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12:00 AM

Unity is not running. The window of firefox is always on the top, no way to switch to other programs' windows.

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Q: Desktop frozen and unity doesn't restart properly

My desktop of 14.04 was frozen. I would like to restart without closing my running programs. First I login into a text console by Ctrl-Alt-F1, and run a comand to restart compiz by compiz --displace :0 --replace & disown That brings back the windows for my running programs, but I can't swit...

12:53 AM

@Gilles: I have a question about not understanding your comment on nohup:

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Q: Why is chromium-browser killed when I close the terminal despite nohup?

This question is old, and I am still not clear about why. In a Gnome Terminal tab, I ran $ nohup chromium-browser & But when I close the terminal tab, chromium-browser also exits. Isn't nohup supposed to prevent that? Gilles said: nohup and disown both can be said to suppress SIGHUP, but ...

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2:53 AM

@Braiam around?

Do you know what the 'p' beside gnome-shell means here?

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 1 min ago, by Seth

seth@johnson:~$ aptitude why gdm
i   ubiquity-frontend-gtk Depends    metacity | marco | xfwm4 | matchbox-window-
                                     manager | lubuntu-default-settings | openbo
                                     x | gnome-shell
p   gnome-shell           Recommends gdm (>= 3.5.90)

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5:06 AM

@Seth - i for installed and p for pending, perhaps?

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6:21 AM

@Seth The man page says look in the Aptitude reference manual.

@Seth aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html

p	-	the package and all its configuration files were removed, or the package was never installed.

I'm still wondering what happened to Daniel Burrows. I hope he is Ok. He seems to have disappeared without even a goodbye note.

Or doing anything formal with aptitude.

I mean, orphaning it, or whatever.

7:01 AM

Hello terdon, are you online?

Yes, but I'm leaving. Sorry, I'll be back in a few hours.

ok, cu later

7:37 AM

Hmm, Daniel Burrows doesn't like nix

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8:56 AM

Well, I found Daniel's Google+ page, and he seems to be doing well.

plus.google.com/app/basic/108899923682916468367

Google+ produces an insanely long URL string by default. No doubt it contains every detail about you they can put in.

Don't be evil, my sweet patootie.

I don't see a post from Daniel saying "I left Debian without saying goodbye and am wracked with guilt", but I'm still looking.

9:51 AM

Ok, he has one post saying it is a shame not more people are working on Aptitude development.

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edward torvalds

11:13 AM

@darnir pavucontrol works on tty

?

Steve Yegge's love song to Google.

plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/…

He forgot to mantion that they like insane links over at Google+. But I've already mentioned that.

@derobert ever thought of working for Google?

11:38 AM

@A.B. I'm back if you still need something

@terdon how about you? Thought of working for Google and getting all that free food? Though one wonders if Google in return gets fat employees.

Jul 2 '14 at 14:23, by terdon

Has anyone else gotten an email from someone called Alicja Notowska who is apparently recruiting for Google? Did I just get google head hunted or is this SPAM?

I was actually headhunted by Google through U&L.

I turned them down, I was not really qualified for what they were looking for anyway. They wanted a hardcore Perl programmer.

At best, I'm a script monkey.

@terdon I have revised my mistakes. So that the comment is superfluous. (unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192158/…)

@A.B. Ah, good. Thanks for letting me know.

By the way, we tend to be command line junkies here so the advice that you should use a file manager to change permissions is just very strange to us :)

I don't think I have ever used a file manager for that.

In fact, I hardly use one at all.

:)

11:57 AM

I also prefer the command line. But it was asked for a desktop-file.

Yes, he wanted it to appear as an option in the right click menu.

But this is unnecessary. Also in "Elementary OS" there is a "Properties" and "access rights"

... in the file manager

12:15 PM

@terdon Did they offer you a job?

I got a few emails from some Google person a couple of years ago, or maybe a bit more. They wanted a system engineer or something.

I forget. I still have the emails, of course.

@terdon I think the important criteria is whether you like writing Perl, I think.

I don't know Google expects, but I doubt it can be that much. It's a big organization - there aren't that many super-duper programmers in the world, and many of them already have jobs.

12:46 PM

@Seth purged, i.e. not installed

some tools distinguish between n (never seen) and p (heard of it but not installed)

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1:54 PM

@terdon how did they head hunt you through U&L? Your profile has no contact info.

Does "a script monkey" mean a person programming a lot in script languages such as bash and perl and python?

2:22 PM

@FaheemMitha Yes, but no details were discussed. They just asked if I was interested. I said no.

@Tim They found my github account and then used this method to get my email: sourcecon.com/news/2014/02/06/…

That's a problem of github's by the way.

what about "script monkey" vs "perl programmer" then?

3:14 PM

@terdon They offered you a job with no interviews? That's remarkable.

@terdon Not necessarily a problem. People who access your repos might want to contact you. I often wind up using the email addresses in commits, because nothing else is available. And there seems to be an implicit understanding that they are valid email addresses, though as far as I know nothing enforces that.

Though I guess github and bb etc could anonymize email addresses on the web interface. Force you to clone the repos to get the addresses.

4:07 PM

@terdon: It's strange that Google is still hiring Perl programmer

@terdon I consider that rather invasive if they're just going to send me a marketing email.

Especially since I know they're doing it to (potentially) hundreds of other people at the same time.

@Tim Writing scripts to accomplish a task(s) is very different from writing (and maintaining) full blown applications written in a scripting language.

