heads against one moderator, that's not constructive. That's not community.

"Show me" actually shifts the burden of proof.

I maybe mistakened

though

the implication that there even is a "burden of proof" is problematic.

What it be better to say: what's wrong with the post?

when the community grows to the point where high-rep users can actually delete answers themselves, and where posts are voted on accordingly (and often silently), there's really no reason to believe that explanations are going to be any more likely.

I don't see a reason why it's deleted?

could someone explain?

And how could I improve it?

"What's wrong with the post" would be better. or even "Should this post have been deleted?"

Get the community involved to discuss whether the post has any place on the site. Flag the post for moderator attention, link to that discussion, it's far more likely to get acted on appropriately.

@goldPseudo Not always the case

I see answer's that are deleted by community

If a user (not necessarily the author) want the query the reason of that deletion

that wouldn't be butting heads against one moderator

@BleedingFingers True. But given my experience, users are still likely to butt heads with one moderator (usually me when I'm the one who bothered to answer) to get it undeleted.

too many users still feel this is a "moderator run" site, rather than a "community moderated" site. until that mentality switches en masse, I doubt we're going to graduate.

As-salamu Alaikum

wa 'alaykum assalaam

@yasar11732 Wa Alaikum salam