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9:07 AM
I was told by P.E Dent
that the example sentence: 'Being taken to the hospital, he died' is in "continueous participle clause in passive voice". I don't understand what "continueous participle clause in passive voice" mean. Could you please teach me about it ?
 
 
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10:58 AM
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A: So much in our society is about making more and more money

Colin FineI don't quite understand your first question. "So much people" is not idiomatic - some would say it is not grammatical. If you think that "so much" in your example means "so many people", you are misinterpreting. It is vague exactly what it is referring to, but it is definitely not about "peopl...

Nice answer! (filed under "How to explain trivial things" in my bookmarks)
@yubrajsharma The term he used is probably non-standard. I don't know if we have any standard term for it, or if we need one, but I guess linguists would have one or perhaps many for it.
Whatever the name is, it's more important to know that it's a participle clause; being there is the -ing form of be and the main verb of that clause is taken, so it's in the passive voice.
 
11:21 AM
I'm not sure this question is really a duplicate of the suggested one. IMHO, we need more context to decide whether we should use a or the in at least three of the four examples more carefully, and unlike "before the train comes", I'd say that we can argue for either a or the in all sentences above having no contexts or intended meanings. — Damkerng T. 10 mins ago
I think no one would notice my comment because it's hidden by the five comments on top of it.
@Rubisco nods
 
Anonymous
12:05 PM
@yubrajsharma The answer you're asking about is mostly wrong, so I wouldn't spend too much brainpower trying to figure it out.
 
Anonymous
Some parts of the answer look correct, but I don't think reading those parts of the answer will help you.
 
Wow, I didn't know Nora Roberts has written that many novels! (209 romance novels, according to Wikipedia)
> She submitted her manuscripts to Harlequin, the leading publisher of romance novels, but was repeatedly rejected. Roberts says,
"I got the standard rejection for the first couple of tries, then my favorite rejection of all time. I received my manuscript back with a nice little note which said that my work showed promise, and the story had been very entertaining and well done. But that they already had their American writer. That would have been Janet Dailey."
Nice!
Rejection didn't stop her.
 
Anonymous
A lot of writers go through a lot of rejections before they get published.
 
12:20 PM
@snailplane why do you think answer is not quite true ?
 
Anonymous
Harry Potter was rejected a dozen times.
 
@snailplane Hah!
 
Anonymous
@yubrajsharma That will take a while to answer and I don't have time at the moment.
 
Anonymous
I think parts of it are correct, but I don't think they'll help you…
 
@snailplane So do I think
 
Anonymous
12:22 PM
Maybe correct but irrelevant.
 
Anonymous
Doesn't really address your confusion.
 
Which answer Are you talking about?
 
Anonymous
I think the question is hard to answer, though, because the examples are unnatural. If you had an example written by a native speaker written in context, it would be much easier to answer, I think.
 
@snailplane oh i see
But It doesn't matter what the examples are there in my questions! All I want to know is starting a sentence using" being+past participle".I think you understand my confusion
 
Anonymous
I think I do…
 
12:33 PM
Those examples are written by myself
@snailplane I wrote myself because I wanted to use those kind of construction
 
Anonymous
But because beaten by snow is confusing in terms of meaning, it's hard to make judgments about aspect, I think.
 
If my goal is to master the English language, I'd want to ask myself "Why would I want to do this? Is this a good way that can help me master the language?" rather often. -- Everyone has their own learning style, that's true, but some approaches are more effective and some others.
 
Anonymous
And you have to interpret it to talk about having been beaten versus being beaten.
 
@snailplane As i said before,I wrote those sentences myself
 
Anonymous
Yes, I can tell
 
12:38 PM
@snailplane I don't know how to ask again,
 
Anonymous
Well, you don't have to ask again… for now I have to go, but I can talk more about the subject later.
 
@snailplane See you soon!
 
@snailplane Ok I would be looking for you !
@DamkerngT. Hi
 
Um, I was here all along, but okay, hi!
 
@DamkerngT. What do you think about my question?
 
12:42 PM
Which question?
 
About starting sentence using" being+past participle"
 
Hmm... I think you think too much.
You should feel the language before staring to analyze it. That's what I think.
 
@DamkerngT. Why ?
 
@yubrajsharma Isn't it more like you're trying to practice incorrect English if you keep coming up with your own sentences, which are probably incorrect in English?
Some might not be quite idiomatic; some might be downright ungrammatical.
 
@DamkerngT. I think you're right , but what can I do
 
12:46 PM
@yubrajsharma You can read (or listen to native speakers' speech) more often.
That's what I call "get the feeling of the language".
The more you read, the more you hear, the more you can feel how the language is normally used.
 