For example I can, and do, write python scripts to do things I want. I wrote one just yesterday. But I couldn't write and maintain GIMP, for example.

4:26 PM

@FaheemMitha Thought about it (and their recruiters keep emailing me...) but it seems I'd have to relocate to CA, and I don't really want to move...

So never investigated that far.

4:40 PM

Speaking of Google... LastPass wasn't working right on one my Chrome installs. So I figure, easy way to fix, just uninstall and reinstall. Fixed it on that install.

Now I find out Chrome decided that clearly what it needed to do is sync that over, uninstalling and reinstalling it on all of them!

And of course Chrome can't actually fully install LastPass, there are binary components which apparently a Chrome extension can't include.

So now I get to clean that $#@!(# mess up.

@derobert How did they find you?

And of course it deleted all my preferences, so I get to set those again.

@Seth do you get Google marketing emails too?

Apparently the Debian developers get continously harassed with marketing emails.

@FaheemMitha My email address is around a lot of places—I forget all the ways they've stumbled across it.

@FaheemMitha No, thankfully. I'm a long way off from being able to work at Google :)

4:44 PM

@derobert oh.

@derobert so how did it work for you? They said, come interview with us? Or did they flat out offer you a job?

@FaheemMitha They wanted me to set up an interview, but since I wasn't interested in relocating, we never did

@derobert Ok.

I guess CA is not for everyone.

Well, and I have friends, family, etc. here.

And working at Google just doesn't have the lure it had ten years ago.

Or five, even.

5:03 PM

@derobert How so? Less stock option opportunities? Got too big?

I'm personally not a fan, but I imagine there are far worse places to work. If you don't mind being a cog in a machine.

@FaheemMitha Mostly too big. Financially, I'm sure its still quite rewarding.

@derobert Right, I agree.

And AFAIK it's still a good place to work at.

But ten years ago, it had an aura of being an almost magical place. They've lost that.

@derobert Magical? Really? Hmm.

@derobert ever used the KOMA classes?

@FaheemMitha TeX? Not that I'm aware of. Unless LyX has done it for me.

5:16 PM

Which is the most appropriate SE site for this question?:

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Q: How do I troubleshoot if I see the incoming packet in tcpdump, but not at the socket?

For example, I see that the incoming packet in tcpdump, but not in strace for the program that is listening the appopriate socket. How do I trace the "fate" of this incoming packet on Linux? I expect to get a report like this: ✓ Packet received by network interface; ✓ Packet successfully deco...

linux networking sockets tcpdump

5:31 PM

@Vi. Probably here, or (especially if this is code you're writing) maybe Stack Overflow. Though AFAIK such a tool doesn't exist; you have to investigate each part by hand :-(

5:54 PM

@derobert ok. I've started using the scrlttr2 letter class recently. It is quite impressive. Kind of its own world, like PGF/TikZ, and TeX itself, of course.

@derobert did you read Steve's love letter?

6:16 PM

@FaheemMitha ?

@derobert apparently not. :-)

plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/…

Has anyone here ever used these Das Keyboard things?

A keyboard with unmarked keys. Hmm.

amazon.in/Das-Keyboard-Model-Ultimate-Mechanical/dp/B003F7WXTG

7:06 PM

@FaheemMitha Haven't used one, though I've used a different mechanical keyboard. Clicky-clicky-clicky.

@derobert Are they good? I appear to have A Logitech K120 here (is that a model?)

Yes, it's fairly nice. Mine is from Unicomp.

pckeyboard.com/page/Classic/UNI0416 I think that's basically what I have.

At home, unfortunately not at work.

How is it better than regular keyboards?

Feels nicer typing on than membrane ones

And it's more clicky. I'm not sure if that's a feature or not, though.

7:27 PM

@derobert Ok. Those Das Keyboard things are available at amazon.in. But at like Rs. 12,000. Around $200. More than I want to spend on something I'm not even sure I'll like. Now, if I could try it, that would be a different matter...

@FaheemMitha Wow, that sounds like a small markup compared to the other things you've gone shopping for...

@derobert True. Regardless...

Yeah.

So, did you check out the Steve Paen of Praise? It's quite amusing.

Yeah. That was indeed amusing.

7:33 PM

There seem to be a lot of people who want to work there. Still.

@Seth Never say can't. Yes we can!

7:50 PM

I'm sure if I absolutely had to I probably would maybe manage it.. but I'm really not at that level yet :)

@Seth manage what?

manage writing and maintaining GIMP.

Necessity wrings miracles.

8:36 PM

@Seth I really don't think sw development is that difficult. No miracles necessary.

No disrespect intended to the many people who work on such projects, of course.

well (at least IMO) sw dev != good sw dev..

@Seth agreed. But what makes you think you can't be a good sw dev?

@FaheemMitha Nothing makes me think can't, but I know I'm not. At least, no now ;)

If I was forced to maintain GIMP right now I would fail pretty miserably.

@Seth the creators of GIMP couldn't maintain GIMP. They worked up to it by stages.

It's not magic. Complicated, yes. Hard work, yes. Time-consuming, yes.

I know it's not magic :)

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10:19 PM

@derobert what places have aura these days?

@Seth what more does it take to write and maintain an application than write some scripts to accomplish tasks?

@Tim It's more complicated. You have to think about large scale structure.

10:43 PM

@FaheemMitha Oh, good heavens no! They just asked whether I was interested.

@terdon Ah, Ok.

I guess if Google offers you a job without an interview, you can feel duly flattered.

Based on a U&L profile? I doubt it. At the very least, a CV might be in order.

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