The Water Cooler - 2016-02-12

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9:04 AM

@MonicaCellio They aren't condescending terms, nor used in a condecending manner. It's a shame that just because you're unfamiliar with them you naturally think they are insulting. Younger people than you have the same right to use this chatroom as you do, and surely they should be able to use the language that they are most used to without being accused of being defamatory

Just because I am different xx

I'ma take y'all to HR pew pew pew

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11:19 AM

I wish there was a badge for "Started typing an answer first but didn't submit first".

I'd have a few dozen of the damn things.

@Pequod You are being condescending and, frankly, childish. That you do not recognise that or simply choose not to is on you, not us. Age has nothing to do with being respectful.

Also, you're using "defamatory" incorrectly.

12:03 PM

Which are entirely subjective

Let it go

12:24 PM

I think plenty of things about you but none of them are valid arguments. If you can't make an effort to be polite and respectful then you really have no business being here. And please stop pretending like this is just about your use of a single word. It's your attitude that's the problem here.

If I may, @Lilienthal, I would actually follow their last advice: "let it go". They feed on the confrontation. And it's really not worth the trouble.

@bilbo_pingouin The problem is that he's poisoning the entire chat and I'd rather not have first-timers be turned away by his behaviour.

Which means that I and several other people in this chat continuously have to point out the problem, which restarts the entire discussion where he retreats into his fantasy world where everyone but him is the grinch trying to keep him down while I'd say that the opposite is true.

I am not a regular user of the chat. Heck, I think before yesterday, I actually never came here. But since then, it has been constant discussion about the same theme. While I don't approve of that kind of behaviour, I really think that the user showed they are not willing to disccus or accept criticism. I'm just wondering whether it is useful to continue feeding them...

but, hey, I'm new here. Your chat, your rules :-)

Sadly not, if it were up to me I'd have sent him to the time-out corner already. :)

I think he's gotten a formal warning from 3 mods so far though, quite the record I guess.

And they showed to response to that. So either ignore them, or ban them. Time to move on. That's all I'm saying :-)

1:06 PM

I agree with bilbo. Stop feeding the troll

1:36 PM

I agree with Bilbo too

Please don't send me to the time out corner

1:48 PM

virtual reputation integers are the best

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He makes it so hard to not respond, so I just clicked "Hide posts" so I'm not even tempted.

you know what the only thing better than virtual reputation integers are?

More virtual reputation integers!

I <3 virtual reputation integers

virtual reputation integers for the win!

@DavidK k

Toshinou Kyouko

came here for the anime names

Oh boy.

1:58 PM

Hey @enderland. I came for workplace chatter because Thomas said I was in the wrong queue.

@DavidK you are lucky... I feel like I can't do that sort of thing :-) hahah

To be honest @ToshinouKyouko, I think you're actually the first one here. I've got an anime avatar but I dare say my name is German rather than Japanese...

Toshinou Kyouko

@Lilienthal yes, I was disappointed

Is everyone going animé, like a group tattoo or something? That's fun way to celebrate in-group status.

Toshinou Kyouko

I'm just a passer-by

I didn't come to start an anime revolution

there's already a SE site for that

2:03 PM

I can just imagine the feigned outrage and accusations of chatroom clique forming coming from the antiestablishmentarians.

Anime DP's are cool :P

@Lilienthal I think it's not a true chatroom until that happens. Of course, I'm an outlander, so you shouldn't listen to me anyway.

@ToshinouKyouko Your name rings more like my company's name :D

Kayako. Wonder what it is in Japanese?

Toshinou Kyouko

is it a company that makes kayaks?

haha No. It makes Customer Support Software!

2:11 PM

Doesn't sound a lot like Tata though @Dawny33.

And if I learned anything from my brief stay in Mumbai it's that everything is Tata in India!

From salt to cars :D

Changed a lot since then, though!

Hehe ;)

I'm not that old, though. :)

Though, bloody hell, I guess it has been 2 years...

Most girls start with: "I'm not that old, though" :P

Btw, my CEO got that domain kayako.com for free on a forum, when he's starting up, and it's 10 yrs and we're still stuck with that name.

Doing an image search with that name freaks me out :D

@ToshinouKyouko Is Kayako some kind of a monster?

Toshinou Kyouko

looks like it's the main character of The Grudge

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No wonder someone was giving it off for free :D

Toshinou Kyouko

2:19 PM

:D

2spooky

So basically you're one of the people here @Dawny33 ? :)

@ToshinouKyouko That is a super-creepy movie.

