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2:22 AM

don't feel bad @Gilles, at the end of the day, everybody lies

9:52 AM

I just received a response from my University's IS department that said "I would suggest that storing a plain text password on your machine is no more "dangerous" than storing both of your public/private SSH keys on the same disk."

This is utter BS isn't it? The SSH key accesses a single system and is sandboxed to a single service on that system. The password is accesses everything that is part of the active directory.

10:57 AM

@StrongBad There is a security site. You could ask there. You'd get expert opinions, hopefully.

@FaheemMitha thanks

Alternatively, the chat seems quite active, so you could try there first.

The DMZ

A serious place where infosec is discussed PS we don't do hard...

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In sites I'm not that familar with, I usually first check with the locals whether the question is suitable. Beats having it closed or downvoted.

Uni IT people tend to be morons, anyway, in my experience. I was at UNC and Duke. They were both terrible. Duke was worse. What country is this?

@StrongBad ^^

In the US, university IT depts pay quite badly, I think, so they don't tend to get people with a brain. I think Duke IT salaries started at something ridiculous like 35k while I was there.

@FaheemMitha This is in the UK. I asked over at the DMZ, and got one response already.

@StrongBad Ok. Any idea what UK salaries are like? Just curious.

Yes, I saw the response. I expect you could also ask a formal question...

No idea about salary. Part of me feels that once you depend on users for your security the battle is lost, but the rest of me feels you shouldn't actively shot yourself in the foot.

11:09 AM

@StrongBad Well, you certainly don't have to do what some random sysadmin says. If you post, you should provide some context/background, though.

@FaheemMitha They switched to a new data storage system. I used to authenticate with ssh keys now they only allow passwords, so it seems if I want to continue backing up the way I was, I need to follow their advice.

@StrongBad Oh, that's a bummer. Still, I'd certainly ask ask for advice about your options before I do anything. That seems like a perfectly reasonable question to ask.

11:25 AM

@StrongBad Asking in academia.sx might also be reasonable. Since it seems like a question of academic politics as much as one of security.

The idiots who run academic depts are quite defensive of their employees, so they will probably not respond positively to criticism.

11:43 AM

@FaheemMitha that is an interesting idea, but I am not sure dealing with incompetent IT is really unique to academia.

@StrongBad I'm sure it isn't. But the politics of dealing with them might be academia-specific. Ultimately, these people answer to some academic person or other. A Chancellor or Vice-Chancellor or what-not.

Though you may not want (or need) to go that high up.

@StrongBad at any rate, that is something you can ask in academia chat. I don' think it is active, but the mods may be keeping an eye on it. You could also possibly bring it up as a meta-question.

12:02 PM

@FaheemMitha I am a mod at academia.se

@StrongBad Oh, ok. Then you can mod yourself. :-)

2:39 PM

Anyone know of an existing answer on why interfaces like eth0 are missing, but enpXsX is present instead? Surely we must have one, but I cant find any. This question needs it.

A: Why my ethernet interface is called enp0s10 instead of eth0?

@Patrick search in my profile ;)

btw, what the heck he's talking?

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That's a change in how now udevd assigns names to ethernet devices. Now you have to figure out the name of the devices based on (and quoting the sources): firmware/bios-provided index numbers for on-board devices firmware-provided pci-express hotplug slot index number physical/geographical loca...

@Braiam Perfect, voted as dup

@Braiam it would be nice if "predictable interface names" appeared somewhere in there so it would show up in searches for that phrase :) That's where I was looking before you posted that.

2:55 PM

I was searching for things like "eth0 enp" "eth enp*" etc

@casey added in my answer

@Braiam +1

yuk unix.stackexchange.com/q/147672/41104

closed

and if I had delete votes...

u no 20k yet

3:04 PM

I got lazy after 3k :)

I'm working slowly on my SO rep now -- only answering Fortran questions

@Braiam Short form?

Hi @casey

@FaheemMitha hello

@FaheemMitha yeah, the complete phrase is: yoU are NOt 20k YET

@casey still working on U&L, though, right?

@Braiam they use 'u' for 'you' in India. You don't want to be mistaken for one of those...

@FaheemMitha I am, but not necessarily actively looking for opportunities. My last couple answers were for pretty specific questions and those don't seem to attract to many UV

3:13 PM

@casey Many of mine get no upvotes at all, but I don't think you should worry about that. The posters often show little by way of manners; that's more a concern, but that's Planet Earth.

@FaheemMitha they do that here too... "u mad bro?" (example) or the British "u wot m8"

Or the Human Race. Or the Internet. Whatever.

@casey Here being...?

USA (that was my US-centric "Here")

@casey Ah. Well, it's a horrible practice. I see it a lot with Indians, particularly computer professionals.

@FaheemMitha oh, I'm not worried about it

3:14 PM

@casey I mean, in the sense of being concerned about it. :-)

Wrt to your last answer, I'm puzzled that anyone would actually want their terminal to look like an ancient CRT.

I gave you an upvote, anyway. Though really that upvote is for the author of that sw.

A: Does location influence voting?

@FaheemMitha here is some verification of what you see:

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The simplest evidence would be to compare the reputation of users from various locations (as self-reported in their user profile). This data can be found via the public database. Here are locations with at least 3000 users: N acct_age avg_rep location ...

