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12:24 AM

@goldPseudo @NesreenA I just want to tell you guys, since you are also moderators on islam.com, i know you probably know everything in it but since your moderators on (islam.com) I just wanted to let you know docs.google.com/document/d/…

yasar11732

12:40 AM

I was reading islam.com a bit, I guess there isn't reference policy there. Some answers are like personal opinions.

Al Ummat

reference policy?

yasar11732

I mean, you should give references and prove your point here. I don't see that on islam.com

Al Ummat

oh, yes I know I am working on some posting rules, and while I am at it I am going to do what you just said, but I never heard it as reference policy

yasar11732

I am not sure if anyone else calls it that way. I just came out of my mouth (or keyboard to be exact :) )

Al Ummat

:)

yasar11732

12:44 AM

@AlUmmat What do you think of this answer:

Al Ummat

I am trying to make big changes in the site, actually I always had, but now that I have been on stackexchange a while I see that those struggles were very small, we've got a lot f work to do, I am trying to organize the moderators right now

yasar11732

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A: Fasting using hunger control pills?

Allah doesn't want us to fast for the sake of keeping stomach empty or does He? The essence of fast is in giving up your needs/desires for Allah and bearing the effort of trying to over come them. Sahih Bukhari: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever observes fasts during the...

Al Ummat

umm, I would say it is kind of easy but that is my opinion

yasar11732

well, I agree with answer, but I didn't fidn it satisfactory.

I think it lacks evidence.

Al Ummat

no in my opinion I believe it is your answer

it provides a hadith which is very good in this case

umm.. perhaps you were expecting something from the Ihya?

yasar11732

12:47 AM

Ihya?

Al Ummat

Ihya Uloom Addeen lil Imam Muhammad Alghazali

yasar11732

I mean, people eat sahur in order for fast to be easier on them, I expected the answer to point to why taking pills is different from making sahur

Or a quote like "you should feel hunger when fasting."

Al Ummat

oh, well if you take it at suhur than you might be fine but very bad because you should eat food, if you are worried about being hungry than eat some dates, it is kind of like hunger pills, the point is to eat food at suhur, anything ingested will break some ones fast, I mean after suhur

yasar11732

You can't take pills if you are fasting, so of course you shouldn't take pills after sahur :)

But, if you take hunger control pills during sahur, would your fasting still be ok?

Al Ummat

well, i will say that it is not the point to feel hungry because of fasting the point is too obstain from that which is Shahwah (I have no Idea what it is in english)

yasar11732

12:55 AM

Lust? Hunger? Desire?

We have a Turkish word for that, but I don't know any exact English translation

I am going to sleep now.

Have a nice day.

Assalamu Alaikum

Al Ummat

Desire

Asalam Alaikum

Stack Exchange

2:08 AM

Fasting using hunger control pills? http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1546/fasting-using-hunger-control-pills?atw=1 #fasting

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 1:42 AM

goldPseudo

2:51 AM

assalaamu alaykum

Hasan Khan

Walaikum Assalam

goldPseudo

wondering how to phrase my 'non-constructive yes/no question' argument in a meta post.

also browsing through other metas to see if the issue has been addressed elsewhere.

Hasan Khan

you mean a question that can simply be answered as Yes or No?

goldPseudo

not quite. a question where the 'yes' answer is a good answer, but the 'no' answer is uninteresting or useless.

(hard to explain. i started discussing it in the chat here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5389019#5389019)

a simple yes or no is probably easier to define as non-constructive, since both the yes answer and the no answer are uninteresting or useless.

Hasan Khan

You can't reasonably answer any question in context of Islam with a simple yes or no. You have to provide justification for yes. Probably quote from quran and hadith.

goldPseudo

3:04 AM

yeah, the yes side is generally interesting for most Islamic questions.

the problem is the no side.

Hasan Khan

even with no you have to say such and such hadith or verse prohibits doing so. No?

goldPseudo

if you follow the principle that Islam is a "default allow" religion, then the "no" side would mostly be "I don't know any evidence concerning it."

but that falls into the proving-a-negative trap. you just need one person to have the evidence concerning it to make a definite ruling, and having a hundred people who can say "No, because I don't know any evidence concerning it." is inherently useless.

Hasan Khan

hundred people shouldn't be posting a new answer if they are going to say the same thing. They should up vote the first person who said it.

goldPseudo

even still, that one person would be posting an uninteresting answer. and not necessarily a useful one either.

and it would effectively be, word-for-word, the same for every question.

