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12:11 AM

@JimMcKeeth (re: your comment) I've seen such questions work before, for example this question — they can provide a really useful resource. Though maybe you're right and it won't fit with this site.

Jim McKeeth

@jtbandes I love these types of question, but I was pretty sure the page that I had to agree to before I posted my first question said something about "Avoid questions that illicit a long list of responses." I don't see a way to get back there now, so I may remember wrong.

jtbandes

Maybe I'll try again once we hit public beta or later :)

Jim McKeeth

I love those types of questions, and I usually learn a lot from them, but seems I was told they are typically discouraged

Tom Wijsman

@jtbandes That's a question from Aug 24 '10, policies and all that have been changed since.

Jim McKeeth

Because they lead to "What are your favorite features of Phone X"

Or what is the best new features of update Y

etc.

Tom Wijsman

12:17 AM

Blog - Stack Exchange: Good Subjective, Bad Subjective

Robert Cartaino on September 29, 2010

Stack Exchange is about questions with objective, factual answers. We’ve been crystal clear about this for as long as I can remember, even back to the earliest, pre-beta days of Stack Overflow. It’s right there in the standard Stack Exchange FAQ:

What kind of questions should I not ask here?

Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered!

Thus, questions that are not answerable — discussions, debates, opinions — should be closed as subjective. It seems simple enough: Fact good; opinion and discussion bad. But why? …

I'm not even sure anymore whether that blog post still holds in its original form, which are some rules that I nowadays just summarize under is it a task (non constructive) or is it a problem (constructive).

jtbandes

I wouldn't necessarily say there are really hard and fast rules about this. It's really about what the community wants and finds helpful.

I'd like to think the question as I asked it satisfies at least a few of those guidelines, though perhaps it's too much of a stretch

Jim McKeeth

windowsphone.stackexchange.com/questions/how-to-ask-beta

Ug, IE10 is killing me.

jtbandes

I'm probably the only Mac user on the site at the moment D:

Tom Wijsman

Indeed, that's why I asked the meta question; until then, I just act according to all the general policies out there.

Jim McKeeth

@TomWijsman My Mac is sitting next to me. Just trying out Windows 8.

So far I like Windows 8, but don't like IE10.

Going back to Chrome.

jtbandes

12:24 AM

Metro is quite slick IMO.

Tom Wijsman

Yeah, I'm on Chrome too right now.

Jim McKeeth

I like Metro

but not IE10

OR any other version

Tom Wijsman

Yeah, quite limited.

Jim McKeeth

IE is slow, lacks features, flickers, renders wrong, and lacks the plugins/extension of other browsers.

Jeff

hey got a question here. is windows phone 8 expected this year?

Tom Wijsman

12:33 AM

@JimMcKeeth: Well, the latest are quite fast to my experience, although haven't used it enough to know whether it flickers.

@JimMcKeeth: GreaseMonkey is available under the form of Trixie for Internet Explorer.

I've found rendering to be quite fine for IE8+ as a (student) web developer, IE7 tends to be problematic sometimes...

@jtbandes: Now that's a good question. :)

jtbandes

@TomWijsman Thanks ;)

I really have very little experience with WP (I committed to the beta as a Beginner/Learner)... so I'm working on coming up with some of the more generally useful questions rather than specific problems.

And you won't see me answering questions for a while ;)

Jim McKeeth

12:54 AM

@Jeff Windows 8 is expected in October

@TomWijsman IE falls down in tab navigation. Open a new tab and you have to wait a second or two before you can type

And then when you go between tabs it some times takes a moment before switching.

Tom Wijsman

@JimMcKeeth: Well, I don't experience that as I'm on a SSD.

@jtbandes: I think I got most of the basics covered now.

Jim McKeeth

@TomWijsman I am on a brand-new Mushkin Chronos Deluxe that is rated as the fastest SSD by Toms Hardware.

Fresh install of Win8 too

Tom Wijsman

@JimMcKeeth Installed latest drivers?

And well, what browser are you talking about, the Desktop or Metro one?

Because I was testing the Desktop.

Jim McKeeth

desktop

Tom Wijsman

I could somewhat see Metro being more sloppy given that it's more of a Managed Code approach (not 100% certain).

Jim McKeeth

1:02 AM

It was faster at first

but after using it for a while, and getting a few tabs open, it started to slow down.

Tom Wijsman

Weird, because you shouldn't be seeing that with better specs than me.

Jim McKeeth

Slow down being the new tabs opening

Tom Wijsman

But well, it's a beta browser anyway... :)

Jim McKeeth

I've seen this behavior since IE introduced tabs,

@TomWijsman Metro actually isn't necessarily managed code. The WinRT is completely unmanaged, and you can build Metro apps with C/C++, which are unmanaged.

Turns out I don't have the latest firmware. May be rebooting here. . . .

Tom Wijsman

@JimMcKeeth True, IE probably went along that road.

Jim McKeeth

1:08 AM

Ah, no reboot necessary.

Windows 7 needs to be rebooted less then Mac OS X 10 for updates now.

I loaded 2 different display drivers today, no reboot necessary. On my Mac it needs to reboot way more often: iTunes, fonts, etc.

Tom Wijsman

Reboot for iTunes and fonts? :|

I would've expected Linux-based OS to be better at that...

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