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3:39 AM
12 hours ago, by Man_From_India
I don't think this sentence is wrong, but it sounds off to my ears -
The sentence sounds off to @Man_From_India!
That's one noisy sentence!
 
@JimReynolds Anything I could learn here? :)
 
 
2 hours later…
5:51 AM
@Student hai Student!
Just like @snailboat, I had an Indonesian friend from an online game. He always wrote hai for a greeting, instead of hi. I always felt it was kind of fun or nice. Cute!
 
 
2 hours later…
7:32 AM
Hullo @Student!
 
@JimReynolds hahaa "hai" refers to "hi".
Hello Mars (?) :)
 
Mars!
I love that nick.
 
I thought you have changed your name, no? :)
 
I did.
 
What time is it there in your part of the world? :)
It is my 2.35 PM here.
 
7:36 AM
11:01 a.m. Yours?
Oh. Thailand?
 
Its neighbour :)
 
Hmm, Thailand's neighbor?
 
Greetings from Indonesia :)
Where are you?
 
Whee
@Student Iran.
 
What "whee"?? :) Oh, Iran, wow!
You are 4 hours behind :) almost the same like Saudi time, yes?
 
7:39 AM
Thirty minutes ahead.
 
Pardon me, are you a native?
 
Nope. I'm just a learner. And a bad one at that.
 
same here, always be a learner :)
Nice to "meet" you Mar(s)! :)
 
Nice too meetcha too!
Tell me/us/them a bit about yourself.
 
"us"? "them"? nobody else is asking the same question now :)
@IͶΔ I am just an English learner here. Please just call me "student" :) That's all for now :)
 
7:47 AM
That's much elaborate.
You're exposed.
Well, I was talking about age, interests and stuff.
 
We should institute a tag called typos
1
Q: court smell -- what does that mean?

Cookie MonsterFrom the song Memory: When the dawn comes Tonight will be a memory too And a new day will begin Burnt out ends of smoky days The stale court smell of morning A street lamp dies Another night is over Another day is dawning How do you understand that?

 
@CopperKettle We should first agree on whether we allow typo questions.
 
@CopperKettle Thanks for bringing up that topic here. I am ready to learn :)
 
@Student A link to every question from the main site "one-boxes" here. That is, it turns magically into something like that.
 
@CopperKettle We may consider "Licencia Poetica" for song and poetry, right?
 
 
2 hours later…
9:35 AM
8
Q: "did you watch this movie" or "have you watched this movie"?

GeekWhat is the difference between these two : "did you watch this movie" or "have you watched this movie"?

You don't make an impression with your spelling. It is difficult to read and evokes the idea of an uneducated person. But what you say is correct. The minus 1 is not from me. It seems others don't like your spelling either. — rogermue 3 hours ago
I hope this kind of comment is not allowed on SE? I've flagged it as rude or offensive.
 
@JimReynolds Not sure.
It's not that that that that bad.
Or I'm in a good mood right now.
Don't get surprised if they decline it; go write a rant on meta instead.
 
9:54 AM
You, sir, should be banned from SE because ...
You caused global warming.
I just think, why write something that only serves to hurt someone's feelings. I'm a strong advocate of free speech, though, so ....
 
@JimReynolds Being in a bad mood happens to all of us.
@JimReynolds But you can't do that.
 
Um, so ... so ... Well, what name should I use to address you, young man?
 
@JimReynolds MAR.
 
Yaaaaay!
As in defect. Is that right?
To deface, to befoul?
 
To spoil.
 
9:59 AM
We need a kinder world, MAR.
 
Kinder syrup is only for kids.
 
10:17 AM
Is it rude to say how much I really <heart> you, my dear, dear MAR?
Breaks down into tears.
 
And rips.
 
Is it a crime to love?
Well, sometimes, I know.
It's his generous nature!
 
seeks the rhyme
 
10:58 AM
@IͶΔ Hope it's been solved.
 