Hasan Khan

you mean every 'such' question?

goldPseudo

3:09 AM

yeah.

and the answer doesn't account for the knowledge of the answerer in any way. someone who literally knows nothing about Islam could answer with a one-liner that he knows no evidences supporting/condemning an issue. Should he be upvoted for that?

Hasan Khan

well if there really isn't anything regarding that topic and a lot of knowledgeable people agree with him then why not? Its a useful piece of information that certain area is vague.

Although there are often no direct statements but in quite often you can derive a ruling from some other event, hadith, verse that is related. That's how fatwa works no?

goldPseudo

but the answer is inherently uninteresting. i doubt we'd attract the type of expert knowledge we need if our site is full of such.

Hasan Khan

when anyone says experts in context of this site, I hear Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr Bilal Philips, Dr Israr Ahmed

goldPseudo

one can be expert without being a popularly known expert.

Hasan Khan

my emphasis is not on being popular

battery down! gotta hit the bed.

Allah Hafiz

goldPseudo

4:08 AM

i am so tempted to ask "Is programming on a boat haram?" just on principle.

(with boat-programming, of course)

Ansari

4:25 AM

I'll accept it as a valid question if you can find a youtube video of people programming on a boat and wondering aloud if it's haram

or a youtube video of some guy giving a speech and saying it's haram

because, you know, youtube is how we back up our claims nowadays

goldPseudo

The question would backfire for proving my point, unfortunately. One could make a fairly interesting answer revolving around 45:12 if they wanted to.

Ansari

ahah good point

seeking His bounty by coding

then one could have wars about whether coding in PHP counts as seeking His bounty :S

or whether it's open disobedience

Stack Exchange

4:44 AM

Fasting during an extended visit to another city http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1489/fasting-during-an-extended-visit-to-another-city?atw=1 #sawm

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM

Stack Exchange

5:11 AM

0

Q: What to do about the "useless negative" problem?

The "useless negative" problem (a term I just coined because I honestly don't know how else to label it) refers to an issue that I see cropping up on a lot of questions: Questions which are, at their most fundamental level, a yes/no question, where the "yes" side would prompt answers which are go...

discussion

goldPseudo

two and a half hours to write that one. i'm getting faster. :p

RobinHood

Will take double to read :P

Assalamualikum

goldPseudo

wa 'alaykum assalaam

RobinHood

have you link of any questions which you listed as example?

goldPseudo

no. i just made them up as examples.

RobinHood

5:24 AM

Suggestion@ Edit your question and remove "what to do about the" just keep "useless negative problem" its looks better and more accurate.

goldPseudo

done. also redid the example questions to make it more clear they're examples.

since pretty much any question under that pattern would apply.

RobinHood

yeah, look nice

goldPseudo

5:44 AM

i need to get my hands on a thesaurus. i am way too fond of the word "fundamental" :p

Ansari

you subliminally induced me to use it in my second sentence!

you fundamentalist

:P

goldPseudo

:p

RobinHood

to be a fundamental is ~~good~~?

Ansari

i guess it depends on how it's defined

it means more than just "following the fundamentals" of something

and it's often used pejoratively

goldPseudo

i'm all for fundamentalists, so long as they're following the right fundamentals. :)

RobinHood

5:55 AM

cent %

goldPseudo

and now i sleep. assalaamu 'alaykum.

RobinHood

Walekumsalam:) nyt

Stack Exchange

7:53 AM

How is the concept of Reincarnation treated in Islam? http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/772/how-is-the-concept-of-reincarnation-treated-in-islam?atw=1 #quran

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 7:42 AM

yasar11732

9:01 AM

Assalamu Alaikum, someone here?

Ashu

9:22 AM

@yasar11732 walaikum assalamu

yasar11732

@Ashu Can you check the English of this question?

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Q: Where does origin of order of surahs in Qur'an come from?

I know that the order in which the surahs are ordered in Qur'an (e.g first surah is Surat Al-Fātiĥah, second is Surat Al-Baqarah etc.) isn't the same order they are revealed. I guess strongest opinion is that first ayahs of Surat Al-`Alaq were first ayahs revealed to Hz. Muhammad (s.a.v). I also ...

quran

Stack Exchange

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Q: how to protest when a moderator deletes an answer based on sectarian?

