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Q: Should I still give two weeks' notice if I know my company won't honor a notice period?

LilienthalIn the US it's customary to give two weeks' notice when you resign and it would be considered very unprofessional to resign immediately, even if you're legally allowed to. At the same time, it's often said that companies who escort employees out when they resign or who've shown that they'll make ...

Putting this up to serve as a general/reference question.
Not that happy with the title so I'd welcome alternative suggestions.
@ChristopherEstep Haha, oh boy.
 
 
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Kaz
8:28 AM
Exactly. A resignation letter with an exit clause isn't a resignation letter. It's a threat. — Christopher Estep 17 hours ago
Wish I could upvote that more than once.
 
9:27 AM
@Lilienthal More and more, I'm getting the feeling that notice-giving in US at-will states is completely absurd, so I'm not exactly sure any more what you are asking about. What I read from the (presumably) US posters seems like a total catch 22: you're not supposed to ask about notice periods (red flag), so you can't negotiate beforehand. You're supposed to give notice no matter what, even if the employer killed your dog (hyperbole).
Yet if you do give notice, the employer is free to walk you out and not pay you for the two weeks. And yet, people keep asking if they should give notice in situation XYZ and what the right way out of this catch 22 is.
 
Kaz
@SurprisedEuropean Ish. At-will means you can resign on the spot. Whether you should depends on the situation.
 
From a foreigners perspective: what's the deal here?
It seems to me the agreed answer here is "there is no way out" and "you're screwed anyway" and "suck it up!!11!"
And yet people keep asking, indicating that I'm not the only one who thinks this is messed up.
@Kaz Reading the majority of the postings here: there is no situation where you should.
My inner armchair psychologist says: people are voicing the cognitive dissonance this topic causes...
And yet I guess I know that I know nothing :-/
 
Kaz
9:44 AM
@SurprisedEuropean Well, it depends on your relationship with your employer, the resigns why you're leaving, etc. etc.
If you're working for a company, and they've treated you professionally, and you're a key person, and you just up and quit one day, you're going to burn a lot of bridges.
On the other hand, if you do meaningless work for a company that's abusive towards its' employees (or to you in particular), quitting on the spot has fewer negative consequences
 
10:22 AM
@Kaz Yeah well, I would hope so but then I read
 
11:15 AM
@SurprisedEuropean That's largely why I asked the question.
 
@Lilienthal are you based in the US then?
 
Most of that is covered in your question though isn't it?
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Q: Why is giving two weeks notice a professionalism issue (and not a contract issue)?

SurprisedEuropeanI read this question "Do I owe them a two week notice?" and the most popular answers with astonishment. It seems a lot of people consider it professionally necessary to give two weeks notice no matter how the employee was treated even in an at-will state. What I (a European who has never worked ...

@SurprisedEuropean I'm not, no.
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A: Should I still give two weeks' notice if I know my company won't honor a notice period?

Joe Strazzere Should I still give two weeks' notice if I know my company won't honor a notice period? In the US, the typical protocol is for the employee to give at least two week's notice, and for the employer to honor those two weeks. Unless you have a contract or local law that says otherwise, you ar...

Thanks for answering Joe, comprehensive as always. :)
 
 
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1:43 PM
@SurprisedEuropean It's not nearly as bad as it sounds. I can count on one hand the companies I've encountered like this. Ironically, the states that have tougher employment laws wind up with worse conditions. Nevada, for example, has a law that employers must pay overtime for any hours over 8 worked in a single day.
End result of that is that if you need to take off early one day, you won't get to make it up later in the week, and employers are less likely to let you work any extra hours
 
same thing in CA with skipping lunch to leave early
 
@enderland and the Americans with Disabilities Act has "helped" me right out of a job at one place. They got threatened with so many nonsense lawsuits that when layoffs came, they made sure everyone they knew had a disability got the axe. Not a thing we could do because they laid off hundreds of people and buried us in the numbers.
 
2:09 PM
@JasonC this answer explicitly states the writer is not familiar with this practice. — enderland ♦ 5 secs ago
:popcorn:
 
2:47 PM
I've got an odd problem at work. that I have no idea where on SE to ask. An excel application is blowing up and has stumped the desktop support team, the networking team, and the resident Excel programmer/expert (me). Long story short. On exactly TWO computers in the company. Where would I ask about it, as we haven't determined where the problem lies, or should I crosspost?
 
@RichardU a vba app?
 
@enderland. Barely, which is what makes it so confusing. not even 150 lines of code, no hooks to the API, no links or dependencies. But the thing blows up in spectacular fashion. The options menu no longer pops up, the buttons on the spreadsheet don't work, but only when these two users go in under their profiles on their machines. Someone else can execute them with no problem. someone with a different profile on their machines can execute them.
Their profiles on other machines can execute them.
ONLY when their profiles on their machines are active does this happen.
We tied up three teams for three days trying to figure it out and we're stumped
 
you try nuking their appdata on those machines?
 
yes, we did, you name it, we did it. Now, here's the kicker. Copies of this thing from an earlier date work fine. The only changes to the app were that cell data was changed, and there are no calculations
 
3:02 PM
same problem if you run it in safemode without vba?
or if you remove the vba modules entirely?
 
Have you tried copying the code and data to a new sheet/workbook?
 
@RichardU I've had weird situations where excel gets totally corrupted before
 
@ChristopherEstep yep. First thing I did. Phantom corruption has been common in Excel since office 2007
@enderland but I cannot understand why only two machines out of thousands, and only when they are signed in as themselves on their own machines.
 
Kaz
3:24 PM
@RichardU Thoughts: Account permissions, app data, excel user settings, office user settings, security settings, add-ins, other programs, some combination thereof.
Have you tried uninstalling/re-installing Excel on their accounts?
 
 
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5:18 PM
Gotta love drive-by downvotes.
 
5:56 PM
@ChristopherEstep yep!
@Kaz looked into all of them. NADA
 
 
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7:50 PM
UPDATE: We found an old file that works, and are manually updating it to make it current: crossed fingers
 
 
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Q: Should I still give two weeks' notice if I know my company won't honor a notice period?

LilienthalIn the US it's customary to give two weeks' notice when you resign and it would be considered very unprofessional to resign immediately, even if you're legally allowed to. At the same time, it's often said that companies who escort employees out when they resign or who've shown that they'll make ...

Ugh, I hate having to create these giant comment threads but most of the comments here deserved a response.
I guess it's a good thing I don't make a habit out of actually asking questions here, it's too much bloody work. ;)
 
@Lilienthal yeah, but you ask fantastic ones
 
Hah, cheers.
Quality over quantity I guess? :)
Annoyingly, my time on this site has sort of ruined question asking for me. I'd love to be able to use it to vent like some of the anon posters but the second I even think of asking something I either go "Hell, Lil, you know what to do here." or "Just get your act together and mail HR/Payroll/the PM about this."
 
9:30 PM
@Lilienthal this happens to me too, a lot of my questions end up HNQ nowadays on Workplace :P
three of the last four
actually looking back a ton of mine must have given how many are 20+ votes
 
I've got one that's been ruminating in my head for a while, I just need to think how to phrase it and make sure there's no dupes first. probably sometime next week.
 

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