@DamkerngT. Uh
Um
Er, erm
Hullo @BJB
 
I think I have another set of paraphrases which could be helpful.
I've gotta leave, so I'll just leave the paraphrases for now.
Two possible paraphrases for "What she wrote is unclear".
> a) "Do you know what she wrote?" "It's unclear (what part she wrote)."
> b) "What do you think about what she wrote?" "What she wrote is unclear."
 
11:40 AM
("keep off the cocaine")
 
Hah!
0
Q: GMS is an open source technologies based platform. (Is it correct)

Subin C PoonamgodeGot confused about this line. GMS is an open source technologies based platform. Is this sentence is correct? Friend A (Arguing): GMS is an, open source technologies based platform.(is right so no prob with sentence) Friend B (Arguing): GMS is ,an open source technologies based ...

Though it's quite obvious that an open-source technologies based platform would be correct, I wonder if he simply wanted an open-source-based platform or even simply an open-source platform.
For stuff like this, I prefer a platform based/built on/upon open-source technologies.
 
@IͶΔ Hi
@tchrist you're always seeking the rhyme
 
0
Q: I will be return within half an hour or I will return to job

amirI am going to bank and will be returned within half an hour

I have no good way to make that a good question.
Any edit will change the OP's intention and hints on the OP's background, I think.
I think it's clear what the OP wants. They just want to know how to say it (grammatically, and idiomatically).
The problem is, is that a good question? I don't know.
Okay, I tested the water.
What are the choices you have in mind? Are they these: a) I will be return within half an hour; b) I will be returned within half an hour; c) I will return within half an hour; d) I will be return to job; e) I will be returned to job; f) I will return to job; g) I will be return to job within half an hour; h) I will be returned to job within half an hour; i) I will return to job within half an hour; or j) all of them. — Damkerng T. 38 secs ago
 
12:11 PM
("Daddy, does God exist?" - "Not yet")
 
LOL
 
12:32 PM
(0:
Russian script is quaint. The first word napishite - you cannot tell apart several letters from each other.
because the letter Ш is very similar to the letter И
So иши looks like a series of sticks.
One advantage of the Russian script is that you don't have to cross all those t's and dot all those i's.
And cross the letters x
 
@CopperKettle It looks like Hanumune to me! (Which makes me think of Hanuman)
 
@DamkerngT. LOL, yes (0:
 
@CopperKettle Oh! I guess we can write (a little) faster in Russian. :D
 
The Russian sound i (eee) has the printed character и but in writing it's written like the English u.
@DamkerngT. Yes, I feel irksome when I switch to English cursive.
It's very slow to write compared with Russian cursive.
I wonder why did not they ditch all those crossed t's and dotted i's
 
I have no idea. But I'm used to it now.
 
12:38 PM
And we write x without separating the pen from the paper.
in the photo, the word которых (second line, close to the right margin)
 
Actually, it's not very different from Thai handwriting, because Thai has lots of upper and lower vowels.
 
@DamkerngT. Do you mean that your letters for vowels differ (uppercase vs. lowercase)?
 
@CopperKettle Not all of them, but lots of them.
It's not exactly like uppercase/lowercase in English.
กะ กา กิ กี กุ กู
See, some vowels are up there, and some are down there!
 
It's actually not Hanumune but Hanuшume (0:
 
And some are on the same level as consonants (ก is the first letter in Thai).
@CopperKettle looking that up...
 
12:41 PM
@DamkerngT. it must be tiresome to draw these squiggly things above the letters
 
Hah! Google Translate thinks it's in Maori!?
 
@DamkerngT. because I mixed the Latin and Cyrillic scripts. Google TRanslate is not yet smart enough to discern the original word. (0:
 
@CopperKettle I guess we're used to it like English speakers and their letters. :D
 
We used to have a crossed letter ь and an i, but these were abolished, to the jubilation of schoolpupils
 
A nice move.
 
12:43 PM
In Ukraine, they still have i and и to mean the same sound (eee)
BBL!
 
CUL!
Selamat malam! @Student
 
err...err...I was about to greet you @DamkerngT. :)
 
It's okay. I usually take about 5-10 minutes to read what happened in the room while I was away as well.
 
