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12:12 AM
@ToddMinehardt again hiding from chat while editing
 
... and answering
 
not nice from him doing everything so secretly
 
He will earn the Heinzelmännchen badge.
 
maybe he allready has gained the Heinzelmännchen badge secretly ಠ_ಠ
 
The Heinzelmännchen are a race of creatures appearing in a tale connected with the city of Cologne in Germany. The little house gnomes are said to have done all the work of the citizens of Cologne during the night, so that the inhabitants of Cologne could be very lazy during the day. According to the legend, this went on until a tailor's wife got so curious to see the gnomes that she scattered peas onto the floor of the workshop to make the gnomes slip and fall. The gnomes, being infuriated, disappeared and never returned. From that time on, the citizens of Cologne had to do all their work by...
 
12:20 AM
@Todd Heinzelmännchen Minehardt
 
12:31 AM
@PH13 - you called?
editing is serious business, man
 
you called, master
 
I know that ... super often there is a nice orange pop up that tells me, that another was editing xD
 
what a lovely surprise! ;)
hi @Loong - how's it going?
 
@ToddMinehardt fine, thanks; but it's late here
 
12:33 AM
right, you guys should be asleep instead of hanging out in a chemistry chat room :)
i'll catch you both tomorrow - i'm off - cheers!
 
it's only 2.34 am ... pfff
@ToddMinehardt good night ^^
 
@ToddMinehardt cu
 
you - whoever feels talked to - need to explain LiamH's thinking to me, when he commented [this question](http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/35035/bromate-forming-in-open-water) with: *It can also occur when water is treated with chlorine and subsequently exposed to sunlight.*

$\ce{Cl2 + H2O ->[h\nu] BrO3-}$
light enhanced nuclear fusion?
 
Addition of chlorine can release reactive bromine (from stable forms like bromide - if present)
chlorine + bromide → chloride + bromine
 
ok ... that's legit
 
 
8 hours later…
8:24 AM
@PH13 In messages like this when you cheat "enter" to get a new paragraph you don't get mark up. ಠ_ಠ
 
 
3 hours later…
11:19 AM
hahahahhahahahhaha
 
HAHAHHHHHHAHAHHAHAHA
 
yes, yes indeed
 
At what?
 
no reason
wrote a big answer on Earth Sciences
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A: How strong can a glacial icequake get?

santiagoOne way to estimate the upper limit of the magnitude is through observations and measurements. According to the article Seismic Wave Interactions Between the Atmosphere - Ocean - Cryosphere System and the Geosphere in Polar Regions, a couple of difficulties with determining how large ice-quakes ...

 
I wanted to write an answer at chem, just to get beaten by a crap answer.
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Q: Molecular formula of a hydrocarbon

user225430I was solving a question about organic chemistry, but there's a part I didn't know how to solve, here it is: A is a non cyclic hydrocarbon chain with $\ce{C_{3x-1}H_{6x}}$ as a molecular formula which is mainly used in cars as fuel, its cracking leads to hydrocarbon (B) which belongs to the ...

 
11:23 AM
you should still answer
go for it!!
go get 'em @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
 
@santiago K, just because you said so.
 
and then join SO and earth science
 
Don't push your luck.
 
lol
HEY!!!!
you are on SO!!
101 2
 
11:38 AM
Of course. For flagz.
 
LOL
and upvoting?
and editing?
 
If I see a good question . . . Unfortunately, on the Tavern, only spam is reported.
 
what about good answers? ;)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M answered yet?
 
11:58 AM
@santiago No, was out for lunch.
Now I'm on it.
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I have 4 answers there and over 100 flags
 
Hush I'm writing something.
 
LALALALALALALALAL
 
@santiago Do you want a Marshal badge for 500 helpful flags on SO? Just flag the "what have you tried" comments as "not constructive".
 
@Loong and 'please accept' on accepted answers as obsolete
I have a 0 upvote answer on SO - am worried about that one
 
12:10 PM
flagging "what have you tried" also works well on math.stackexchange.com
 
writing this answer stackoverflow.com/a/31652701/4756884 gave me a headache for some reason
 
12:26 PM
Man this answer is gonna take long.
 
o/
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M that's not ok
 
o/ @Alex75
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M how r u?
 
Hullo @Alex! Welcome to the chatroom!
@PH13 I'm answer-y.
Writing a skeptical answer to
 
i am nervous-ish, so I am changing my avatar
 
12:35 PM
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Q: Molecular formula of a hydrocarbon

user225430I was solving a question about organic chemistry, but there's a part I didn't know how to solve, here it is: A is a non cyclic hydrocarbon chain with $\ce{C_{3x-1}H_{6x}}$ as a molecular formula which is mainly used in cars as fuel, its cracking leads to hydrocarbon (B) which belongs to the ...

