The Bridge

Fredy31

12:10 AM

Well, how to start with children and finish with a dildo. drawception.com/viewgame/7LyAHFj8j9

James

9th frame made me laugh drawception.com/viewgame/dLfwbW3PsM

I can not help but feel a certain amount of pitty for the people partaking in that game

There are a lot of 'Really? That is what you draw for the phrase?' Followed by "Ugh, That is what you think that is!?"

FAE

@Tristan That was the gaming website on that monitor, wasn't it? XD

badp

12:30 AM

blech, 3.5k "yens" short of a praxis point

oh well. Nite

FAE

Gah, @Strix, sorry, that looked more brown than orange to me

FAE

12:48 AM

@agent86 Please to be nuking

and/or we need more offensive flags on that

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BenBrocka How is this one line question that got a guide answer:

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A: What is the best build to pubstomp as Mundo jungle?

http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=21255 What this guide states is that he is a high ELO jungler that does run mundo. Runes 9 Flat Attack Speed Reds 9 Flat Armor Yellows 9 Magic Resistance Per Lvl Blues 3 Flat Movement Speed Quints. Why these runes? Attack speed to clear faster, thus maki...

In any way worse than this one line question that got a guide answer?

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A: How do I use biotic charge effectively?

Once More Unto the Breach! Or, A Young Vanguard's Primer on the Proper Disregard for Personal Safety The first lesson to properly using Charge is to Upgrade Charge. The ability really feels very weak at low ranks because it's not until you've upgraded it that you get the tools you need to survi...

@Rapida I'm just not sure why long answers are supposed to be bad?

Last I checked they were a good thing.

Rapida

@LessPopMoreFizz I don't view them as negatives ( even write a lot of them).

I think that is what brought up his comment, my Udyr and Wriggle's answers

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz Because the scope of this question is much larger in that it's asking for a "best" build when the only discernible goal of the OP's is "pubbie stomping," which isn't a helpful metric at all.

Brant

Nice post from a new user: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/59534/…

Rapida

@Brant I take credit for it, pseudo points, thanks to my comment

Brant

12:55 AM

oh

I didn't see the first revision.

Rapida

Either way, I feel like positive encouragement will get him to do it in the future

So upvote away

FAE

I mean, they at least specified that they want to jungle with him, but... that's it. No info on what they tried and failed or anything.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE And in what way is that any more detailed than yx.'s question about using Biotic charge? "I tried to use it and got shot a lot. How do I do more better?"

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz I don't think yx.'s is that great either, but it's at least only about a single power, not an entire champion build.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE From what I've seen, a single champion build is a perfectly acceptable problem space that can be cleanly answered in an answer here. It seems like a fine fit for the site.

FAE

1:00 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz I disagree. A single champion build asking for clear, specific goals or dealing with specific build problems is a decent fit for the site. Asking for a global "What is best?" is not.

Which is why questions like this:

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Q: Lane combinations?

What is the best lane combination? If you pick a range AD carry and a support champion, will you be able to harass the enemy duo or will you have a stable, farming lane with as low action as possible? Would it be better to pick one AD melee and a mage hero for high damage, combined with constan...

league-of-legends

0

Q: What is the best bot lane combo in Solo Queue?

What is the best support/AD carry combo for bottom lane? I know Taric/Sivir or Alistar/sivir is really powerful, also Tristana/Janna but what is truly THE best combo and is seen most in competitive play?

league-of-legends

0

Q: Which Champion is the AD best carry?

Hey I need help figuring out which champion is best in the AD carry spot. I currently play Tristana and Corki, but would love to switch to someone new.

league-of-legends

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE See, the difference I see is that those questions don't restrict to a single champion. The problem space for those questions is effectively multiplied exponentially by that.

Would you have a problem with the question "How do I play an Infiltrator effectively?"

Or for that matter

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Q: What's a good soldier set-up?

What should I be going for as a soldier?

mass-effect-3

Wipqozn

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's a different question though. "What is an effective build" vs "What is the best build" are very different.

LessPop_MoreFizz

It's not a particularly good question, but it's not a bad one.

@Wipqozn Not really, it's just semantics. If the semantics bother you that much, edit the question.

Fundamentally it's still essentially laying out a problem space and asking how to effectively navigate it.