I think I need to search for those kind of sentences in internet and Ask question again with context
 
That's a great idea!
 
@DamkerngT. But I rather suspect the question would be marked as duplicate
@DamkerngT. What do you think?
 
You could at least try searching for similar questions on ELL. That way you can tell anyone that you've looked into the problem (i.e. research) when asked.
Or even better, you can include what you've found on our site in your new question when you write one. :D
 
@DamkerngT. Ok thanks for suggestion
 
12:51 PM
You're welcome!
 
@DamkerngT. Ok
@DamkerngT. I have learned a lot from this website, but unfortunately, I came to know about this website later !
 
Aww...
But they say, "It's never too late!"
 
@DamkerngT. Expexperts are very helpful
 
nods -- (in most international settings, the act of nodding would imply "nods in agreement")
 
@DamkerngT. nods ?
 
12:58 PM
@yubrajsharma I edited my nods message to clarify "nodding". :-)
 
@DamkerngT. Ok
@DamkerngT. One question, Do the experts here knows others personally?
 
@yubrajsharma Hmm... I guess most do not, but some might.
 
@DamkerngT. Isn't it good idea to include personal information in the profile, but I see most of us don't.why ?
 
@yubrajsharma Some might want to keep their anonymity, for many possible reasons.
 
What could be the reasons ? What is the best to do ?
 
1:04 PM
Well, I think different people have different reasons. :-)
 
@DamkerngT. Neither do we post our photo in profile
 
@yubrajsharma I suppose it was quite common when the internet was still young.
Stalking was a real problem.
Still is.
 
Don't we want to be recognized by others?
 
@yubrajsharma Some do, some don't. :-)
 
Stalking ? What's this ?
 
1:06 PM
So it's up to each user whether they're comfortable with reveal their personal information and by how much.
@yubrajsharma I guess you can find its meaning in dictionaries. It's a common word.
But to give you an idea, I guess you must've heard an example of those cases where someone just shows up in front of a celebrity's house.
That's an example of stalking.
Oops! reveal 'revealing their personal information'
 
Hi!
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Q: How it feels to be riding

Jasmine Kuo "I cannot explain how excruciating it feels to be riding 40km through the desert. You'd expect organizers and the UCI to have some knowledge about cycling."Dutch cyclist Roxane Knetemann said. Please look at the sentence in bold. Is there a reduced clause? What is the original clause? I don'...

 
I would feel uncomfortable including personal information, because it will be open all the time, toa ll the people
 
> I cannot explain how excruciating it feels to be riding 40km through the desert. You'd expect organizers and the UCI to have some knowledge about cycling.
^Some interesting grammatical choices.
@CowperKettle If only you were the organizer! :P (of that tournament(?))
 
Of what tournament?
 
1:20 PM
I'm not sure. I haven't checked. The one by UCI and Roxane Knetemann was in.
 
I cannot explain how excruciating it feels to be having to start a translation on cell banks.
 
Haha!
 
@DamkerngT. Ok I will look it up in the dictionary.
 
1:40 PM
@Man_From_India You have commented in ell.stackexchange.com/questions/106725/… that you're going to answer me today
@DamkerngT. I hope you would convey my message to @Man_From_India
 
@yubrajsharma He's a regular user of this room. He'll see your message when he comes in. :-)
 
@yubrajsharma I can't post any answer there anymore. But I will post comments here quoting the book.
 
2:05 PM
@yubrajsharma hmmm that being taken to the hospital is a Gerund-participle clause. And it's in passive in that the implied subject is not the agent, rather it's the recipient. The implied subject is he. In that clause he is being taken to hospital, someone else is taking him to hospital. So that Gerund-participle clause is in passive voice. It's at the same time continuous because it's talking about a process that takes place over a certain period of time.
And he died when? when he was being taken to the hospital.
In one book I read that such use of Gerund-participle clause is not very common in daily conversation English. So when Mary Lau commented that this sentence is not that good, I was not surprised.
However, not every time this type of construction would mean the same thing.
It's context dependent.
Take this example -
> Being a leader, he stood before his group.
See this is also the same construction like your sentence. But here the Gerund-participle clause doesn't mean time. It means status or characteristics of the implied subject.
 
2:29 PM
> Creaction, qualification and maintenance of cell banks
Creaction, qualification and **maintaining** of cell banks
Option 1 is better, but I forgot why
 
Parallelism, I think.
 
probably because "maintaining" poorly combines with "of"
 
That, too.
 
How is "thank you" in Thai?
 
Hi, posted a question, hope it's understandable
 
2:32 PM
Kob Khun Khrap!
@V.V. where?
Good evening, V.V.!
 
