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El'endia Starman

12:44 AM

@AlUmmatمجاهد Sounds like a "D'oh!" moment to me... :P

goldPseudo

i've been moderator for months and i'm still learning new things.

El'endia Starman

@goldPseudo Happens/happened to me too.

Al Ummat مجاهد

@El'endiaStarman :)

goldPseudo

no clue how many of the new things i'm learning are things i just never noticed, or actual new features that Team decided to silently sneak in.

El'endia Starman

@goldPseudo Well, there is at least one feature that they added in the past few days. I rather like it, actually.

Al Ummat مجاهد

12:52 AM

@El'endiaStarman What's the feature?

Ali

7:01 AM

assalaamalikum

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Q: Finer clarification on whether Building Shrine equals building Pagan Idol

Can building shrine over a grave such that some of the people(if not all) would also worship it be akin to building a pagan idol? The question stems from the hadith where the prophet pbuh explicitly equated this act to idol building: Prophet pbuh said :Do not make my grave an idol In the bo...

@Suhaib can you find arabic reference for the hadith mentioned :"grave an idol..."

Suhaib

7:29 AM

@Ali Here you go: http://islamqa.info/ar/ref/149729
btw can you read Arabic ?

Ali

ya i can

but i am not at all fluent though

Can you please extract arabic hadith and put in that question

@Suhaib

Suhaib

@Ali Ok

النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال : ( اللهم لا تجعل قبري وثنا ، لعن الله قوما اتخذوا قبور أنبيائهم مساجد )

رواه الإمام أحمد في " المسند " (12/314) طبعة مؤسسة الرسالة،

وصححه الشيخ الألباني في كتاب " تحذير الساجد من اتخاذ القبور مساجد " (ص/24

@Ali

The first line is the hadtih in Arabic

the 2nd line is the hadith which can be found in the book "Musnad" by Imam Ahmed

the 3rd line, the hadith have been regarded as "Sahih" by Al albani in the book

Tahdheer al-Saajid min Ittikhaadh al-Quboor Masaajid

@Ali

Ali

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Q: What Did Moshe (Moses) and his followers call themselves in the torah?

Wanted to know how the word "Jew" or "Yehudim" came to be used for people following prophet Moshe in the Torah, did he coin the term and does it bear a geographic relevance? And if Moshe did not call himself a Jew then what he described himself and his followers in the Torah? Update(On why it is...

history names moshe-rabbeinu am-yisrael-jewish-nation pentateuch-chumash

@Suhaib i wanted to resurrect the above question can you redit it by reformulating it so that it can be saved from bing deleted

@Suhaib jazakllah khair for help and review

Suhaib

7:49 AM

@Ali I wish I can help you, But I don't know much about Judaism. and it seems your posts looks fine.

Ali

I just want you to paraphrase and sumarize the post merging all redundant arguments and anachronistic progression of the post

Š-L-M

Shin-Lamedh-Mem is the triconsonantal root of many Semitic words, and many of those words are used as names. The root itself translates as "whole, safe, intact". * Š-L-M * S-L-M * Š-L-M * Salam "Peace" Arabic ' (), Maltese Sliem, Hebrew Shalom (), Ge'ez sälam (ሰላም), Syriac šlama (pronounced Shlama, or Shlomo in the Western Syriac dialect) () are cognate Semitic terms for "peace", deriving from a Proto-Semitic '. The word salām is used in a variety of expressions and contexts in Arabic and Islamic speech and writing. "Al-Salam" is one of the 99 names of God in Islam, and also a mal...

Suhaib

@Ali I think because you mentioned the muslim thing at the end of your post it made them think this is not a real question

@Ali why don't you remove this ?

"Muslim means obedient to one God , o when Jesus said if you are a good MUSHLAM, means if you are obedient to god then you can be like your teacher"

Ali

in chat they told me to directly ask question

i hesitated that and i was correct

Suhaib

lol

Ali

V'dibarta Bam

"And speak of them" (Deut. 6:7) This is the main Mi Yodeya com...

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Suhaib

7:57 AM

you have posted so much unkown terms. I thought I was in math.SE

wow. Why are you learning about Judaism ?

:-?

Oh, I see

btw regarding your new question

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Q: Finer clarification on whether Building Shrine equals building Pagan Idol

Can building shrine over a grave such that some of the people (if not all) would also worship it be akin to building a pagan idol? The question stems from the hadith where the prophet pbuh explicitly equated this act to idol building: Prophet (pbuh) said : Do not make my grave an idol In the b...

islamic-rules shirk sufism grave

Ali

?

Suhaib

it doesn't look like a question

I am afraid somone would flag it as "not a real question"

Ali

my main question is : does building a shrine equal to building an Idol?

coz prophet pbuh used the term "Idol"

this is a very different question and adds another perspective to this issue

Suhaib

oh I see

Ali

what i am arguing is that the act of building a shrine itself is like building an idol

So in effect converting the grave into a pagan temple

So even those who just visit the shrine with devotion towards the saint would become idol worshippers

Suhaib

8:05 AM

I think if you include the quesiton agains at the end that would clear things up. What do you think ?

like rewrite the question again but at the end

Ali

you are always welcome to edit it

Suhaib

yea but if I do that a mod will have to approve my edit

Ali

no only me

Suhaib

while if you edit your post no one needs to approve your edit

Ali

i approved ur edit

Suhaib

8:07 AM

oh I see

Ali

since i am owner

your last edit to my question was much needed , jazakallah khair

Suhaib

ok to understand your question, You are asking: Is buildng a shrine = building pagan idol ?

Ali

ya

even the kafirs view it to be an idol its so obvious

Suhaib

What about the hadtih ?

Prophet (pbuh) said : Do not make my grave an idol

Ali

Infact if you do dawah to hindus in India , they ask this question that even muslims are worshippig shrines

Suhaib

8:10 AM

ohhhh

Ali

i wanted to verify in arabic , does the prophet pbuh use the word "idol"

Suhaib

oh ok

What about the qoute from Ibn Rushid ?

when he mentioned Malik

it seems that malik has already given us the answer

oh I see

So what do you think would be the typical answer ?

Ali

are u indian\paki?

Suhaib

no, Arab

Is yes would be enough ?

Ali

thats great

Suhaib

8:16 AM

^_^

Dude, Didn't see your last comment*

aha

well untill now I have found 5 questions that needs serious and detailed answer, and I can't find the time to do that :-s

Ali

We should understand that grave worshippers are more in number

around the world

Suhaib

yea tell me about it

especially in Arab countries.

Ali

but Mashallah people are coming to Quran and Sunnah

Suhaib

yea, praise to allah

Ali

and all this happened in just last 50 yrs or so

Inshallah i will:)

Suhaib

8:21 AM

:-D

V'dibarta Bam

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