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12:02 AM
@terdon there's always the option to fork later.
 
12:14 AM
@strugee Huh? Yeah, we're at later. What do you mean? They didn't fork to begin with and then decided to do so.
 
@terdon I meant they could fork just the Shell and then if there was a larger portion of the desktop that they started to not like, they could have forked that part later.
that all being said, IMHO they did a really good job trying to stick to upstream with the extensions thing. I'm just pointing out how I think they could have done even better if that makes sense
 
@strugee But that's where the issue with the package names comes in, that's why they had to fork everything sine they were no longer compatible.
 
12:29 AM
@terdon not compatible how?
 
@strugee Not sure about this, what I understood is that there were name clashes where the gnome/cinnamon packages provided the same programs and that cause a problem from bundling the DEs for different distros. So they figured to hell with it, let's just copy the whole thing and rename them
 
sorry just for the record I think I've been more argumentative than I usually am the past couple weeks, and I'd like to point out that even though I argue strenuously for everything that I believe in, and may appear to dismiss your (or others') opinions, I mean no offense and I respect all of your opinions
 
By the way, holy shit this looks good!
@strugee pffft! It will take a bit more than that to offend me man, don't worry about it!
Well, a lot more actually :)
 
@terdon yeah I heard about that around 6 months ago at a local GNU/Linux users group meeting, sounded epic! does it work without Ubuntu patches now?
 
And did you see the rant I posted above? You're argumentative?
 
12:33 AM
@terdon awesome, that's good. troll mode engaged
I guess you do visit AU and don't claw your eyes out so clearly you don't get offended at idiocy very easily
 
Can you star that link please? That IDE is incredible!
 
@terdon oh nevermind, I haven't heard of this. I was thinking of Darktable
 
@strugee heh, don't have much patience with idiocy, ignorance I can deal with.
 
watching
wow. that's fascinating.
sounds like that guy would be interested in looking into literate programming.
 
12:48 AM
smacks @Kiwi and @imz around with a big trout
Please, do not approve this kind of edits, http://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/42041 or at least remove the backticks...

Your humble server,

Readbility
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1:25 AM
@Gilles I kind of think you linked the wrong answer
 
@Braiam there you go, edited
My link was for the superficial part, I shouldn't have made the whole sentence a link, my bad
 
1:54 AM
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A: Create random data with dd and get "partial read warning". Is the data after the warning now really random?

GillesSummary: dd is a cranky tool which is hard to use correctly. Don't use it, despite the numerous tutorials that tell you so. dd has a “unix street cred” vibe attached to it — but if you truly understand what you're doing, you'll know that you shouldn't be touching it with a 10-foot pole. dd makes...

There's a kind of Heisenberg principle with dd: if you observe it (with SIGUSR1), you perturb it
Who's with me to eliminate dd from every tutorial on the Internet and replace it by commands that actually work?
 
2:44 AM
0
Q: Detect root devices

PilotI want to figure out list of all devices which are root dependent using shell script. Root dependent Could be part of system partition Could either be LVM which is created on the top of system partitions. Note: If a device is detected as root then all its partitions should also be mark a...

any one to pay attention to this quesiton?
@FaheemMitha Hi ..can you please look at this question
 
@Pilot i see it in the "News feed items" at the top of my screen, as does everyone else here. someone will eventually see it, have some patience
and personally, I find your question a bit unclear
 
@casey I want to detect root device
 
you might want to clarify what a "system partition" is for the purpose of your request
 
@casey system partition == dependent on root partition
@casey apology for that..
 
do you mean "root filesystem" ?
e.g.
> casey@convect ~ % mount | grep ' / ' | awk '{print $1}'
/dev/md3
 
2:51 AM
Yup @casey..but it does not list lvm target
means if lvm is root then devices on top of which it is created
 
3:02 AM
> md3 9:3 0 4G 0 raid1 /
├─sde3 8:67 0 4G 0 part
│ └─sde 8:64 0 931.5G 0 disk
└─sdf3 8:83 0 4G 0 part
└─sdf 8:80 0 931.5G 0 disk
 
