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terdon

4:30 PM

Ok. That version is for Debian 8 (Jessie), not for wheezy. — Faheem Mitha 4 mins ago

@FaheemMitha isn't jessie stable now?

The OP said they're running stable.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon He's running wheezy (oldstable).

terdon

@FaheemMitha Where did he say so?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon The poster seems to be confused. See his answer (workaround for wheezy).

In a comment he writes:

@terdon yes, I'm using stable. I found a workaround on the web. Many thanks for your help. — AP13 15 mins ago

terdon

@FaheemMitha Yes, also the question title

@FaheemMitha Yes, that's why I thought it was jessie. Either way, if his sources are pointing to "stable" apt-get upgrade should fix it, right?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Indeed. I think he thinks wheezy is stable.

@terdon Well, I don't know what his sources are pointing to. :-)

But if he was really running jessie he probably wouldn't have a problem.

terdon

4:35 PM

@FaheemMitha Assuming he's run apt-get upgrade in the past year or so...

Faheem Mitha

But the current status of rstudio seems to be a bit of a mess. See this bug report. With some acrimony.

@terdon I don't follow. Are you thinking he is running an out of date version of jessie? Easiest way is to just ask him.

bugs.debian.org/617296 <- health warning - Debian Developers quarreling.

terdon

@FaheemMitha I'm thinking he installed stable a while ago and hasn't updated anything. Probably ever.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Hmm. Maybe we could just get him into chat.

@terdon judging by the update, he really is running wheezy.

@terdon I don't know if you are an R user.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Yes. Kinda sorta.

Faheem Mitha

Anyway, the Rstudio folks seem to be pursuing a semi-proprietary model. Which usually runs into problems with packaging issues. See the bug report.

Dirk arguing with the Debian Science folks. Fun.

Stephen Kitt

4:40 PM

@terdon Actually the libc version is the very latest version available for Wheezy, so presumably the system is being updated at least semi-regularly...

@FaheemMitha The arguing stopped a year ago though ;-).

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt he lists 7.8, which was the last release, afair.

terdon

@StephenKitt Ah, OK. I just searched stable for libc on packages.debian.org and saw the newer jessie one.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha Yes that's what I'm saying, 2.13-38+deb7u8.

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Hmm, that's true. But it doesn't look like anything has changed since then. And a lot of the R packages in Debian are much of date, that is true.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha Yes indeed :-(.

Faheem Mitha

4:41 PM

Partly because of those requirements regarding data, which has been a big headache.

@StephenKitt right.

terdon

I admit to having little patience with what I consider to be the more extremist positions Debian has about proprietary software. This kind of issue is really annoying for example.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon It's not Debian's fault, as such. But I may be misunderstanding what you are referring to.

Stephen Kitt

@terdon Actually I don't think the issue here is licensing, it's more about the amount of effort involved.

Faheem Mitha

Agreed, licensing issues are not the problem here. there was some talk in the bug report about bundled java libraries.

Though that may not be the whole story.

terdon

Perhaps I misunderstood this:

> The upstream approach is to ship them as
convenient libraries in binary package, which is unreasonable for
Debian official package, and it's quite a lot of nontrivial work to
package them first.

I assumed the reason Debian didn't want to take the same route was about licensing but re-reading it, I think I was wrong.

Faheem Mitha

4:45 PM

@terdon The point is that the dependencies are not packaged as Debian packages.

The dependencies of Rstudio, that is.

Plus, they may be doing some bundling as well.

Bundling of stuff along with rstudio. Which would be annoying and time-consuming for a Debian packager to sort out.

terdon

Fair enough.

Faheem Mitha

I admit I didn't read the bug report carefully.

I think Wickham and co are pursuing a for-profit venture. So making things good for Debian packagers probably isn't uppermost in their minds.

Anyway, the bottom line is that we're probably not in a position to help the poster without significant additional effort.

The rstudio folks don't have packages for Debian 7, it looks like.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha They used to, but they're not easily available any more apparently. The "easiest" solution for @AP13 is probably to upgrade to Jessie!

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt yes, probably

terdon

@StephenKitt Yes. For all sorts of reasons.

terdon

5:16 PM

@AP13 did you sort it out?

AP13

7:12 PM

Hi, although I sort it by upgrading the libs I'm seriously considering upgrading to Jessie

casey

7:23 PM

its time like that I an happy running a source distro. No mismatched library problems with binaries built by some 3rd party.

Faheem Mitha

@AP13 I would recommend upgrading to jessie unless you have reason not to.

@casey Not really helpful. :-)

@casey was just talking on TeX, and thought of you.

in TeX, LaTeX and Friends, 18 mins ago, by barbara beeton

@FaheemMitha -- i have an "oversize" monitor (it can accommodate two full letter-size pages side by side, though not with the resolution i really need). the graphics card tends to get very hot. so far, two graphics cards have "fried" completely, but just a temporary overheating can cause an uncontrolled shutdown. and to restart from scratch takes nearly half an hour. (i wish it were otherwise.)

This is one of the AMS production editors, used to (still probably is) assistant to Knuth. Yes, that Knuth.

I just remarked that that sounded most strange.

@casey you have like 3 humungous monitors? Any problems with GPU meltdowns?

casey

he needs better cooling. Its probably just a big 1920x1080 screen he has if he complains about the res.

@FaheemMitha I'm normally driving 3 1920x1080 screens from 1 GPU (770)

Faheem Mitha

@casey It's a woman - Barbara Beeton. If you use TeX, you've probably heard of her.

casey

its currently 47C and it gets a bit hotter if I am running something demanding

Faheem Mitha

She was important in the early development of TeX. Coordinated between Knuth and the AMS - though I'm fuzzy about the history. Regardless, such an issue should be fixable.

casey

7:32 PM

but no melting in my case, I have enough fans to ensure good airflow

Faheem Mitha

@casey So, you think it is just insufficient cooling?

casey

and that GPU is the hottest thing in my case. CPU sits around 39, mobo T sensor a bit below and the disks report mid 30's. Lower in the winter, warmer this time of year.

though my big fans are low RPM when the load is light so they temps come up a bit. nice and quiet though

Braiam

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 hours ago, by bjb568

"My printer's noisy!" -> "Use sound insulation", "Stop printing"

casey

@FaheemMitha that would be my guess, or a particularly hot card. 30 minute boots are crazy too. I'd probably toss the whole thing and start over with a new machine.

Faheem Mitha

@casey Apparently her org refuse to.

But I'd have thought the issues were probably fixable.

casey

7:43 PM

Her monitors aren't even that big really. A 21"/22" screen can just about fit 2 letter pages completely. side by side is fine but the tops and bottoms get shortened. A 24" in landscape would work though for true sized 2-page letter viewing. Not really a "huge" monitor though I'd say.

I'd like bigger, but I'm not upgrading these screens until 4k gets cheap in 24" or smaller panels and there is a reasonably priced video card to drive them all

Faheem Mitha

@casey "4k gets cheap"? 4k what?

@casey No, they aren't. But now she says the machine only has room for one fan. What the hell, right?

What kind of dinosaur machine only has room for one fan?

Braiam

4K resolution

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Faheem Mitha

@casey probably Mr M would be best off reinstalling. Should we recommend that?

@Braiam I see. You'd need good eyesight for that one.

casey

@FaheemMitha 4096 x 2160, slightly wider than UHD

@FaheemMitha yes, and tell him to stop following whatever guide he used to get himself into that mess

Faheem Mitha

@casey yes, I see. As @Braiam posted.

@casey I did. Probably not worth our time trying to diagnose his mess. Been there, done that.

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