We translate "Selamat malam" to "Good night". So, it would prefer to say "Selamat sore" for "Good evening". It is still 7.47 PM here :)
 
I was about to leave, so I thought at least I should greet you first. :D
@Student Ahh! I see! I though malam meant "evening". Thanks!
 
12:48 PM
I should scroll up and check things I could learn here this evening :)
 
Selamat sore!
Sure!
 
See you :) Take care!
 
Sampai jumpa!
 
1:19 PM
I seem to have missed a lot of interesting things.Hi.
 
Hi all
 
Hi @MrChasi
@V.V. This chatroom is a microcosm of the human experience.
Of course, of the Artificial Intelligence experience, too. Not to leave out Damkerng T.
 
1:49 PM
Hi @JimReynolds What are the interesting subjects you usually provide to your students of English?
 
I try to find out what is important to them.
What do you want to use English for, Student?
 
2:06 PM
@JimReynolds I use English for some purposes, such as English for Academic Purpose, writing, translating, communicating with clients etc.
 
@CopperKettle haha!
 
(0:
> In a psychiatric ward, a group of patients are watching a news program on the TV. One of them exclaims after each news report: "thanks God I'm inside an asylum!"
One of the doctors notices this and tells to another quietly: "we should discharge that one, he has surely recovered already".
 
Haha!
A woman goes to see a psychiatrist and says, "Doctor, I have tomatoes growing out of my ears."
 
And...
 
The psychiatrist says, "I'm glad you came to see me. That's certainly unusual."
"It sure is. I planted carrots!"
 
2:12 PM
Hi,hi
Jim, are you an ESL teacher?
 
Yes.
 
Do you teach adults or children?
In groups?
 
90% adults. More often 1-1 or small groups these days.
Student, you study now and also work?
 
Do you use local or British or American books?
 
I spread out tons of books of all kinds and encourage independent reading.
Never textbooks or "EFL" books.
 
2:24 PM
You mean you don't use textbooks at all?
 
"Graded readers" sometimes.
 
Anonymous
It's striking how much harder it is to read messages on the new mobile chat interface. I wonder why people like grey text better than black.
 
No. Not unless someone really wants one.
 
I didn't notice any changes
 
Anonymous
You have to opt in.
 
2:27 PM
No, the reason is a mobile gadget
@snailboat, what was the book you explained yesterday?
Camb Guide to Eng Grammar?
 
@V.V. This one:
Well, that gives Taiwan information, but it is the book
Do you love grammar?
 
@Jim
Thanks. Yes, I have always thought it was of the first importance.
It is.
And it was
And it has been.
 
2:44 PM
And it will never had should be!
 
Which of them is correct? Please,don't close the question
LOL
 
Oh, well, which of what?
 
A joke
 
OK. Haha
I'm still adjusting to who you are. For a while, you didn't say much and I decide you had very basic English skills and you're shy!
haha
Since then, I realize neither of those are true, but I seem to revert back to that impression unconsiously.
Or Since then I realized ... ? have realized?
 
Let it be a secret, or You'd tell everybody
 
2:48 PM
I know little about grammar. But I like what I'm learning.
Ok. It's safe with me.
Grammar is important for what?
:-)
Do you think one needs to study grammar to communicate well in English as a foreign language?
22 hours ago, by snailboat
With dislocation, the subject is referential. With extraposition, the subject is not; it's dummy it.
I will never acquire a facility with information about grammar like snailboat has.
 
Now I'd like to know your guesses just hint
 
But I is a good teacher!
I guess you think it's necessary.
I think it's best learned unconsciously by most people. But if people enjoy it, or if they don't feel comfortable without it, that's another story.
 
Better make a hint Is it correct?
 
Anonymous
Native speakers know you can say Aren't I but not *I aren't. It might not be so obvious to non-native speakers unless you point it out. Pointing it out is teaching grammar.
 
