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8:52 AM

Hi all, can somebody re-look at the question on hold unix.stackexchange.com/questions/165582/… @Anthon, @slm , @Patrick , @jimmij and @Braiam

Anthon

@shirish Done, leave closed, Have you read the What's on topic in the help center at all? It is a interesting question but IMO doesn't belong here on this site. Just that you might find someone on this Q&A site that might know the answer, doesn't mean it belongs here.

@shirish and writing here to ask for reviews is not really necessary, the question is in the reopen queue and needs 4 more votes to be reopened. The tally is now 3-1 against reopening, so I would not get my hopes up if I were you).

shirish

9:09 AM

@Anthon thank you for clearing that up. I am re-reading the help center bits. FWIW, I am interested to put up more historical questions on the site as there is lot of confusion and mis-information in today's students about where things came from. And if for questions like above which is about free software (and most free software for written for some Unix) if not here, then where ? I would suspect that most cross-distro and experienced people would be here than elsewhere.

Anthon

First of all, the questions being interesting, or people being here that can answer such question, or there being no (known) other place to put this info, is not relevant for the questions (and answers) being relevant here. You might refer to meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/73/…, but I find the question having little relevance to current practises.

shirish

9:32 AM

@Anthon, thank you for sharing that link. For some reason I'm not able to sign in or sign up for meta :(

Anthon

9:58 AM

@shirish That is strange because you need only 5 rep to be able to participate. What happens when you go to meta.unix.stackexchange.com do you get a page at all?

Or do you get a page without being logged in? You should not have to sign up separately for meta

shirish

exactly, can be seen here how it looks

I am able to do the same in chromium but not in Mozilla (for some reason I don't understand.)

Put it on meta via chromium http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3241/have-to-use-chromium-to-ask-questions-on-meta

I have blocked quantserve and google analytics via requestpolicy but neither of them should have any say as far as profile is concerned. This is what quantserve is theguardian.com/technology/2012/apr/23/…

Anthon

10:29 AM

@shirish I am using firefox myself, with NoScript suppressing quantserver and googleanalytics, and I login on meta automatically. What happens when you login?

slm

12:03 PM

@shirish wikipedia seems like a better place for you history q's

Anthon

12:19 PM

Some users get the infrormed badge without seeming to have read the tour

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Q: 7z command for files larger than 4GB ( unzip doesn't work)

my unzip command doesn't work for the files which are greater than 4GB. consider my file name is unzip -p -a filename.zip, the command doesn't work since the size of the file is larger. I need to know the corresponding 7z command for the same. This is my unix shell script program, if [ "${FILEC...

slm

@Anthon you can just scroll through that page w/o reading it

Anthon

@slm Yeah, maybe some downvotes on question should force a user to take a small quiz

slm

@Anthon - that's not a bad idea

Anthon

I am a bit annoyed, probably because the OP is wasting my time while I am trying to gather the last 1K ;-)

slm

12:35 PM

@Anthon poorly asked Q's always annoy me. They end up consuming vastly more time than well asked.

plus they liter the site w/ multiple A'ers to slightly different variations

shirish

@Anthon when I try to login, I get into a loop and thrown back to the same page. The login never works.

@slm @slm I am a wikipedia editor and I know that getting a new article created. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation . I am sure you know the inclusionists and exclusionists as well as deletionists war which always keep on happening. I was hoping a dedicated site like stackexchange would be better.

slm

these sites are meant more for Q&A, you have to read the help topic to understand what's on/off topic at a given site. I appreciate your history Q's but they seem IMO to be borderline off-topic. Just b/c ppl are here that may be able to A them doesn't make them on topic.

For historical info I still think that wikipedia is the right place. Q's which are forbidden on SE are product recommendations, and these would seem to be
Q's that could benefit from the audience, but they cannot be answered exclusively, and drive discussions/opinions, and so are forbidden, for example.

shirish

I have read the help topic and tried to understand what's on/off topic. While there is a sort of given list of what is not asked, history is not figured therein, so either the powers-that-all put it in black and white that history questions will not be entertained or don't put history questions on hold. I was hoping to migrate the answers into a sort of wiki article on the site itself.

slm

1:08 PM

SE has community wiki A'ers for this purpose but it's been my experience that w/o a proper owner, A'ers can tend to languish.

shirish

@slm can you explain in more detail (especially the bit about proper owner), how does it work ? Or perhaps there's a link that you can direct me to ?

slm

1:57 PM

@shirish - unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/community-wiki

@shirish - also

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11740/…

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Q: What are "Community Wiki" posts?