K̄hx k̄hxbkhuṇ
O.O
 
ขอบคุณครับ, Yes!
 
East Asians sure like 'k'.
 
@DamkerngT. Looks like dried instant noodles to me. (0:
 
Haha!
Hehe!
 
2:33 PM
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Q: Words for "spending much time on the net"

V.V.What's the word for a person who spends much time on the net and especially the verb meaning "to spend much time on the net"? Everybody knows this meaning of the verb "to hang": Computers To cause (a computer system) to halt so that input devices, such as the keyboard or the mouse, do not f...

I'm not sure if my answer is correct, but we usually say 'he is procrastinating from real work', V.V.
 
:D
hang, hang out, hang around, all could be used in such a context, I think.
 
I'd use "hang out"
As a translation of the Russian зависать (to hang out)
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@CowperKettle I wish I could pin this
 
Word of the day: controlled document
 
2:48 PM
*phrase
BTW, from now on, let's have one word of the day per day, and the suggestion will be pinned for a whole day.
It's so bureaucratic. I love it.
 
3:00 PM
Mar, you are the best.
So, it's understandable
And a noun is a lazybone.
 
what?
"And a noun is a lazybone"?
 
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Q: Why 2 verbs in this sentence?

OheeThe following is a part of CNN Student News dated on Oct 18, 2016; "Hundreds of US troops are involved, though the Pentagon says they're not on the front line. And the forces that are can call in air support when they meet with tough resistance from the terrorist." In the part of 'that are can ...

I think that sentence is grammatically correct. But that that are doesn't add anything. My question is if it sounds natural.
 
3:19 PM
@Man_From_India reminds me of "powers that be"
 
> The dreamed-of future where machines browse the Web (and it’s APIs) for us discovering content, executing tasks, and building out new systems of understanding for ourselves, remains an ideal.
 
@Man_From_India ah! "that are" means "that are on the frontline"
 
And we trust self-driving cars!
That's right! @CowperKettle
 
Anonymous
Yes, that are does add something. It's a relative clause with emphatic polarity and post-auxiliary ellipsis.
 
People usually think sentences are self-contained, but in reality, many are not.
(Just my opinion, though.)
 
3:25 PM
Many are not people? O_O
 
LOL
 
@snailplane And the forces ( that are ___) can call in
that there is subject, not the subordinator.
This way, right?
What meaning does that are add?
 
It repeats the same info in the previous sentence, but in contrast, though.
 
Oh now got it.
@CowperKettle thanks.
At one glance, it seemed strange.
 
Anonymous
Whether that is a relative pronoun or a subordinator is a matter of some debate.
 
Anonymous
3:31 PM
CGEL, following Jespersen, would say that relative that is the same subordinator we find in non-relative subordinate clauses.
 
Anonymous
In any case, we can call it "relative that".
 
nods, feigning understanding
Tomorrow the temperatures will finally drop below zero.
says good-bye to mud
 
Anonymous
Brr!
 
^_^
And in a couple of weeks' time the Yunost Skating Rink may open
says hello to skating
 
3:38 PM
Snowman is coming to town! :-)
 
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@DamkerngT. He is already here. It was a blizzard while we bicycled in the Mayakovsky Park today
 
Oh! Nice! BTW, I don't know if we still have any skating rinks over here. I guess there are some.
 
@DamkerngT. You must have a lot!
Bangkok is a big city
Google shows at least 3
> L7,701, Ratchadaphisek Rd
 
One just got closed late last year.
 
Here, skating is cheap in the winter
The Yunost is close by, so I go there to skate with my bicyclyst friends ^_^
 
3:42 PM
Funny. I have to fight with Siri in my own language (pronouncing shop vs. rink). :-)
 
@CowperKettle I guess you have plenty over there.
 
Plenty Yunost?
 
@DamkerngT. Yes, there's one even closer, but it belongs to a university
@Rubisco What?
 
We have a lot of Tabriz in here.
@CowperKettle Well, what's plenty? Yonust? Bicyclist friends?
 
3:44 PM
Skating rinks, of course. :D
 
Hi
 
Low
 
Hi!
 
A herd of cows
A ....... of birds?
5 secs to answer
:-)
 
3:45 PM
@Cardinal flock
 
@CowperKettle Yop.
 
@CowperKettle Nice!
Interestingly, YouTube recommended The Making of Aliens as the next video!
Bah! I said recommend-ed! Siri!
 
4:15 PM
> “We are clearly the sisters three, and the moons are now gathered.”
An interesting word order.
 