@FaheemMitha I am too, but I remember helping that guy improve his Q and then on google+ the other day someone shared a screenshot of that software, so I added an answer. I wasn't intending on answering, but the answer dropped into my lap

@casey I see.

@casey Interesting and informative post. I thought "Further, they are the only location on this shortened list who do upvote Indian posts." was pretty funny.

Q: apt says there are no new upgrades to firefox 27

3:37 PM

Hi. I need help with this:

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Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS. Firefox 27.0. apt-get install firefox says it is already the latest version. I know it is not true. I have precise, precise-backports, precise-security and precise-updates on my sources.list (full contents here). I performed (apparently successfuly) and apt-get update and sti...

If anyone has any suggestion...

A: Upgrade to latest version of firefox in RHEL 5.6

@ThatBrazilianGuy there

Ramesh

I am not sure if the ubuntu updates work like rhel.

You can see some useful info from here.

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You cannot run the later versions of Firefox on CentOS 5.x. See here: Run Firefox 23 on a Centos 5.9 Box Lower level libraries that Firefox depends on aren't being kept up to later enough versions that the newer versions of Firefox are being compiled against. This is typically the case with l...

@Ramesh I use FF 31 at home on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, this is a different machine with the same distro and version.

Ramesh

@ThatBrazilianGuy, ok. I am not sure then. However, for RHEL it uses something known as ESR which will not be always the latest version.

@ThatBrazilianGuy answered

Ramesh

3:51 PM

some user got deleted.

@ThatBrazilianGuy I recommend you to test out just changing http for https in your sources.list for a quick check, if it works then you have to ask the proxy admin to fix his stuff

@Braiam I forgot to mention, hadn't noticed, I am getting BADSIG errors like these when I apt-get update

> W: Erro GPG: http://archive.canonical.com precise Release: As seguintes assinaturas eram inválidas: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
W: Erro GPG: http://br.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports Release: As seguintes assinaturas eram inválidas: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>

So I am reading this now: askubuntu.com/questions/1877/…

I"ll update the question if I can fix it this way

4:08 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy ugh

change it to https, the proxy could cause those problems also

A: "Modules not found" error during kernel install

OK, will have lunch and try when I get back!

lgeorget

4:28 PM

Guys, I'm confused and need your wisdom

There are those two questions
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/42144/modules-not-found-error-during-kernel-install/147707#147707
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/147478/error-installinig-kernel-on-centos-from-source

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You have to make sure the toolchain is aware of the kernel source tree you're working with. You have to set the environment variable KERNEL_TREE to the directory where your sources are. See http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/147700/37538 for reference.

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Q: Error Installinig Kernel on Centos (from Source)

I am running GNU/Linux (Centos 6) on kernel 2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64. I am trying to update the kernel to 3.2.61. I performed the following steps inside the 3.2.61 folder structure: make menuconfig (took defaults- didn't add anything) make make modules make modules_install make install O...

kernel compiling centos6

They're probably duplicate. The second is newer but has been answered whereas the other is a year and a half old but has not received a correct answer

What do we do in this case?

(I've posted a link to the answer but I'm talking about the question)

lgeorget

4:48 PM

Hmm. I'll make a post in meta to ask if they should be merged.

Some significant re-writing here. Does this look Ok?

unix.stackexchange.com/posts/147695/revisions

I wonder if some of the more exotic word misuses ones runs across here are literal translations from other languages...

5:09 PM

@slm is this really off topic here? unix.stackexchange.com/posts/147705/revisions

5:19 PM

@Braiam Looks OT to me.

slm

5:40 PM

@Braiam - the OP asked to have it migrated and I obliged.

wow, what edit unix.stackexchange.com/q/147723/41104

mikeserv

5:55 PM

@derobert a little more funny, I think, is which one has twice the votes as the other...

@Braiam And the comment!!!

6:41 PM

Wow, someone seriously linked to experts exchange :-)

@celtschk take a look here experts-exchange.com/Networking/Misc/Q_20814842.html — vfbsilva 9 mins ago

6:53 PM

Don't let your cords get wet, mmmmkay.

I bet that smelled nice

@casey No idea, I wasn't here when it happened. I just found it when trying to solve problem "AC isn't working".

Thankfully, no fire resulted!

Of course, the only way to get that plug out of that extension cord was via prying. It didn't come out without tools...

@derobert betcha you found what the problem was ;)

@derobert you mean no significant fire, looks like there was at least a small one around the prong :)

David Freitag

@derobert That facial expression explains it all

6:56 PM

@casey Indeed. Thankfully it didn't spread beyond that connection.

@derobert tell me the water that caused that came from an improper drain hose from the condenser in that AC unit

@casey A clogged one. And you mean evaporator, not condenser, but yeah.

And more importantly, it was on the floor. Clearly, it should have been mounted higher to prevent water from getting in.

And, actually, it was one of the other AC units in that room. But yeah.

That's what it looked like before any prying.

Anyway, lunch time.

7:22 PM

@derobert yep, that is what I meant. I get the occasionally in my miata (at least when the AC still worked). The condensate from the evaporator coils drains through a hose that goes through the floor. When that hose gets clogged by road grime, the basin it drains slowly fills and then when make a tight turn it sloshes and overflows into the passenger footwell. Fun times the first time that happened before I figured it out

11:36 PM

anyone see the problem with this question? askubuntu.com/q/390769/169736