Some questions and answers are marked Community Wiki and are owned by a Community Wiki user. Why have Community Wiki posts? How do Community Wiki posts work? How does a post become a Community Wiki post? How can the Community Wiki status be removed from a post? Return to FAQ Index

support faq community-wiki posts

Ramesh

does anyone experience slowness in the site?

Anthon

2:15 PM

@Ramesh yes

slm

@Ramesh yes

Braiam

@Ramesh yes

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 min ago, by Marc Gravell

@ShadowWizard kinda busy investigating ;p

Ramesh

@Anthon I vtc this question for 5 minutes :) That's more than what the OP spent in framing the question.

Anthon

2:39 PM

@Ramesh probably, and now he is complaining about dead-lines, I will give it one more try to educate the OP

Thought of the day: Deadlines are a thing of past

That should have : Deadlines are a thing of the past.

Cannot go and make some tea and not have an uneditable post :-(

terdon

2:55 PM

@shirish I'd read your meta posts but could not understand the problem until reading the chat transcript here. I suggest you edit it and add a screenshot of what you see, the specific version of firefox you are using and a clearer description of the symptoms. "I can't connect" is not very clear, you should describe what exactly happens. It is almost certainly due to some stale cookies though, you could probably fix it by removing any stackexchange cookies from your cache.

Anthon

Can someone give me feedback if my comments are appropriate:

@chandraprakash as I indicated, I am not going to continue shooting on a moving target. You should have accepted my answer on the second revision of this question. Then incorporate that in your script, and come back in a new question if you have problems doing so. Now you have a closed question, your reputation is down to minimum because you showed no indication of understanding or willingness to learn how to properly use this site. Nor on how to divide a problem in disjunct questions and get each of these answered, accept the best answers and show appreciation for the effort of others. — Anthon 2 mins ago

@chandraprakash And once you do that, then someone is likely to help you with any problems you have reintegrating the different parts in a larger context if you have some clear questions about that too. — Anthon 2 mins ago

The guy got on my nerve this morning (my time) and now got downvoted to 1 rep. The OP was the inspiration for my meta post

terdon

@Anthon Yes, I realized. I don't feel those comments are out of line. You sounds a little pissed but you have every right to be. You're not insulting or particularly rude.

slm

3:17 PM

@Anthon they read fine to me as well.

Tyler Maginnis

@Anthon it's not as rude as I got to a user a while back.

Anthon

Ok thanks for the feedback, I know I can be rude sometimes and I don't want to get someone angry with the site because I think they misuse my/our time and I react to that.

shirish

@terdon I think I got to the issue causing it. I updated the question on meta, although dunno if there is any answer (apart from disabling httpseverywhere) whenever I visit the site it seems.

see meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3241/… for the updated question.

terdon

@shirish Thanks, that is much clearer! I can confirm that it works as expected for me on firefox. Sounds like an IceWeasel-specific issue.

Braiam

works for me in iceweasel

shirish

3:28 PM

@terdon, possibly a iceweasel-specific issue or an https-everywhere ruleset issue as well, as you can see the redirection loop error which is coming on the CLI.

Braiam

and https everywhere is known cause of problems in SE

shirish

@Braiam that was not known to me.

so what's the advise to me ?

how do I disable httpseverywhere just for stackexchange sites (all).

shirish

3:40 PM

@terdon and @Braiam luckily I was able to get a workaround that I posted on the meta question. I logged into two meta sites using the workaround and then shared the answer given by @
Jens Kubieziel .

terdon

3:59 PM

@shirish Great! Thanks for posting the answer. Remember to accept it if you can.

shirish

@terdon thanks. Have to wait for 2 days to accept my own answer. Gives time to other people. seems it's not httpseverywhere who's at fault though from the wordings at meta.tor question as well, what do you think ?

see meta.tor.stackexchange.com/a/204 in the same thread.

terdon

I really don't know, I am a complete novice in this sort of thing.