I had an answer for What is the importance of the number 12 in Islam? but it was deleted. I consider it 100% on topic to question and no problem I see in my answer and a message there says "This is not an answer for the question; please use answers to answer questions" really I do not know any...

feature-request

yasar11732

it sounds weird to me :)

Ashu

i havent made much change

I know that the order in which the surahs are ordered in Qur'an (e.g first surah is Surat Al-Fātiĥah, second is Surat Al-Baqarah etc.) isn't the same order they are revealed. I guess strongest opinion is that first ayahs of [Surat Al-`Alaq][1] were the first ones revealed to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v). I also heard that the order of surahs in Qur'an have been made after the death of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v). What is the origin and reasoning behind the order of ayahs in Qur'an?

just changesd HZ to prophet

yasar11732

Ok, how does title sound?

Ashu

9:28 AM

@yasar11732 i suggest it would be better to sound like "Order of the ayahs of the Quran"

we have to keep in mind to keep the title in compliance with search engines

i mean whwn you search for a particular topic the keywords that you would ener into the search should be there in your title

yasar11732

@Ashu Thanks a lot.

Ashu

actually i think it is a dupe

wait a sec

aha here

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Q: How was the order of the Qur'an decided?

As far as I know, the first time the Qur'an was compiled into one volume was by Abu Bakr, during his term as Khalifah (Caliph). My question is, how did they decide what order to put surahs in? For example, why did Surat Al-Nas come before Surat Al-Falaq? What caused them to decide the order?

quran revelation

i had answered that

now i remember

@yasar11732 what do you think?

yasar11732

Yes, it is definitely dupe :)

I am going to delete mine.

Ashu

@yasar11732 sorry

yasar11732

@Ashu There is nothing to be sorry about :)

Ashu

9:35 AM

i'l BRB .. i have to have lunch

Ashu

10:37 AM

Assalamu Alaikum

Stack Exchange

11:02 AM

Do the teachings of Physics and Astronomy contradict the teachings of Islam? http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1174/do-the-teachings-of-physics-and-astronomy-contradict-the-teachings-of-islam?atw=1 #science

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Al Ummat

11:43 AM

Asalam Alaikum

ashes999

1:27 PM

wa'alikum as-salaam

Al Ummat

@ashes999 how are you today?

ashes999

@AlUmmat alhamdulillah, I'm okay so far; we'll see how it progresses though :)

Assalamu Alaikum

wa alaikum salam

wa'alikum as-salaam

1:29 PM

@Ashu how are you today?

Ashu

alhamdulillah, I too am okay so far; we'll see how it progresses though :)

ashes999

1:44 PM

...

Al Ummat

@ashes999 what is ...?

ashes999

Nothing, just vaguely amused (bemused?) about being copy-pasted :)

Al Ummat

ok

Stack Exchange

2:05 PM

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Q: why this answer is deleted?

(this question is separated tom another question by suggest of a user in comments and that question was edited.) here is (was) my answer to What is the importance of the number 12 in Islam? I mentioned this answer is according to shia Islam. although Accoding to Shia Islam The importancs is...

discussion on-topic-definition

Special worship on the night of mid-Sha'ban (also known as Shab-e-Barat) http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1203/special-worship-on-the-night-of-mid-shaban-also-known-as-shab-e-barat?atw=1 #sunnah

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Al Ummat

2:53 PM

Asalam Alaikum @goldPseudo

goldPseudo

wa 'alaykum assalaam

Al Ummat

3:07 PM

I have a question

lets say that a member joins and never has been on stackexchange before, how long would it take them to learn the rules?

ashes999

probably depends how long they've trawled SE sites. some people "get" the culture of SE, even though they're just passive viewers for years.

Al Ummat

and one more question, how many rules are there? I know there are a lot but I would like to know the number

does this site have it's own set of rules along with stackexchange? I mean I know there are some but I want to know if there are some that are not based on posts from the SE blog

goldPseudo

there's very few actual "rules," since each SE site makes it's own.

it's mostly a case of fitting into the culture and knowing how to use the system.

Al Ummat

well earlier I was thinking I was thinking why is no one joining, or getting a lot of members, so I thought that perhaps it is the rules and how they ar that keep people from joining

what do you think?

goldPseudo

i think it mostly goes back to the front-page issue. as long as new users see the sort of behaviour we expect when they read through the posts, they'll behave accordingly.