Make a hint is not standard.
True, @snailboat. That's important. It's easy to make incorrect assumptions about listeners.
Are you a linguist, V.V.?
 
Anonymous
2:55 PM
@V.V. The reference I use most often is The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language.
 
OMG! Does V. stand for Vygotsky????
His great-granddaughter?
@V.V. I do not understand what you mean by make a hint.
Does it mean make a guess?
 
No, not that far...
You have a great imagination
 
Anonymous
I see grammar as a natural phenomenon which can be documented like any other. Turning that into something useful to learners is a separate step.
 
Anonymous
Swan's Practical English Usage is a pedagogical grammar, an attempt at distilling the information other linguists have found into a format useful to learners.
 
A useful step?
 
Anonymous
3:01 PM
CGEL isn't really written for learners.
 
Do you think it's necessary to teach someone explicitly that we can say Aren't I but not I aren't?
Well, grammar is the rules for how to use a language, we all must learn it to use a language, I think we can say that.
 
@JimReynolds Depends, I think.
Hello, everyone!
 
But consciously, explicitly? I don't think so.
Hello.
Just like a dancer doesn't need to know anything about ATP.
 
@JimReynolds adenosine triphosphate?
 
3:03 PM
(0:
 
They may not absolutely need it, but knowing it can be helpful.
 
@CopperKettle Bless you!
 
Is ATP about tennis?
I know that ATP tour!
 
ATP is the key molecule for providing energy to the body.
 
@DamkerngT. Sure. Or harmful, in many cases!
 
Anonymous
3:04 PM
You can write beautiful music without knowing any music theory. But learning theory may be helpful.
 
Yes. If we guess that we essentially learn best by understanding things that are important or interesting, and we think or feel that way about grammar, well.
The question is confounded.
 
You know, it's like decorating a Christmas tree. You need a tree first
 
Big question (maybe not so big): Can everyone master their own native language without going to school?
No reading. No studying. Just talk.
 
Sure.
 
I bet some can, but probably they're the only few of us.
 
3:07 PM
It depends on your definition of master.
 
I'm not sure we need grammar. In school, I remembered only one rule of Russian grammar, writing и in жи, ши, and that only because that rule rhymed. (0:
 
Pre-schoolers have quite astounding language skills.
 
@JimReynolds Like submitting a technical paper without using anything incorrectly unintentionally.
 
Can you roughly translate that, @Cop, or I suppose it's not easy?
Certainly not!
 
@DamkerngT. The majority of Earth's languages for 99% of the time were purely spoken, not written. (0:
 
3:09 PM
@DamkerngT. Sorry, I'm still learning how to use the reply function!
 
Anonymous
Of course, those preschoolers have been learning the language since before they were born. Their brains are fairly specialized by the time they enter preschool.
 
@JimReynolds The rule is to write the letter и in the syllables жи, ши, despite the fact that we pronounce the sound as ы.
 
Anonymous
That sounds like spelling rather than grammar.
 
yes, spelling.
 
@CopperKettle Hmm... I'm thinking that it's lower than 99%.
Also, spoken can be divided several ways. One way is planned vs. unplanned.
 
3:11 PM
@DamkerngT. I mean, human civilization, the cromagnon people. We've been on Earth for 40 000 years, and we've been writing down words for about 4 000 years.
 
Planned speech is more or less like writing, I think.
@CopperKettle Oh, sure! If you come from that angle!
 
Be careful. The chimpanzees might be reading this!
 
@JimReynolds Nah, I don't think they have any chance, as long as we robots are still around. :P
 
@DamkerngT. haha!
 
3:15 PM
:P
 
@DamkerngT. Are they too picky about my leisure?
 
@CopperKettle I can't say for all of us. :D
 
okay (0:
 
I used to think that it's a really hard problem making robots (or AI, for that matter) to truly understand natural languages.
I still think so, but I have a feeling that the problem might be solved within a decade.
 
@DamkerngT. It's an amazing world we live in!
 
3:20 PM
Indeed!
 
nods
 
Anonymous
Whew! The old chat UI is so much better.
 