@casey I dont understood you
 
@Pilot see lsblk -s
 
`sda 8:0 0 298.1G 0 disk
├─sda1 8:1 0 243M 0 part /boot
├─sda2 8:2 0 1K 0 part
└─sda5 8:5 0 297.9G 0 part
├─ubuntu--vg-root (dm-0) 252:0 0 295G 0 lvm /
└─ubuntu--vg-swap_1 (dm-1) 252:1 0 2.9G 0 lvm [SWAP]
sdb 8:16 1 3.8G 0 disk
└─sdb1 8:17 1 3.8G 0 part`
 
try it with the -s flag
 
-s does not work on my 13.04
 
slm
3:09 AM
@Pilot - can you write up pretend data of what you'd like to see as output and perhaps we can work backwards from there?
 
oh well. from that output you can see that your root partition is on lvm backed by /dev/sda5 which resides on /dev/sda. The problem with your question is things like "system partition" doesnt really mean anything and your definition of "root dependent" is confusing at best
 
slm
You can use this command too
$ sudo blkid
 
yes, if you could give us what you want to see out of a script, that would be helpful @Pilot
 
@casey I updated question
masters
 
slm
$ blkid|awk '{print $1, $3}'
/dev/sda1: TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda2: TYPE="LVM2_member"
/dev/mapper/fedora_greeneggs-swap: TYPE="swap"
/dev/mapper/fedora_greeneggs-root: TYPE="ext4"
/dev/mapper/fedora_greeneggs-home: TYPE="ext4"
 
3:14 AM
@casey what's the -s supposed to do?
 
> -s, --inverse
Print dependencies in inverse order.
it prints the tree with the filesystems at the top and dependent devices as children
like my output above
% lsblk --version
lsblk from util-linux 2.24.1
 
slm
$ lsblk -s
NAME                  MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda1                    8:1    0   500M  0 part /boot
└─sda                   8:0    0 465.8G  0 disk
sr0                    11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
fedora_greeneggs-swap 253:0    0   7.7G  0 lvm  [SWAP]
└─sda2                  8:2    0 465.3G  0 part
  └─sda                 8:0    0 465.8G  0 disk
fedora_greeneggs-root 253:1    0    50G  0 lvm  /
└─sda2                  8:2    0 465.3G  0 part
  └─sda                 8:0    0 465.8G  0 disk
Seems like what he'd want
 
@slm yep, if you isolate just the tree / is on, that seems like exactly what he wants and as a bonus it is in a very nice format to understand the dependency
 
slm
where did he go?
 
mm... I'm 4 versions behind:
util-linux:
  Installed: 2.20.1-5.6
 
slm
3:19 AM
Does anyone know since I accepted Gilles A on this Q that I asked and my A has 30UV and his has 4 if I get another one will I qualify for the badge where your A is more than X than the accepted?
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Q: What happens when I run the command cat /proc/cpuinfo?

slmWhat happens when I write cat /proc/cpuinfo. Is that a named pipe (or something else) to the OS which reads the CPU info on the fly and generate that text each time I call it?

 
@Braiam thats old, its not even in the gentoo portage tree anymore :)
@slm his A needs to get to 10 first, then if you are 2x you'll get it
 
slm
ah
Oh good so I want his to be voted up to 10
 
or at least thats how I'm reading the badge
I just gave him an UV to help you out
 
slm
sounds weird
i have to resort to tricks to get that friggin badge
 
:)
 
slm
3:23 AM
I hadn't planned on it but his A is much better, so i accepted but then I got to thinking
 
WELP! I HAVE 200 TABS IN ICEWEASEL D:
 
I'm at 74 in chromium, split across 5 or 6 windows
 
<-- normally uses only one window for all applications
I think that I adapted to the window/app -> tabs workflow
 
3:57 AM
@slm jealous?
You mean this one?
@slm Dunno about better, I think they complement each other nicely. That's one hell of a good Q&A now.
And you should qualify as soon as his A hits 10:
> Highest scoring answer that outscored an accepted answer with score of more than 10 by more than 2x. This badge can be awarded multiple times.
 
 
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8:53 AM
I'm officially a sad person. I was just awarded the Fanatics badge.
 
 
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slm
12:03 PM
@terdon I was 8-)
@terdon Yeah I wasn't sure which to accept but I figured his was better about explaining procfs' history. They are very complimentary now that you say it. I hadn't thought of it but one shows you the mechanics of how to determine what's going on, and his gives you more of the history.
 