Al Ummat

3:21 PM

Salam Alaikum @HasanKhan

how are you

?

goldPseudo

it's not so much a matter of knowing a list of rules as it is a matter of fitting in to the community.

Hasan Khan

W'salam

Im good how are you?

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo well I kind of know that, but I was wondering that perhaps, since this site is part of SE it intimidates them or something

ashes999

Agreed, there's no "laundry list" of rules

you just post good questions, behave civilly, and you'll fit right in :)

(or good answers)

Al Ummat

ok

ashes999

3:30 PM

@AlUmmat we have that especially here, a lot of newcomers to SE show up on Islam.SE

if there are specific questions, sure, we can help out there as a community

"what is a good quality question" for example

yasar11732

Assalamu Alaikum

goldPseudo

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Al Ummat

@yasar11732 Wa alaikum salam

yasar11732

I don't think rules scare new people off.

It is still early, more people will come inshaAllah.

Al Ummat

Agreed. Insha'Allah

yasar11732

3:35 PM

@AlUmmat I guess you were moderator on islam.com, can't you advertise this site there?

Al Ummat

I can not in posts, it is forbidden to advertise in posts. but I can put a link in my profile though like NesreenA. But I am still working on Islam.com so i do not think I am ready to do that just yet

yasar11732

Hmm, what are two diamond mods on islam.com?

Al Ummat

they are the admins

administrators

yasar11732

4:35 PM

Is this answer ok?

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A: What is the role of free will in Islam?

According to some sufist, one should give up his/her own will in order to fill your hearth with gods will. Here are some quotes from different writings of Rumi A soul which is not clothed with the inner garment of Love should be ashamed of its existence. Be drunk with Love, for Love is all that ...

ashes999

It doesn't really seem to answer the question, except the last P.S. bit

Al Ummat

agreed

Stack Exchange

4:48 PM

Eid: Stipulation of number of days is shar'ee? http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1559/eid-stipulation-of-number-of-days-is-sharee?atw=1 #sharia

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 4:42 PM

yasar11732

Other parts are source and mentioning that this is sufi view

ashes999

maybe it's an interpretation thing? it seems kind of out of place to me.

yasar11732

Sufists find it necessary to give up one's own will an embrace the will of beloved.

It is not strictly islamic law, but it is still tasawwuf.

It is aimed for personal purification.

If it is out of place, I will delete it.

Al Ummat

5:06 PM

no dont

yasar11732

5:16 PM

Does SE allow question merging?

Ansari

@Ershad - is everything OK? Haven't seen you around in a while. I hope you didn't decide to give up on the site or anything!

yasar11732

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Q: Does Islam allow to keep any pets related to the dog family?

Can muslims keep pets such as foxes or wolves because they aren't exactly full breed dogs? Or can they not keep anything that is in the dog family as a pet?

quran islamic-rules hadith pets

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Q: What kind of pets can I keep in my house?

Islam considers cleanliness very important, and keeping some kind of pets can sometimes be a burden in terms of cleanliness. This looks like a contradiction to me. Is there a law about keeping pets? Did Rasulallah (S) keep any pet?

cleanliness pets home

Two of them covers the same topic.

yasar11732

5:39 PM

@goldPseudo @Ansari @ashes999 what do you think about above 2 questions?

goldPseudo

they're not exact duplicates.

ashes999

looks like the dogs one is a subset (more specific) than the pets one

I would personally prefer that type of question for the site -- specific, targeted, specialized (expert?) questions.

goldPseudo

the subset question can be answered without bringing in any of the 'irrelevant' information from the other question.

a good answer could include a link to the 'more complete' answer.

Ansari

yeah i don't think they need to be merged

ashes999

yeah

yasar11732

5:42 PM

ok than.

ashes999

@yasar11732 I think there's an option to flag a question as dupe so that mods will see it

yasar11732

Yes, I remembered that after I asked here.

ashes999

Although that should probably be for cases that are 100% duped; this seems to be discussion-worthy at least

which makes me think, meta

yasar11732

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Q: Should subset question be closed as duplicates?

Consider these 2 questions; Does Islam allow to keep any pets related to the dog family? What kind of pets can I keep in my house? First question is a subset of second question. Answer the second question should be enough to answer first question. They cover the same ground in some sense. On t...

discussion

goldPseudo

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ashes999

6:02 PM

+1 @goldPseudo

have you guys had any success attracting contributers to the site?

goldPseudo

i had some jehovah's witnesses come to my door. i spent about as long selling them on the site as they spent selling to me.

don't know if any of it stuck.

ashes999

hahaha

goldPseudo

otherwise i've been word-of-mouthing it to anyone i think would make a good contributer.

