@Paulster2 Twarnt me that held it. It isn't really a mechanical problem, of course. It's a little annoying that the chat is so difficult to casually discover.

@bobcross ... I guess Larry then ... You two look so much alike, I get you mixed up, ;-) Yes, I didn't much like that question for this site either, but found at least a partial answer so thought I'd answer it. Learned some in the process as well.