@Wipqozn Changing "what is the best" to "What is good" doesn't alter the question in any meaningful way except for soothing your pedantry about subjectivity.

Which, if you're trying to send a message about how SE works, might still be worthwhile pedantry.

But lets call a spade a spade. It is not a good reason to close or down vote the question.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz I believe that the problem space of a single champion in LoL is more complex than asking about a class in ME3.

I'm not disputing the fact that there may be a most effective build for Dr. Mundo in certain situations and with certain build goals in mind. But we have no idea what those are on this question other than "pubstomping" which is still not very clear because we don't know if this guy means solo queueing or in a team or what.

It's only "the best", and in this case, we need to know "the best at what" and we don't.

agent86

apologies, was AFK

Ben Brocka

1:12 AM

Interesting but complicated way to help new users orient themselves...

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Q: Create a guided tour for new users

New users of a Stack Exchange site may not fully understand how the site works. For example, the user may not know how to vote, what reputation is, how to format a question or answer, or how to navigate the site. While the FAQ and privilege pages may offer enough information to teach new users ...

feature-request new-users tutorials

@FAE Are you saying someone is getting THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST of us?

@LessPop_MoreFizz it's just a very strong indication that they're not asking a focused question. The question is short, little time to establish focus. The resulting answer is long, also indicative that there's a ton to talk about.

James

1:30 AM

We are here because you are looking for the best of the best of the best. Sir.... With Honors...

Ben Brocka

@Rapida That's not the problem, the problem is one line questions about complex topics. It's basically a guide-rec at that point. If the question is "teach me everything about X" that's not really a question

Lazers

0

Q: What does the Stasis upgrade "Bonus Power" affect?

Does it only give you the chance of a bonus power when you use Stasis, or does it apply to all abilities?

mass-effect-3

tzenes

@FAE I would strongly disagree with this statement

I think LoL is less forgiving of failure than ME3, but no more complex (and in some cases demonstrably less complex)

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:47 AM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call this the worst album of 2012

FAE

@tzenes If ME3 MP had a PvP mode that pitted you against people instead of just Horde mode against AI, I could probably agree with you, but I don't think someone in ME3 MP has to deal with the same situational complexity of LoL with going against different laning comps, non-ranked vs. ranked play, and the variety of not just champ builds but item builds available in various permutations.

tzenes

@FAE That's what I refer to when I say less forgiving, but on the complexity axis you have to consider all the different encounters and controlling 3 different people at the same time

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz You have given me no compelling reason to sign up for an account just to listen to that.

tzenes

I don't know if you've played on Insane yet, but it's fucking hard

you're strategies shift dramatically

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria Her cover of Maps will give you a seizure if you know/like the original.

tzenes

1:52 AM

and every fight requires a different one

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz Is that a whole cover album? I saw Nothing Else Matters, which is a Metallica song...

I do like Maps, but I can't imagine a cover of it.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria Seeing as the title of the album is 'Covers', yes. Yes it is.

And it's a terrible cover album.

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz Pssh. It could have meant like bedsheets.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz as in Yeah Yeah Yeahs' Maps?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Her 'Wake Up' (as in the Arcade Fire track) is stupendously bad too.

@FAE Yes.

it is... it is a thing.

It must be heard to be believed.

FAE

1:53 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz ...whaaaat.

LessPop_MoreFizz

and then it will never be forgotten.

StrixVaria

►

This is literally killing me.

LessPop_MoreFizz

She also covers Sublimes 'Smoke 2 Joints' with predictably terrible results.

@StrixVaria The last 30 seconds are the best part.

Just FYI if you were going to stop listening early.

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz "Best" as in "absolute worst" or "best" as in "not as unbelievably bad as the rest"?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria Can't it be both?

StrixVaria

1:56 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz sigh let me skip forward

Why is this so fast.

Tim Stone

Thank god the song is less than three minutes long.

FAE

@StrixVaria I am trying to reply to @tzenes but bloody hell I can't even think while this is playing.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE OH SAY SAY SAY

FAE

WHAT IS THIS.

oh god the... crescendo... if you want to call it that...

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE It is the sound of a once well regarded artist disappearing so far up her own ass that, ouroboros-like, she has sprouted from the other end.

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Tim Stone

1:59 AM

THE SONG IS OVER, BUT THE HORRORS WON'T LEAVE MY HEAD

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz An ouroboros keeps choking on its tail though, and it really would've been preferable had she done that because at least she'd probably be quiet.