Yeah, one of em. And the one on the top left was the culprit (our awkward dancer CEO) :D

Well actually I guess you're not on that page, but your github does have your full name and picture. :)

That character itself looks super creepy. Wouldn't dare to see the movie!

2:23 PM

Not bothered about online privacy I guess? ;)

@Lilienthal Meh

Toshinou Kyouko

I'm an anime character online and offine

and in the workplace

i have never watched an anime in my life

Me neither, except for Pokemon and Beyblade!

@AndreiROM really? Not even as child?

2:27 PM

Eastern europe was not big on anime in the 90's

I watched all the disney classics on tape though

Maya the bee?

didn't understand a word, but loved them all anyway

started learning English at 4 as a byproduct though, which server me well when we moved to Canada

Toshinou Kyouko

France is the big place in europe for anime stuff

or was originally at least

that region has been big on comics anyway tho

It was one of the first where it took off and got published/localised in any volume I think.

These days it's probably more available in the UK, if only because of the mass-import of US translations.

I still don't "get" anime

2:30 PM

What's there to get? It's a story-telling medium like TV, comics, "graphic novels", movies, videogames, western animation, flash animation, etc.

... or religion ;)

actually, for many years, France was the markets for mangas (comic books), but Germany was the market for animes. And in France some generation got started on animes from Japan... but through Italy (and Berlusconi).

29 mins ago, by Toshinou Kyouko

I didn't come to start an anime revolution

Riiiiiiight. ;)

Is this how you co-opt other site's chatrooms @ToshinouKyouko?

its friday? ha

@enderland One of the burdens of being a mod :)

@DavidK Mod powers cause temporal dislocation? :o

2:43 PM

@Lilienthal In response to mods' duty to not simply hide the trolls

Ah ok, remember that you can reply to a specific message to avoid confusion. :)

^

2:56 PM

Somehow I prefer recruiting over Fb and Angelist than on LinkedIn.

Found some really cool candidates back when I was running a company. These startup groups on fb are really awesome!

Maybe HRs should also spend some time in these groups.

To show my experience we have to get the give pay slip as well as experience certificate from our current employer. — Gunaseelan 57 mins ago

never heard of Angelist, but i would be very suspicious of anyone approaching me over FB

@Dawny33 Was this a thing in India? I forgot if that was typical/standard/legally required.

@Lilienthal Nifty!

No, these are the groups where startups actively recruit people.

People post their skills and a bit about their projects, and startups or their founders comment asking for their numbers or giving their own numbers to connect.

2:59 PM

i see, I see

@Lilienthal Standard? Yes, in the big companies. Legally required? No

@AndreiROM Some such groups here:

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A: How can I build a solid team for my upcoming Startup in Bangalore?

In India, there are a lot of ways to come across/find a potential co-founder. Facebook: Many people under-estimate facebook as a potential productivity tool. But, there are several startup groups on facebook, where serious startup discussions and recruiting happens. I have met my co-founder on...

that's pretty cool. making FB actually useful :P

haha yeah. Talking of time waste, there's an Indian cricket match going on! :D

Toshinou Kyouko

3:35 PM

@Lilienthal first workplace, then the world

it's a trap

@ToshinouKyouko Sounds good, where do I sign up? I'd want to get in on the ground floor to secure my place in this New World Order.

Toshinou Kyouko

directions to our evil headquarters

3:55 PM

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Q: How to politely ask for a significant pay rise?

I appreciate there are similar questions such as this question, but it doesn't quite meet my concerns. Background: In early March, I'll have been working in my business for 2 years, originally taken on as a graduate web developer on £17k basic in a small team: my manager, myself and a dev for n...

salary negotiation raise

> The other 2 devs have no idea how the phones work, administration, internet networking etc... works. So I do feel I have a lot of leverage to work with.

That's what's always bugged me about "leverage" in a salary negotiation.

How do you walk that fine line between "look at all the stuff I do that's so damn important" versus "if I'm not happy with my salary I might leave and then you people are really screwed"

this.soften("Look at all the stuff which I do, thus finding a replacement for me would be tough")

this.formalize("so, can I haz a salary hike?")

the funny/sad thing is when you think you're super important

but the second you threaten them management fires you

and just dumps your responsibility on the junior of the team

who, of course, figures it out, spends sleepless nights researching networking, etc.

only to end up in that identical situation (gimme a raise or I quit) a year down the line

in some companies this cycle is ... perpetual

Step 1: Hire newbie
Step 2: Pile responsibilities on newbie
Step 3: Give minimal raise to newbie
Step 4: Newbie feels undervalued, asks for raise
Step 5: Profit

Just kidding

Step 5: Fire former newbie and hire new newbie (at a crap salary)

Rinse and repeat

@AndreiROM That's pure evil!