 
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1:36 PM
@MichaelMrozek Am I over reacting here?
@JoelDavis No need to apologize evidently either -- boo.goldilocks 2 mins ago
I respond to stubborn jerks as a stubborn jerk, but I think this whole dialogue should be deleted (I flagged Joel's comments to this effect).
 
1:54 PM
@Gilles Not me. I've used dd for copying raw blocks of data since forever and it has never caused any problems at all for me. Zero. None. However, I do often see it recommended for ridiculously inappropriate purposes, such as regular backups of a filesystem (aka hanging a picture with a sledgehammer). I dunno about the case in question. I don't see why it shouldn't work, except that's a lot of random data; I'd read smaller blocks in a loop w/ real code for that.
 
2:08 PM
@MichaelMrozek Sorry, I thought posting a comment link included a link to the comment but it did not:
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A: Is any extended logging available for cron jobs?

goldilocksYou can do logging yourself inside a bash script: logfile=/var/log/mine/whatever.log log () { timestamp=$(date +'%F %T') echo "$timestamp $1" >> $log } log "Started." [...] If you are running commands that have output you want to log: somecommand 2>&1 | log You can also send mes...

Is the answer to which the petty and pointless argument is attached.
 
@goldilocks The timestamp is a link. And yes, "CHECK THE EDITS IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME JOEL" was probably overreacting
Cleared the comments
 
@MichaelMrozek Thanks. I actually use CAPS like I use bold or italics -- for emphasis, not to express anger (he did miss the "logger" bit in the first place) -- but I'll refrain in the future. :)
 
slm
2:26 PM
@goldilocks - can we have a laying off of the all caps? I appreciate your enthusiasm but we're all adults here and have day jobs and don't need one more person yelling at me/us 8-)
 
@goldilocks hey, what's happening?
@slm you're sensitive. :-)
@MichaelMrozek I'm kind of sorry I missed that.
Take a look at this - really interesting:
I'd never heard of Ask Patents before now. Maybe it is new.
No apparently not that new.
 
2:48 PM
@FaheemMitha Ask Patents has been around for a lot while
 
@Braiam ok
 
they are not even beta ;)
 
Joel Spolsky on September 20, 2012

We’ve all heard the stories of seemingly trivial patents being used to mug technology companies. There was the patent on the “Interactive Web” which a troll named Eolas used to extract $521 million from Microsoft–until a jury in East Texas threw out the patents. There are the four patents Lodsys is using to send threatening letters to software developers everywhere–trivial patents that Google says never should have been granted, in fact, Google and Oracle have submitted mountains of prior art to show that the patents should be invalid. …

 
Does not seem to be very active, though
And does not appear to be being used the way Joel described.
 
slm
@FaheemMitha I have a threshold of how many ppl I can have yelling at me at any one time, goldy's caps (indirectly) is breaking that 8-)
 
2:57 PM
@slm Caps translate to yelling for you?
 
I think they do for most people
 
Maybe social conditioning...
 
slm
@FaheemMitha - yes
 
@MichaelMrozek Hmm. I'm not sure they do for me. Let me think about it.
 
slm
In typography, all caps (short for "all capitals" or "all capitalized") refers to text or a font in which all letters are capital letters. "All caps" may be used for emphasis (for a word or phrase), though without emphasis they have been traditional in military, teletype, and comic books. They are commonly seen in the titles on book covers, in advertisements and in newspaper headlines. Short strings of words in capital letters appear bolder and "louder" than mixed case, and this is sometimes referred to as "shouting". All caps can also be used to indicate that a given word is an acronym...
 
2:58 PM
@FaheemMitha THINK FASTER
 
@MichaelMrozek Nah. :-)
 
slm
> short strings of words in capital letters appear bolder and "louder" than mixed case, and this is sometimes referred to as "shouting"
AAAAAHHHHAHHHAAAHHHHH!
aaaahhhahhaaahha
 
You'd hate old-fashioned colol, fortan, all that jazz. Even Common Lisp, probably
This is pretty interesting:
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A: Create random data with dd and get "partial read warning". Is the data after the warning now really random?