Ansari

did you tell them they could try to convert people on christianity.SE? :P

ashes999

I need to send an email to one of my acquaintances, and I'm not sure how to sell him on the idea of the site

goldPseudo

6:06 PM

i think i mentioned tangentially that there was one on christianity as well. can't remember the exact conversation.

ashes999

blocked it out of your memory? :)

goldPseudo

no, i just don't remember details well. :p

ashes999

@Ashu by the way, the two eids (eid and bakra eid) are in Arabic called Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha respectively.

TRiG

@goldPseudo Ha. I'm an ex-Witness.

@goldPseudo We could do with some Witnesses on Christianity SE. There's two ex-Witnesses (one atheist, one still a Christian of some sort), but not active ones.

Stack Exchange

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Q: Should subset question be closed as duplicates?

Consider these 2 questions; Does Islam allow to keep any pets related to the dog family? What kind of pets can I keep in my house? First question is a subset of second question. Answer the second question should be enough to answer first question. They cover the same ground in some sense. On t...

discussion

Ashu

6:51 PM

@ashes999 thanks i know that... i only wanted to know which is the 3rd and 4th and so on

Al Ummat

7:24 PM

I do not think I totally I understand this Hadith

can someone explain to me what the duty aside from zakat on money is

The Hadith

http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/3/43

ashes999

7:53 PM

@AlUmmat ask it on the site :)

Stack Exchange

The "useless negative" problem http://meta.islam.stackexchange.com/questions/355/the-useless-negative-problem?atw=1

Tweeted by StackIslam on July 17, 2012 at 7:42 PM

yasar11732

This question seems to be off-topic to me.

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Q: How do banks make money if interest is prohibited?

I know that Islamic Banking involves the prohibition of interest based loans. But how do Islamic Banks make profit if they charge no interest?

riba banking finance

It is essentially a business administration question.

it already says interest is prohibited.

ashes999

8:22 PM

feel free to vote to close

that's why we have that feature :)

Al Ummat

what do you think about the question?

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Q: What duty on a wealthy aside from zakat is there?

I read a hadith saying that there are other duties on a wealthy person other than zakat, well I am wondering what those duties might be? The Hadith: Fatimah bint Qais narrated that : she asked -or, the Prophet was asked - about Zakat, and he said: "Indeed there is a duty on wealthy aside f...

zakat money

ashes999

+1

can you link back to sunnah.com?

Al Ummat

ok

i did

Al Ummat

8:42 PM

I have another question

ashes999

na'am

Al Ummat

I do not know how to put this though so tell me if you do not understand

would saving for something very expensive in the future that may cause you a debt in the future, be considered a debt right now?

do you understand?

ashes999

I don't think it would be, that's an odd question

it sounds like "would saving up to buy a house be considered debt right now, because I have to pay off the house"

is that what you mean?

Al Ummat

no I am trying to answer this question

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Q: Zakat Calculation: College Tuition or other big expense

I originally asked this question which I am splitting up. College Tuition: Saving for a future expense, say kids' college tuition, does it count under Zakat's rule? since if your kids are young, they have several years before this comes around hence will be idle, but is a significant expense and...

zakat

when I recalled that in the hanafi school it says that

if one was to pay off all of his debts and in the end because of paying all the debts the money does not add up to the nisaab

zakat is not wajib on him

so I also recalled that it is liked not to get debts or too much debts that can not be payed off for fear one might die without paying the debt

so what I am asking

ashes999

yes

Al Ummat

8:52 PM

would like taking the money away from the money which is supposed to be given as zakat, to save for a important but expensive thing, (like college tuition or other important thing) be okay? (wow, it feels like that I wrote it wrong above)

like if you are in fear of debt

would it be okay to take of the money of zakat to save to stay out of debt

I hope you understand

it is like my mind is asking one thing but my words are asking another, so do you understand?

ashes999

yeah I understand

I think your answer is about "is this a shari'ah loophole"

the answer would be, zakah is full of loop-holes

you can do it in dunya, and Allah will know about it, and you will be accountable for it in the hereafter

some ulama consider anyone in debt under one of the eight categories mentioned in that ayah

9:60, those in debt

not sure what the hanafi madhab says though

Al Ummat

what is a loophole?

ashes999

loophole is a way to get around a ruling with the intention of avoiding it

for example, you mentioned nisaab and hawl

for example, I could take all my money out the day before I hit the hawl, and put it in an RRSP

then the next day, take it and put it back into my bank account

then I could cry "oh, I didn't meet the requirement of hawl and nisaab" -- when in fact, I used a loophole to avoid paying zakah

does that make sense?