 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M you're getting a big answerer
@santiago pluto is not enough?
 
@PH13 He's thinking bigger, faster, stronger . . .
Wait that doesn't work here.
 
:D
 
I am nervous about my answer on earth sciences and my 0 vote answer on SO
 
@santiago I did not read the answer on ES but at least it looks like a good answer.
 
12:49 PM
hmmm
 
@santiago what is this image now?
 
lightning coming out of my hand
such is my power
 
Nicolau Tesla?
Nice try. I know your name is @san.
 
lol
 
Hey guys the iso- in the iso-octane should be slanted, right?
 
12:53 PM
I thought I read sth about that, yes
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M @Loong ?
 
it's got to be upside down and purple
 
@Loong fly in with your cape.
 
@santiago @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M make it so
 
What? Why am I here? Who woke me up?
 
it was Batman
 
12:54 PM
@Loong We need to know the answer of 2+2.
1 min ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Hey guys the iso- in the iso-octane should be slanted, right?
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M as I said ... $\lim_{2 \to 2.5}2+2=5$
 
IIRC, it should be t-butyl not t-butyl. So maybe the same applies to iso-.
 
2 mins ago, by santiago
it's got to be upside down and purple
 
ಠ_ಠ
@Loong go back to sleep.
 
15 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
ಠ_ಠ
 
12:56 PM
To Google
31 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
ಠ_ಠ
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M no, upright. And no dash: "isobutane", "isopentane", ...
 
and now tell me how to do this citing stuff
 
@Loong Hmm.
 
21 secs ago, by PH13
and now tell me how to do this citing stuff
 
However, the names 'isobutane', 'isopentane' and 'neopentane' are no longer recommended.
 
12:57 PM
@Loong and what for n- and i- and t-?
 
@PH13 Down-arrow, right-click, copy link address.
@Loong Yeah yeah.
 
38 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@PH13 Down-arrow, right-click, copy link address.
ha!
 
Neat huh?
 
related
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A: Why are 'sec-' and 'tert-' prefixes printed in italics?

santiagoFrom the ACD Labs page about IUPAC italicization,it is stated that Italicizing mainly serves to mark letters which are not involved in the primary stage of alphabetical ordering. According to the American Chemical Society Style Guide (p. 235), the use of italics for positional, stereoc...

 
@PH13 I cannot find these short forms in the IUPAC recommendations.
 
1:01 PM
IS THERE ONE ANSWER OF YOURS I HAVEN'T VOTED UP ALREADY?!
 
ok ... then there are no rules muahhahahaha
 
lol
ahem
 
@PH13 They definitely should be italic. I mean slanted.
 
no :C purple and upside down!
 
YES!
 
1:02 PM
ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ ︵ ┻━┻
this acid treatment answer gave me nearly 200 pts ... that's so wtf
vlq anser ftw
o/ @Todd the Heinzelmännchen
 
hi @PH13 @santiago
haha exactly
 
related:
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Q: Why are 'sec-' and 'tert-' prefixes printed in italics?

ApoorvWhile reading about nomenclature of branched alkyl groups, I read that certain common names are also approved by IUPAC. Among those names, only few prefixes are italicised (namely sec- and tert-) and others like iso and neo are printed normally. These names are documented in the IUPAC blue book. ...

 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, i voted as directed
 
@Loong lol, I amswered that question!!!
 
1:04 PM
Bows
 
@ToddMinehardt hiya!
 
hey how goes it @santiago?
 
not too shaby
 
that's good to hear
 
@ToddMinehardt "how goes it" sounds like badly translated german
 
1:05 PM
for Wie gehts?
"how goes it" is pretty common
 
yes, for "wie geht es" wie = how geht = goes it = es
 
so it's like i back-translated bad german to english
 
no, the german is good but the word to word translation to english is unusual, i think
 
so it should be translated to "How is it going" or something like that, right?
 
that's what I would expect
 
1:07 PM
I have a lovely bunch of coconuts
 
@ToddMinehardt otherwise it looks like this "I think I spider"-stuff for me :D
 
@PH13 - interesting
@santiago, what do you do with them? milk/meat?
 
