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Q: Can a woman convert to Judaism to marry Kohen due to the concept of sfeik sfeika?

MefareshA Rabbi involved in conversions recently told me a story about a conversion he took part in. He came to the Mikvah to take part in the Beis Din (Modern Orthodox Beis Din) and lo and behold he finds out that the Woman converting was converting with the intention to get married to her boyfriend. Bu...

 
What is a "Modern Orthodox Chief Rabbi in Israel"?
 
The av beis in the story is a modern orthodox aligned chief rabbi in israel...
 
@DoubleAA you can be a chief rabbi without being the chief rabbi of the entire state of israel. he is a rav harashi of a town.
 
Re: Sancheriv, כל הפורש מרובה קפורש - that is the whole point of the concept. The Sofek-Kohen argument exists, though, if you could have a genuine second sofek there. I see you skipped right over the "converting to marry" problem. Since the conversion is a non-conversion, there is no sfek-sfeika anyway.
 
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Safek Cohein works for money issues as far as chezkas mamon goes, but your never going to hear a Kohein skip the Sheim HaShem of birchas Kohanim so let's be realistic over here. Besides Yishai's point about Sancheriv it should also be noted that that idea is only said lichumra, not likula.
 
Not sure about the duplicate status of this, but Shulchan Aruch certainly post-dates Sancheriv.
 
@user6591 WRONG! The gemara records an ameleki (I think, but it may be an ammoni) who asks about conversion. The rabannim ruled likula to permit him to convert because of Sancheriv. Yishai is correct on this - it's a din of meiruba parish, with applies bein likula bein lechumra.
 
@IsaacKotlicky I think user6591 meant the end of his last sentence as a reference to the "safek" of kohanim.
 
@Yishai In this case, the safek may be (but without situational detail, we can't know) more along the lines of "This person's holocaust era mother/maternal grandmother has a Jewish last name but believes she's christian. Based upon the community she came from, it is likely that the grandmother was a hidden child of the holocaust and, therefore, that this woman is actually Jewish. So kol haparush may not apply as normal in this case."
 
@Isaac You are correct. I misspoke. What I meant by 'chumra' was that this rule takes away status, it does not create a new one. Except also 'lichumra' we can assume all Arabs might be Bnei ketura And Yishmael need mila, but this is a chashash lichumra.
 
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@user6591, no it is said Le'Kula as well, but it is far fetched, I agree, and stretched way beyond in this case in any event. See here for the Marashdam permitting a שבויה.
 
@Fred I guess my brain inserted a comma in that last sentence: "Besides, the whole point about ..."
 
@Yishai Re. "converting to marry," the Shulchan Aruch YD 268:12 (and AFAIK this is accepted as halacha l'ma'aseh) rules that such a conversion is not allowed l'chatchila, but it is valid b'di'avad if the convert's sincerity in accepting Judaism and kabbalas 'ol mitzvos is eventually confirmed by their post-conversion behavior. (I think the RCA actually does this l'chatchila- though with extra pre-conversion training - so maybe they are more lenient that the Sh"A, though I'm not sure of the basis for that). But anyway, both of those "s'feikos" in the OP seem fishy to me.
 
@Fred, that "sincerity in accepting Judaism" seems severely lacking in this case. I know Rav Moshe has a heter which is frankly almost as much of a stretch as the OP - and he acknowledges that in the Teshuva, but even that seems hard to apply to this case.
 
I found a Melamed Lehoil that is matir for a giyores to marry a kohen, but for other reasons, not because of this sfeik sfeika. hebrewbooks.org/…
 
@Mefaresh, interesting, but he actually says they shouldn't do kiddushin.
 
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@Mefaresh Just read your source. To say that the Melamed Lehoil is Matir allowing a Giyores to marry a Kohen might be a bit of a stretch. Saying that he is Melamed Zechus, or trying to limit the Issur as much as possible would be more accurate, IMO.
 
@Salmononius2 i can concede that.
See here for fuller treatment from Tzomet on this melamed lehoil: zomet.org.il/eng/?CategoryID=263&ArticleID=254
 
@Mefaresh That's good enough for me ;) On that note, if I had to guess, I would say your question is also referring to a Bedieved/Melamed Zechus situation. Did the Rabbi who told you this story mention anything along those lines or can you ask him?
 
He told me it was done lechatchila. He did mention this melamed lehoil though too.
 
@Mefaresh this will probably be deleted by a moderator, but I've found the greatest dividing factor between right wing (chareidi yeshivish/chasidish) and modern orthodox is that the right wingers can't understand that bidieved exists and is an acceptable option when need be. The modern orthodox on the other hand can't figure out that there is a lichatchila and not every ruling bidieved is correct to be relied on lichatchila.
@Yishai interesting read, thank you.
 
@user6591 been saying that for years..
 
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Isn't there also a problem of heskas zoina?, how can there be a sofik if there is a hazoko (that goy and that Kohen)?
 

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