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1:03 AM
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How to get ants to solve a chess problem ... knights tour & a solution that surpasses the best genetic algorithms.
 
 
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Q: Computing parallel connected resistance

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4:51 PM
Hello!! Is someone of you familiar with recursive functions and primitive recursive functions??
 
5:22 PM
is the set of finite languages uncountable, right?
 
@nick Haven't you already been answered that the set of all language is countable?
 
vzn
5:42 PM
 
Hello @vzn !! Are you familiar with recursive functions and primitive recursive functions??
 
vzn
@MaryStar somewhat
did you decide on a presentation?
 
@vzn I have chosen the Ackermann's function for the presentation...


I am reading the definitions of primitive recursive functions and recursive functions.

The definition of $\mu-$recursive functions is the following:
1. The constant, projection, and successor functions are all $\mu-$recursive.
2. If $g_1, \dots , g_m$ are $n-$variable $\mu-$recursive functions and $h$ is an $m-$variable $\mu-$recursive function, then the composite function $f=h \circ (g_1, \dots , g_m)$ is also $\mu-$recursive.
 
vzn
6:01 PM
@MaryStar why dont you start by defining mu-recursive wrt recursive/ primitive recursive...
yes there are recursive fns that are not primitive recursive. maybe you have heard of one.
what aspects of ackermann fn (good choice) are you going to present?
 
@Raphael, this time is the set of FINITE languages, I think this is countable. The set of of all languages I think is uncountable. Can anyone confirm?
 
@vzn I thought that the structure of the presentation will be the following:

-History
-Definition (I mention the original version of the function and the simplified version of Rozsa Peter)
-Table of some values of the function and mention that it grows so fast that even for small inputs it gives huge results
-Definition of primitive recursive functions
-Proof that Ackermann's function is not primitive recursive
-Definition of recursive functions
-Proof that Ackermann's function is recursive/Turing-computable
 
 
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vzn
8:25 PM
@MaryStar sounds good to me... covering a/ the proof in a lecture might be some challenge... how long is it supposed to be? ... btw where in the world are you? is your undergrad degree in math or CS?
outline doesnt mention μ-recursive...?
 
 
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10:37 PM
@vzn The presentation will be 30 minutes. So is the structure ok to present it in 30 minutes??

I am in Greece. My undergrad degree is in applied mathematics.
In which country are you?? @vzn
 
vzn
10:54 PM
@MaryStar US. you can state the proof & maybe give a rough outline of its meaning/ significance but cant present the proof in that time.
@MaryStar US. (greece seems to show up coincidentally in this chat room lately, @evinda is from there also & @Juho might visit...)
 
Have you been in Greece @vzn ??

What do you mean with "rough outline of its meaning/ significance" ??
@Juho Where do you want to go in Greece??
 
vzn
11:23 PM
have been to europe but not greece. maybe you know some good places to visit :)
re the proof that Ackermann fn is not primitive recursive, (presumably) it is not simple to state/ explain in your brief time available.
 
11:51 PM
Crete is a good place to visit!!
In the book that I am reading there is the following proof:

To prove that Ackermann's function is not primitive recursive, we need the following properties concerning the values of $A$.

1. $A(x,y)>y$.

2. $A(x,y+1)>A(x,y)$.

3. If $y_2>y_1$, then $A(x,y_2)>A(x,y_1)$.

4. $A(x+1, y) \geq A(x,y+1)$.

5. $A(x,y)>x$.

6. If $x_2>x_1$, then $A(x_2, y)>A(x_1, y)$.

7. $A(x+2, y)>A(x,2y)$.


We will prove that Ackermann's function is not primitive recursive by showing that it "grows faster" than any primitive recursive function. What we shall attempt to do is show that for any given $n-$variabl
 

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