Anthon

4:30 PM

And another on the fly rewriter in action:

unix.stackexchange.com/posts/165644/revisions

Is this something about mondays that I haven't noticed before?

Ramesh

5:37 PM

Can this be optimized?

Undo

7:43 PM

Does anyone know how I can double-space input piped in from another command?

I.e. this:

a
b
c
d

would become:

a

b

c

d

Anthon

@Undo Yes someone knows.

Just ask on the main site (and if you want to know as well, just ask how do I double space piped input from another command?)

Braiam

@Undo just replace the space with double \n stackoverflow.com/a/1252191/792066

Anthon

7:59 PM

@Braiam Why encourage people to ask questions that belong on the main site here by answering them? And that answer is about twice as long as necessary.

Braiam

@Anthon I wouldn't ask him to ask that in the main site and... he now knows what search terms he can use to find what he wants to do

Anthon

@Braiam He doesn't want to do anything, he wants to know if there are people here who can answer such questions. I already answered that.

And why would that question not be ok on the main site?

(The real question, that was not being asked)

Faheem Mitha

I agree with @Anthon, better not to answer peoples questions here if they are suitable for the main site.

Braiam

@Anthon thousands of duplicates?

Faheem Mitha

Though this seems like a crappy question.

Braiam

8:09 PM

I don't think we need another "how do I X" crappy question

Faheem Mitha

Maybe encourage people more to do a search before asking

I guess questions not suitable for the main site are Ok here.

Anthon

@FaheemMitha I don't agree that the question is unsuitable for the main site.

Braiam

btw, I don't give him "the solution" I just pointed out where the solution might lie, I'm not directly answering his question but giving pointers about what he wants

Anthon

At least if the "Does anyone know" part is stripped off.

@Braiam I already indicated that that link you sent is not a good solution. I cannot downvote it as I would have on the main site.

Braiam

@Anthon why it's not a good solution?

Anthon

8:16 PM

@Braiam Because it doesn't answer the question (which is a yes/no question) nor the underlying question of how to double the newlines.

Braiam

@Anthon again, I'm not giving him "the solution" just pointers

or hints, if you like

Anthon

Quoted from that answer: "his will read the whole file in a loop, then replaces the newline(s) with a space."

Undo

I figured it out from that code.

Braiam

^ @Anthon there you go

Undo

And this is a pointless argument for you two to be having.

Anthon

8:19 PM

@undo next time just please ask on the main site.

That is what it is for.

Braiam

how many "how do I replace X for Y" question you want @Anthon?

is absolutely pointless each and every one of them, since they have already have been answered

Anthon

@Braiam enought that even people not knowing how to search can find them?

Braiam

if you follow that through we will be drown on questions

just search "newline replace linux" and you would have found at least 30 post of how to replace a newline

Anthon

@Braiam And you point to an answer that replaces newline with spaces instead of newline with double newliine. Well done.

Braiam

@Anthon can you stop thinking for a second and listen to this: I was never planing to give him what he wanted

he figured out on his own using that post as basis

which is exactly what I wanted

for my part is a "mission accomplished"

Faheem Mitha

9:07 PM

@Anthon I didn't say it was.

I said it seemed like a crappy question.

Anthon

@FaheemMitha Ok, sorry I misinterpreted that. I posted the crappy question (without the superfluous "Does anyone know" ) on the main site and got an unexpected answer ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@Anthon Was the crappy question

2 hours ago, by Undo

Does anyone know how I can double-space input piped in from another command?

or am I not following?

Anthon

@FaheemMitha I am not sure anymore. I thought you meant the question "how to double the newlines" to be crappy.

Faheem Mitha

@Anthon I did.

I was just not sure if that was also what you meant. But I see that is what you posted.

Anthon

Yeah and I got the unexpected / unknown answer by Stephane (and of course a correction on my own non-POSIX compliant answer :-o )