It is largely forgotten today, but when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and other Civil Rights leaders put out the call for believers and clergy of all denominations to get involved in the Civil Rights Movement, Jews were drastically overrepresented in the response.
The Jewish people were in the ...
@mevaqesh - Fair point. Let me work on it for a minute.
@mevaqesh - I think the question is now objectively answerable.
How is this off topic? I asked about Jewish scriptures, laws, and Halacha.
@MonicaCellio - I'm interested in whichever explanation is the most accurate and comprehensive, but I'm trying to balance that with the concerns raised in the comments.
@MonicaCellio I edited the title, but I'm at a loss as to how to best phrase the question.
@hazoriz I know better than to get into an argument about this subject, and I am aware that Jewish law opposes the idea, but the correct term is "marriage equality", not "gay marriage". The idea isn't to create a new kind of marriage, but to expand the existing form of marriage to everyone. Whether or not it is permissible in Judaism is a different matter, and I am not qualified to discuss it, nor am I interested in such a discussion. And since the recent Supreme Court ruling, marriage equality is now the law of the land.
Political is actual in this case. Extremist Christians, Muslims, Mormons, and Jews might not like the idea, but the United States is supposed to have a secular government. This means that religious objections are largely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is equality. The LGBTQ community doesn't want special treatment, they want equal treatment. There isn't a new form of marriage, the old form of marriage has been expanded to include everyone.
@hazoriz - "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion... The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." - John Adams & Joel Barlow
That means that you can object to marriage equality, but you can't use religious arguments as an excuse to interfere with the way people live their lives. You don't have to like it, but if you're living in this country, you have to accept it as a legal fact.
I am good friends with one of the couples who brought their case before the Supreme Court. These are decent, moral people. They have the right to enjoy the same provisions as everyone else.
@hazoriz Wrong. You don't get to tell other people how to live their lives. Your religion does not apply to me. I respect your right to object, but I won't let anyone tell me that their religion should restrict my freedom.
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion... The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." - John Adams & Joel Barlow
This is our country, not your country or the evangelicals' country.
I believe that people are entitled to do whatever they see fit, so long as they don't hurt or oppress other people. I'm not gay, but other people being gay has absolutely no effect on me or anyone else who isn't gay.
@hazoriz Were you forced to marry another man? No. It doesn't affect you at all.
You just seem to believe that you're entitled to keep other people from doing things you don't do yourself.
It's actually none of your business.
It is disappointing to see someone who should know how horrible discrimination is supporting discrimination.
I respect the fact that Jewish law is clear on this point, but that just means that Jews who choose to observe the law shouldn't marry people of the same gender. It doesn't entitle Jews to prevent other people from marrying people of the same gender.
Israel can ban marriage equality forever if the Israelis so choose. But the United States is founded on the principle of the separation of church and state. We can't allow religions to determine our laws.
And this is something that can't be changed by public voting. It is enshrined in the Constitution.
Holocaust was wrong not becouse of the discrimination but because of the killing, if somthing that does not bother you is leagal so adoltery should be legal, and insest (marrying your sister) and marring a child,
Sorry shabos is comming I got to go I will be back tomorrow knight b"n
@hazoriz - You're still using straw man arguments. What you're saying is demonstrably false. And actually, adultery is legal. Consenting adults are entitled to do whatever they choose to do, so long as they don't hurt anyone else or interfere with other people's lives. Children are protected by law from pederasty. Incest is illegal in many places, whether or not it is actually harmful to anyone.