@snailboat LOL -- I was wondering when you'd say that!
 
Where's the new one?
 
on the floor now!
 
Anonymous
3:21 PM
I switched back and my eyes are already thanking me.
 
@CopperKettle You have to opt in and use a mobile device to chat.
 
Anonymous
The text is easy to see again! :-)
 
Ah..
 
Anonymous
It's not really worth suffering through the new UI just for editing, replying, and starring.
 
@snailboat Perhaps it'll be better in the next release.
 
Anonymous
3:24 PM
Yeah, I should probably give them some feedback, but I imagine they won't listen to "Everything is worse", so I'll have to pick and choose things to point out.
 
> The Japanese have invented a robot-cop. In a trial in Japan, it caught 100 criminals in a week. In the US, 200 criminals. In Russia, it got stolen within a day.
 
Just another Russian joke. (0:
 
I'm planning to snatch a Amazon's drone if they'll fly one to here. :D
 
Anonymous
After all, I imagine the new UI is only very temporarily optional. My poor eyes will have to deal with it sooner or later, unless I choose only to chat from actual computers.
 
3:26 PM
Hmm... that's probably ungrammatical. I added "Amazon's" after I finished the sentence.
 
Anonymous
Yes, it's ungrammatical.
 
Anonymous
Say an Amazon drone.
 
nods
Sometimes I wonder I made more errors in real speech or in chat. I probably make lots of errors all the time! :D
 
Anonymous
Everyone makes errors. It's okay :-)
 
@snailboat I wish they would allow us to zoom in and out the page at will in the next revision.
 
Anonymous
3:30 PM
I make a fair number of errors when I edit my own writing.
 
@snailboat Oh, that sounds like editing is the cause of errors!
 
Anonymous
It frequently is!
 
Hah!
Oh, you meant editing in chat.
 
Anonymous
Editing anywhere.
 
I think editing as in proofreading would reduce the number of errors, generally speaking.
 
Anonymous
3:32 PM
It's easy to change something in a sentence without realizing how it affects the sentence as a whole.
 
Hmm... I think that's true, too.
 
Anonymous
So you have to cultivate a habit of rereading after an edit, preferably aloud.
 
I miss those days when we'd print the whole thing (usually some code or manuscript) out and check it on paper.
It's slower, but I think it's more effective.
 
or efficient
 
Probably. Some people may think of efficient or productive differently.
 
Anonymous
3:36 PM
Some people still do reviews by reading code :-)
 
raising hand
 
@CopperKettle Those are the best kind of jokes! Silly Russians!!
 
Thanks, on behalf of all silly Russians!
 
@JimReynolds ^Here is another kind of joke. It's a confusing kind!
Hmm... I thought I'd already fixed the first sentence!
Fixed!
 
@JimReynolds The word "silly" orinally meant "pure, saintly, blessed"
> 1470: Sely Scotland, that of helpe has gret neide.
> "Blessed Scotland, that of help has great need"
 
3:47 PM
@CopperKettle Oh, it was spelled sely!
 
I guess it was spelled in a variety of ways, there was no grammar police around in 1470.
And ELL StackExchange had a handful of users then.
 
> 1633: Thou onely art The mightie God, but I a sillie worm.
"You only are the mighty God, I am a weak worm"
 
I used to think "carry" and co. could never have /æ/ when I was younger.
 
> The stale court smell of morning
I didn't realize that /l/ could sound this close to /r/ before this clip.
 
3:50 PM
Nice song that led to a typo.
> I take your offer and will live with you,
Provided that you do no outrages
On silly women or poor passengers.
("On weak women")
(Shakespeare, 1591)
> In Old English, the word bird (brid at that point) referred
only to young birds. The word for birds in general was fugol, just as the
same root in German, Vogel, is today. But brid broadened to refer to all
birds over time, while fugol narrowed and became today’s fowl,
referring only to game birds.
 
This part silly women or poor passengers is curious.
 
"silly" meant "weak" in 1591.
 
Ahh
 
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