@ToddMinehardt but hey ... you are the native speaker :D
 
@PH13 - i am that. but there are a lot of regional and slang sayings, just like everywhere else...
 
sure
 
1:10 PM
@ToddMinehardt juggle them and then make a warp drive transducing encapsulator out of them
 
@santiago - that sounds like a better idea than eating them :)
 
eating? ewww
 
i'm not a fan either
 
give me an easy question to first-answer to get me my 2k rep!!!!!!!11!111!1!111 HALP URGENT!!!! NEED YESTERDAY!!!!11!!111!11one111oneoneone1111!!
(/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
 
what @PH13 said, but so I can reach 4K
 
1:13 PM
what @santiago said, but so i can reach 3K
 
@PH13 have 5 rep
 
woohoo
 
anyway good people, time for bed for me - speak to y'all later!
 
cheers
 
@santiago good night
 
2:06 PM
@PH13 @Todd @Loong @San I posted my answer . . . Wait, where did everyone go?
 
Did you look under the Periodic Table?
 
xD
 
Under my Periodic Table there are two Germans, a Polish, a Gender unknown, a @Nicolau, a madman, a program, and an idiot.
 
so german is a gender now?
as we hold the majority of space under your table it should be our table
 
Cracks knuckles I'll flip your table. ಠ_ಠ
 
2:11 PM
(/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
 
Well at least I was classified adequately
 
Haha no one can predict the probability of @Nicolau posting a message, even with B3LYP.
\cc @Martin
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M it has to be B3LYP/6-31G*
 
My behaviour is highly non-linear, some might say pathological
Probably EXPTIME complexity
 
@PH13 I don't know anything about the insulin syringe info after that slash.
 
2:17 PM
But that aside, I've been preparing for a big trip, will get on a plane in 16 hours and then not sleep in a bed again for another 36 or so
 
:O
 
So I've gone somewhat radiosilent on Chem.SE
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
not to compare with your usual talkative attitude in chat ;D
 
I know right
 
2:18 PM
what trip is that?
 
Going to Australia to start my doctoral degree
A process almost a year in the making
 
@NicolauSakerNeto Punch @san in the stomach for me, would you?
 
and why not sleep in a bed for 36 hrs?
no beds in down under?
 
@PH13 Not everyone is from Star Trek.
 
I'm sorry, I am a pacifist, by which of course I mean I'm extremely weak and need to run away from physical conflicts or I risk snapping in two
No beds in planes
Just snakes
 
2:21 PM
so you are in a plane in australia for 36 hrs?
 
Four planes
And some airport lobby waiting
 
@NicolauSakerNeto Then avoid conflicts and hit @san.
 
halleluja
 
That's not how it works!
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - present
hi @NicolauSakerNeto
 
2:25 PM
Hello Todd
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, i voted on your poll
 
Thumbs up
@NicolauSakerNeto Hey, vote on the poll!
(Though I know what your vote is gonna be)
 
i went with the "all esters" one, presently in the lead
 
Well, I voted, though I wonder if some alternate solution is possible
 
Well, the discussion is all yours.
There is one thing I did not think about at all before: The "ordinary" ester, as a derivative of the carboxylic acid, is technically already covered by carbonyl-compounds... — Martin - マーチン ♦ 9 hours ago
He's totally asking for confusion.
 
2:37 PM
The thing is I have something more of a fundamental issue with the mechanics of tagging and SEO
 
Physical conflict?
 
Conceptual!
Tagging is strong when it's done abundantly, so to a zeroth order approximation, ideally every question would have 20-30 tags
 
BTW will one of you @Todd @Nicolau read my answer and point out the wrong thingies with it?
 
But maintaining a consistent and large tag structure is quite a bit of effort
I should probably conserve my limited mental faculties for the process of moving, but I can take a look, though I don't know which answer you're talking about
 
Here's the answer:
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A: Molecular formula of a hydrocarbon

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MYou're right in thinking that it's an alkane. Now I think I shouldn't blame you for getting confused by $\ldots$ as a molecular formula which is mainly used in cars as fuel $\ldots$ Because First off, we don't know if $x$ in the molecular formula is an integer or a decimal number. Second...

 
2:41 PM
me neither
looking
 
I only wrote it because the accepted answer is crap and @san asked me to do it.
 
man, that's a long one...upvoting. and the accepted one is awful, agreed
looks good to me, certainly complete and addresses the question, which really has nothing to do with the identity of the substance, just whether or not the math works to satisfy the hypothesis that it's an alkane
 
I like your deductive approach by correlating with information about fuels, though I would have taken a drier, more mathematical approach, and seen where that took me
 
the mathematical version is very easy
 
@NicolauSakerNeto - i agree with you
and you @PH13 - i edited the question to that effect, actually -
 
2:52 PM
What do you mean by math @Nicolau? I can't just say C8H18 - 2C2H4 = C4H10.
We don't know the mechanism.
 