(don't get any ideas :P )

Al Ummat

yes I understand

(don't worry :P)

ashes999

does it answer your question?

Al Ummat

9:02 PM

yes

:)

ashes999

btw, in saudi, apparently a lot of the royalty hire people just to find all the loopholes in zakah

because their zakah is on the order of millions, I think, if not more

Al Ummat

you mean so the royalty don't give zakat?

ashes999

I've heard that they hire people who specialize in zakah, and employ them for the purpose of finding loopholes to minimize the amount of zakah they have to pay.

Al Ummat

well, AllahA'laam

thank you for answering my question/s :)

ashes999

glad to help :)

Al Ummat

9:22 PM

I found this

it may benefit you Insha'ALlah

central-mosque.com/fiqh/Zakat.htm

it is of the hanafi Madhab

since you were saying above you wouldn't know what the hanafi madhab would say

@ashes999

ashes999

jazakumullahu khayran @AlUmmat

I admit, I won't read this :)

when I studied zakah, we did so through the lens of Shafi'ee fiqh, although Hanafi fiqh has some awesome distinguishing elements

like their definition of "assets" doesn't include intangables that are otherwise covered by copyright/trademark, like the McDonalds arches (which have a value in our world, but are not tangible per-say)

anyway, gotta go, inshaAllah we'll chat more tomorrow :)

as-salaamu 'alikum wa rahmatullah (y'all)

Al Ummat

@ashes999 Wa alaikum salam :)

Al Ummat

10:00 PM

Does anyone know what the Ayah is that says to not take disbelievers as friends? what surah and Ayah number is that?

goldPseudo

3:28

(among others)

Al Ummat

thanks

:)

Al Ummat

10:37 PM

would an atheist be the best translation for the word Kafir?

goldPseudo

disbeliever.

Al Ummat

ok

TRiG

@goldPseudo Which is a far more generic word, as it would include believers in other religions.

Al Ummat

thanks

goldPseudo

it's not a perfect translation, i admit. but atheist is only a particular species of kafir, disbeliever is far more inclusive.

Al Ummat

10:40 PM

Hello/salam Alaikum @TRiG

TRiG

@AlUmmat Hi.

Al Ummat

hello

goldPseudo

"أفرأيت من اتخذ إلهه هواه وأضله الله على علم وختم على سمعه وقلبه وجعل على بصره غشاوة فمن يهديه من بعد الله أفلا تذكرون"

that is (roughly) what an atheist is. so an atheist is kafir, but not all kuffar are atheist.

Al Ummat

yes

some are mushrikoon

goldPseudo

exactly.

Al Ummat

10:46 PM

and some Mushrikoon Mutakabiroon

like Fir'aun

umm. I wonder if there are other categories aside form those under Mushrik and Mutakabir, do you know any?

goldPseudo

can't think of any. mushrik covers quite a lot, really.

Stack Exchange

11:03 PM

Great answer: What actions would constitute zina? http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/816/what-actions-would-constitute-zina/818?atw=1#818 #haram

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Al Ummat

@TRiG do you know what a Mushrik and a Mutakabir is? it just to me that you might have not understood

TRiG

@AlUmmat I don't recall even discussing the words.

I might not have understood what?

Al Ummat

above I put a few more category of disbelievers aside from atheists, and I put them in transliteration, and since you were here i thought that you may have not understood the words

yasar11732

11:31 PM

Assalamu Alaikum

Anyone here?

goldPseudo

wa 'alaykum asslaam.

i'm only sorta kinda here (at work right now)

yasar11732

How does this answer look?

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A: What should the punishment be for someone who closes his heart to Allah?

Surat Al-Baqarah (2:256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing...

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 wa alaikum salam

I am here

it is fine but I do not like the question

not everything has to have a punishment in this world

yasar11732

I updated the answer with one more ayah.

goldPseudo

yeah, i'm not fond of the question, but the answer is good.

were it i, i would mention that the punishment is up to God, not us.

Al Ummat

11:40 PM