Tristan

@FAE Yes. It was the Gaming website.

StrixVaria

@Tristan Your Link drawing was ridiculously good. I tried to draw Link for someone else earlier today and the results were much, much worse.

Tim Stone

I think the alt-fire mode of this gun is to just play that song.

StrixVaria

I was able to salvage mine by writing "HYAAAAAAAA" across the whole image, though.

tzenes

2:02 AM

@FAE if it makes you feel better i"m playing LoL right now

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot You are red again.

Tristan

@StrixVaria Thanks! =D

EBongo

This is the most insane cover I have ever heard

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria bbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Lazers

0

Q: Can my items be stolen if I leave them somewhere?

I haven't bought a house, but I have my own quarters as [spoiler] : If I put some items in a chest by the bed, will they stay there permanently until I remove them... or could they be stolen by NPCs, disappear over time, etc.? On a related note, I've noticed that items remain until I come ba...

skyrim items

OrigamiRobot

2:04 AM

@tzenes I wanna do stuff

tzenes

rapida is on

LessPop_MoreFizz

SouthCarolina.jpg

FAE

@tzenes Anyway, my main point is is that the question as structured is basically a general guide-rec with no granularity to it, and I don't think those are a very good fit for the site.

tzenes

@FAE I never saw the original question

FAE

@OrigamiRobot GW2 Pre-Purchase Retailers were announced

tzenes

2:09 AM

though I would point out we did do general guides for all 3 starcraft races

and I know of few games more complex

FAE

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Q: What is the best build to pubstomp as Mundo jungle?

What is the best build to pubstomp as Mundo jungle? I have seen so many and tried so many but want to know from someone who plays him a lot.

league-of-legends

OrigamiRobot

@FAE D3 man, D3

James

Hehehe

L4D2 at 5760x1200 is Fuuun :)

Ian Pugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz you could consider taking 81 to 77, keeps you out of Richmond

tzenes

@FAE ok, poorly phrased but fairly well constrained

FAE

2:16 AM

@OrigamiRobot Which you probably still haven't pre-ordered yet, have you?

OrigamiRobot

@FAE dot dot dot

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Mmhmm.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM

FAE

what the hell is wrong with my chat userlist

tzenes

btw, Pubstomp means an abusive build

FAE

2:17 AM

It's got 6 people, then 1 on a new line, then 15, then 4

tzenes

designed to take advantage of people who aren't familar with the game

Sterno

@FAE me too

tzenes

as opposed to a conservative build

FAE

@tzenes Yes, I realize this, but it's still not a very helpful metric.

tzenes

it's an extremely helpful metric

it's like saying you want a rush build in ZvP

specifically against 1 Gatting protoss

I feel like that is a question somewhere on the site

FAE

2:19 AM

@tzenes Analogy's completely lost on me, as I don't play SC at all.

tzenes

You've defined the objectives of your build, and your opponents build

your build: Jungle, specifically concerned with ganking in lanes

your opponents: conservative few wards

likely to push towers

StrixVaria

Relevant:

Mar 23 at 11:21, by LessPop_MoreFizz

game recommendations are off topic, as well as recommendations of things that are like games (i.e., Mods.). Last I checked however, recommendations of how to go about playing a game, including aspects like character, item, or weapon selection, are kind of the whole god damned point of our website.

Specific strategy questions are the best kinds of questions, as far as I am concerned.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@IanPugsley Yeah, but overall substantially slower so long as I can stay out of DC during rush hour, which I should be able to.

StrixVaria

Questions about how mechanics work are good and useful, but the real meat and potatoes of our site, where the expertise comes in, is the strategy.

FAE

@StrixVaria I definitely agree with this, but I did not feel that the question linked was very specific.

and others disagree

Raven Dreamer

2:23 AM

Whew.

I return from the road.

I should probably not be made navigator for any road trips anytime soon.

StrixVaria

@FAE I'm kind of loosening my iron-grip on what should be closed and opened recently. It might not be the best question we've ever seen, but it's not an unanswerably bad question either.

Mana

@RavenDreamer Laaaaaame.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@RavenDreamer It is a good thing you know me?

Raven Dreamer

I think I started off going the wrong direction on every highway I went down.

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