I would've started by finding all solutions for x where the resulting formula would contain an integer amount of carbon and hydrogen atoms, which makes very few assumptions
Then analyse which solutions are chemically feasible
 
Oh yeah.
But somehow I hate math at the moment.
 
No really, I'm cursing it now.
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Q: Can bulky nature of organic compound be quantified?

RishikaWith respect to this question as suggested by a user (he asked me to ask this as a separate question), I wanted to know if there is any way in which bulky property of organic compounds be quantified, as to a value that would indicate how bulky a compound is.

 
if it should be an alkane, the 3x-1 for C would be n, which makes an x of (n-1)/3 ... that entered in 6x gives 2n+2 and that is the right annotation for H to give n C and 2n+2 H
isn't it that easy?
 
2:57 PM
Goes wondering what bulky is supposed to mean
@PH13 We're supposed to find what alkane it is.
 
I know ... but this would be the more common notation than 3x-1 and 6x ... right?
 
yes @PH13 it's that easy
 
and I don't think that the answer could be given because the question lacks many informations
 
@PH13 Don't overcomplicate . . . it's a crappy question.
But it got a good answer.
ಠ_ಠ
ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
 
;)
 
2:59 PM
@PH13 Yes/
 
3:34 PM
Hmm . . .
These polyhalogen anions are interesting.
 
4:06 PM
\o @Chip
:O
 
heyo
 
@PH13 this is what happens when world-building finds out about the second law of thermodynamics:
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Q: The universe is in a long, slow decline to darkness - What can we do about it?

chasly from UKThe universe is in a long, slow decline to darkness Sorry folks but it's true, read the article! My question Using either your imagination and soft-science or actual hard-science, can you suggest ways that the human race and/or other sentient life-forms stops this eventual decline. Specifical...

 
I have to join their community and downvote each and every question
 
""Universe" is the sum of the system in question and its surroundings, but the phrasing of "universe" being equal to "the universe" hinges on an assumption that "the universe" is a closed system - an unproven assertion, at the current state of science, and one in fact which is largely contradicted by observed phenomena, including perhaps the existence of the universe itself."
man, I want to know what that guy was on
and if I could have some
 
Hmm, that's two answers in two days, not too bad . . .
I HATE YOU MARKDOWN! ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
 
4:11 PM
I still think markdown is better than that old bbedit system
or whatever it was called
 
@chipbuster It's not better than LaTeX, NEVER!!1
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I dunno, I use both in my work
Markdown is good for when the reader might only have a text editor
because raw LaTeX can be tough to read
 
4:23 PM
@chipbuster Umm, this text is actually quite ok so I don't get your point
 
@Mithoron The first half I have no problem with. The second part though
I don't understand how the existence of anything proves much about its properties
 
Hmm, yes there is probably no real proof that isn't closed system either. at the end maybe he's thinking about beginning of universe
 
@Mithoron They're not thinking. They're spitting imaginations.
Hmm, guys can you gimme some examples of nucleophilic cations?
 
Tropylium
 
4:38 PM
Oh yeah, aromatic thingies do.
@Mith do you know why the substrate constant is chosen as 1 for methyl bromide?
 
No idea; wht's the context
 
The Edwards equation in organic chemistry is a two-parameter equation for correlating nucleophilic reactivity, as defined by relative rate constants, with the basicity of the nucleophile (relative to protons) and its polarizability. This equation was first developed by John O. Edwards in 1954 and later revised based on additional work in 1956. The general idea is that most nucleophiles are also good bases because the concentration of negatively charged electron density that defines a nucleophile will strongly attract positively charged protons, which is the definition of a base according to Brønsted...
> Swain and Scott later tried to define a more specific and quantitative relationship by correlating nucleophilic data with a single-parameter equation[4][5] derived in 1953:

$\log_{10}\left(\frac{k}{k_0}\right) = sn$
> This equation relates the rate constant k, of a reaction, normalized to that of a standard reaction with water as the nucleophile (k0), to a nucleophilic constant n for a given nucleophile and a substrate constant s that depends on the sensitivity of a substrate to nucleophilic attack (defined as 1 for methyl bromide). This equation was modeled after the Hammett equation.
And don't ask me, since I have no idea how I landed on this.
It even has its Goldbook definition thingy.
(Though it says it's defined 0.00 for methyl bromide)
Maybe it's more obscure than I thought. Sorry to bother you @Mith
 
4:53 PM
Think I heard about it
k0 should equal 1 and why methyl bromide... maybe because it's moderately reactive, common and simple
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M No need to be sorry ;)
 

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