What is significant about the Kotel??

That's a good question,I don't really unrest and why one would make one,that's why I asked if someone else speaks about this ,I would never have wondered this

משיב-מלחמה , חלק ג, page 330 - שו"ת בית מרדכי, חלק א, סימן לג

What? How do you rip kria and say a shehechiyanu? !

@user6591 How is that even a question? The Mishna says explicitly you do it when your dad dies. (Incidentally it's highly questionable that one should tear Kriya on the Kotel. cf my first comment.)

@Double that is two different responses for two different events, even though one is the cause of the other. Here, it is a single reaction to a site.

@user6591 Seems like two reactions to the multiple facets of the location. Makom HaMikdash and Churvot HaMikdash (pretending for now that the Kotel has to do with either of those).

@Double lihaniach. It's still not two causes.

@user6591 How are you defining "two causes"? Those seem like two separate causes to be having reactions to.

@Double Cause #1 a death which results in aveilus. Cause #2 a yerusha falling into one's possession. It's true that #1 ultimately causes #2, as I agreed to before, but it is still an event independent in law and reaction from #1. Here it is a single occurrence. I would quicker compare it to a field that gets flooded and destroyed, but ultimately is now more fertile. A single cause to which only Dayan HaEmes is said.

@user6591 I'd rather compare to a friend who you haven't seen in 30 days who has lost a limb. Same seeing. Two different emotional reactions.

@Double I don't recall such a case. But even if that warrants two Brachos, one is on the friend and one is on the loss. Here there is a single destroyed building representing God's 'removal' from His giluy down here. A singular tragic event. With only one single reaction ever mentioned by the post destruction Rabbis. That is until it became a tourist attraction and center of the tourism industry and religious Zionism. Even Rabi Akiva who laughed when setting the site was not happy about its present form, but he laughed with hope for the future.

@user6591 Didn't (accd to legend) R Yehuda HaLevi bend to kiss the ground upon arriving in Israel? Don't make it sound like arriving at holy sites, even when in ruins, is not a traditional reason to feel success and gratitude. If only most Jews in the US only had half an idea what their great-great-great-grandparents would have given to just see Jerusalem once in their life...

@Double no-one said not to love and kiss the kossel while ripping kria. The point is not to be besimcha. And if only the people visiting and living near the kossel would know WHY their great great grandparents felt that way...

@Double also, Is it mentioned that they made a shehechiyanu when seeing the Beis HaMikdosh biyishuvo? Is there something basic I'm not aware of?

@user6591 No. I've never heard of such a practice. I just think its baseless not contradictory.

@Double did you read the new link? Rabbi Fogelman was mivatel the law to rip kria and replaced it with a shehechiyanu. This was after proclaiming the requirement to say hallel with a bracha in Iyar.

@user6591 my question is why didn't they abolish shiva aser betamuz and Tisha bav

@sam I am in complete agreement on that one.

@user6591 maybe because it's associated with the tzibur

@sam maybe. But I think technically it's easier to be mivatel a public fast by claiming we are no longer living under persecution than it is to be mivatel kria on a still destroyed Beis HaMikdosh.

@user6591 You assume the fasts were kept bc we are under persecution. Likely, they have long mostly been kept because we wanted to ("Ratzu").

@Double No. I don't assume that. But whoever would want to could claim to assume that, and have a case. Whereas concerning kria there is none.

@user6591 Do you still tear Keriya on Beit Lechem? But there are buildings there! "Desolate" isn't meant literally apparently. Furthermore, in 1967 the only thing preventing us from rebuilding the Mikdash was ourselves. Pretty stupid to tear Keriya over our own laziness, no?

@Double what? (15 char)