GillesSummary: dd is a cranky tool which is hard to use correctly. Don't use it, despite the numerous tutorials that tell you so. dd has a “unix street cred” vibe attached to it — but if you truly understand what you're doing, you'll know that you shouldn't be touching it with a 10-foot pole. dd makes...

Though I never use dd anyway.
" You have a choice between knowing how many bytes dd will copy in total (make sure not to interrupt it — no progress check, no suspension), or knowing how many bytes dd has copied so far, in which case you can't know how many more bytes it will copy." Hey, like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle! Let's call this the DD uncertainty Principle.
@slm so, do lots of people yell at you at work? :-)
 
3:24 PM
@FaheemMitha Ask Patents was on the podcast recently, they might have geared up more recently
@Braiam I generally have that many tabs, approximately.
 
@strugee still looks pretty quiet in there.
 
around 400-500 if you count tabs scattered across my different boxes
@FaheemMitha dunno, haven't looked
@slm ummmmmm... yeah......
;)
also, you all may have day jobs but I don't think we're all adults...
 
@strugee you're spiritually an adult.
 
@FaheemMitha no you misunderstand. I don't think you all are adults. at least not on the inside :)
 
@strugee Ah, maybe you are right.
 
3:36 PM
\o/
 
slm
@strugee Careful 8-)
@FaheemMitha just saying....
 
@strugee I most certainly am not.
 
4:34 PM
@slm ""All caps" may be used for emphasis (for a word or phrase)" -> vindication, lol. I use more than the average amount of emphasis of various forms. ALL CAPS would be like, very emphatic (but I'll stop). The reason I do that is pretty normative, I think: it's indented to focus the reader's attention. Like, the guy had already done an incredibly bad job with reading -- other than the bash code, the post consisted of two sentences, one of which he obviously did not read...
...and got all offended when I pointed this out, tried to claim it wasn't there before, etc.
I've only actually had two nasty exchanges on S.E. that I can remember. The other one was the SD card guy.
@slm And my use of all caps has been pretty minimal too -- the worst one was that THIS IS NOT UNCLEAR bit. I'll try to be more sensitive in the future, I'm maybe a little jeckle and hyde -ish that way.
My voice tends to project pretty well too, lol ;)
 
4:52 PM
@goldilocks Maybe you can post links to recordings of yourself yelling: "YOU FUCKING MORON!"
2
:)
 
5:04 PM
@terdon See, but I don't actually do that and please DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THOSE A_____S. Sometimes I'll say something a bit pointed and because I have a strong, confident voice :D whoever I'm speaking to will go, "You don't have to yell" -- but I did not yell. There are a few family members I've come close to keeping recordings of conversations with to demonstrate this passive aggressive cycle, lol.
-> Rather than responding to the criticism, they try to turn it into some big emotional conflict.
I started watching 30 Rock in re-runs recently. That is a great take on irrationalism, absurdity and exasperation.
 
5:18 PM
@goldilocks Oh, good heavens, I do not confuse you with those or any other species of asshole! Quite the contrary, I assure you.
 
 
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8:37 PM
@slm Maybe you added insult to injury with that @JoelDavis comment -- I mysteriously got a downvote (w/ no explanation or criticism) on the post. I haven't had a downvote since probably last year, so...kinda weirdly coincidental.
 
slm
9:10 PM
@goldilocks - sorry I've dealt w/ Joel many times and he is super nice so I was trying to vouch for you.
 
I'm not sure what all this is about, but I'm intrigued.
 
slm
FYI looks like either the mods or community is doing some gutting of users. Just had a -40 drop in rep
Can share links to the Q's + user if you're curious.
 
9:53 PM
@slm Alright, no big deal. I'll assume it wasn't him in that case -- probably just as well...if we end up together at closing time in the same bar....I can be a mean drunk and I do hold a grude ;P
 
10:29 PM
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Q: xterm no longer starting as root user on RHEL6

user1896311I am totally stuck even after reading both this and this (if it isn't already obvious I don't have much experience with Linux.) I am trying to install WebSphere 8.5 on RHEL6. Everything was going fine with the Installation Manager GUI, then after IBMHTTPServer, Web Server Plugin, and WebSphere C...

That's a weird one
strace xclock doesn't show it trying to open .Xauthority or whatever $XAUTHORITY is at all
I expected it to try and fail, or succeed but not find the right cookie
 

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