Heh. Luckily I'm not worried about retaliation where I work.

What I am worried about: inane spam and "threat" filters that prevent me from so much as mailing a DLL between my accounts.

Now I have to jump through hoops and hide my .rars in .jpgs just to get them past the security suite...

we have a latte/cappucino machine... this is dangerous

4:11 PM

@enderland You lucky bastard ;)

We have amazing machines at our main office but the client sites I work at have giant percolators filled with swill. :/

I've taken to caffeine tablets instead.

nice benefit of this company is lots of perks like that :)

we have a shitty Keurig which costs a buck to brew a mediocre cup of wanna-be coffee

I ended up buying a French Press, bringing in my own coffee grounds, and making decent coffee that way

however the number of dishes I have to wash each day has gone up :'(

Toshinou Kyouko

tell me about it

I was hired as a junior developer and i'm project lead for things

three course lunch, coffee, snacks and cup noodles IN INDIA :D

I think I'm in an utopian world.

> fixing hackyness to less hackyness

best commit message ever

4:19 PM

Noob refactoring FTW!

it's only the second commit to the repo, and I found a better way to do something I had hacked anwyays :)

on par with: "that change Bob asked for"

What you're referring to, @Enderland , is a temporary workaround

Time to commit a fix to the commit message?

> fixing hackyness to hackiness

it's when someone else writes it that it's a horrible hack

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my guide to office politics

Toshinou Kyouko

No Offense: Offense Incoming

4:27 PM

@AndreiROM it'll get fixed in 6-8 <time_units>

I've not HNQ trained in a while

@Enderland - I'm currently working on a complex project. It has a few issues, and I've included some temporary workarounds, however I feel it is self documenting.

Haha

sounds a lot better than: my project is an uncommented, bugged cluster-fuck, which I've jerry-rigged to sort of, kinda, maybe work

or as my coworker once put it: when you click the button stuff happens, but not always the same stuff, and never the correct stuff

everything I'm working on is proof of concept stuff, so far

that can be interesting, but in the past I've felt it's a little unsatisfying

4:44 PM

I wonder if there's a tactful way to say "After learning that this monstrosity was allowed onto a productive environment, the only way I'll ever again feel safe using this code base will be when we've nuked it from orbit?"

> I quit

^^

I quit. Squared.

And/or I'd like a 50% raise

5:03 PM

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A: How to objectively counter "You are the first one to complain about that."?

You can create a YO DAWG meme (http://memegenerator.net/Yo-Dawg) with the comment "YO DAWG! YOU ARE THE FIRST ONE TO COMPLAIN, SO I COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING THE FIRST ONE TO COMPLAIN" and then print it out and show that every time

Jesus.

it could work

:P

10K friends, there are some new deletion flags available here: workplace.stackexchange.com/tools

Sadly I'm out of votes. :)

5:21 PM

I won't be able to access those tools for a while yet

@AndreiROM me either, however flagging as not an answer adds up :-P

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Q: My manager told me to stop helping an underperforming coworker. How can I do that without appearing to sabotage her?

A bit of background I'm a junior female developer working for a telecommunications company. Shortly after I started, another young woman joined the team. Our manager sat us together with the intention of doing some pair programming. As we are the only two women in the team and we have similar in...

professionalism colleagues

I retitled this but I'm not that happy with "sabotage". Anyone else care to give it a go?

it's an OK title

6:11 PM

I agree. Thanks for the edit!

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8:31 PM

woot! perfect rep score for the day!

9:27 PM

hi all. my brain is fried on this friday afternoon. just wanted to share a little humor...

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10:36 PM

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Q: Is there a legitimate way to ask how good / bad Hired! is without being subjective?

I just saw incendiary reviews of Hired! at http://blog.openviewpartners.com/hired-com-review/ , and suspect that there others, but would love to see some SE types give the good, the bad, and the ugly of seeking employment via Hired! The obvious problem is that the obvious ways I see of asking wou...

Good luck in the WB mod election @MonicaCellio

Seems like the site has some qualified candidates.

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