@DamkerngT. The Sisters Three Coming to cinemas this weekend
 
4:30 PM
@Man_From_India It would be muv
 
What's the book, the link doesn't work with me
 
> There were three brothers in merry Scotland
In Scotland there lived brothers three
And they did cast lots which of them should go,
For to turn robber all on the salt sea.
a beautiful song
 
@Man_From_India I think you're right to say that !But P.E Dent and Mari-louA didn't talk about gerund. It would be much better if you could post your answer there which would challenge the answer's of others.
 
Anonymous
@yubrajsharma Right now, you have an answer marked as 'accepted'. Some people are reluctant to post answers if you've already accepted one.
 
@snailplane I would unaccept that
 
4:37 PM
"Henry Martin" (also "Henry Martyn" or "The Lofty Tall Ship") is a traditional Scottish folk song about Henry Martin, a seafarer who turns to piracy to support his two older brothers. == History == The first known printed version dates from the early 17th century and consisted of 82 verses describing the exploits of Sir Andrew Barton and his two brothers, Robert and John. Barton was a privateer who carried a letter of marque issued by James IV, king of Scotland, giving him the right to arrest and seize Portuguese ships. He is alleged, however, to have exceeded his licence, engaging more generally...
Amazing. This song is 400 years old
 
Ama-sing
 
Udivitelno in Russian
 
@yubrajsharma don't focus too much on terminology at this stage. Different grammarians prefer different terminology. You can call it ing clause for simplicity.
 
@yubrajsharma Just because people didn't talk about something doesn't mean it's not there.
 
4:45 PM
For @V.V. :-) -- The Sisters' Grimoire By Suza Kates
 
For LOVE
FOR DESTINY
 
:D
@CowperKettle The clip is a bit too quiet, but the melody reminds me of Wynken, Blynken, and Nod. :-)
 
@DamkerngT. Thank you, Dam! I'll look it up
 
Speaking of Scottish, I just learned that Rod Stewart is also Scottish (besides British) a few days ago!
 
(0:
Yay! I'm a Jacobite meself
This song (Henry Martin) was an ancient song when Peter the Great ascended to the throne of Russia
 
4:52 PM
Ahh
> used to indicate that there are several more people like the one or ones mentioned, but that you do not intend to mention them all ⇒ He is expected to be supported at the meeting by Dennis Skinner and Tony Benn among others., ⇒ The gallery has an excellent collection of Impressionist works by, among others, Manet and Renoir.
A strange entry in a dictionary.
 
@Man_From_India I was hoping you'd post your answer !!!!
@snailplane I have unaccepted the answer.........
@Man_From_India I'm not focusing it much because I think participle and gerund are different.You're descring that sentence to have gerund which P.E Dent said to have participle.
 
Anonymous
5:10 PM
@yubrajsharma In some grammars, the two are treated as the same thing. In traditional grammar, it would be a participle.
 
Anonymous
@yubrajsharma You might want to give it another week before accepting an answer. Sometimes it can take people a while to get their thoughts straight and to come up with ag ood answer.
 
@snailplane Thanks
 
What it's called is less important to learners than how it's used, IMO.
 
Anonymous
But how it's used should be more important :-)
 
to himself -- Jinx! -- A-ha! It was because of the typo!
 
5:12 PM
@snailplane one thing to ask, how much questions can I ask in one day ?
 
Anonymous
@yubrajsharma You can ask as many high quality questions as you can write. For most people, it's hard to write a large number of high quality questions, so they can't ask very many.
 
Anonymous
If you ask a large number of low quality questions in one day, they will be closed or deleted.
 
Anonymous
Quality is more important than quantity :-)
 
@snailplane How the quality of a question is described?
 
Anonymous
A good question should tell us everything we need to know to answer, and it should be clear what you need to know. We should know what you've looked up so far, what specifically doesn't make sense, and so on. If there's any context for a quote, you should share it.
 
Anonymous
5:16 PM
A good question doesn't have to be long, but it should contain enough details or context for people to write a useful answer.
 
Weird! I heard "What gives?" probably three times already within less than an hour, switching to Cartoon Network channel. (In case you wonder why I turned to this channel, it's because all entertainment channels except for sports, news, documentaries and kid programs are off at the moment, and will be so for about a month.)
 
@DamkerngT. Why?
A strike or something?
 
@snailplane ok Thanks
 
@Rubisco Well, our mourning period is one year.
 
Raises eyebrows
Let's eat the fifth
 
5:19 PM
@snailplane Is it a high or low quality question which I an going to ask:
@snailplane What's the Meaning of "being helped" in the following sentence:

*Share your experiences of being helped by the Air Ambulance.

Source: http://www.worksopguardian.co.uk/news/share-your-experiences-of-being-helped-by-the-air-ambulance-1-8057024

2.California Nice victim talks about being helped by a stranger
Nice victim Greg Krentzman from Culver City, Calif, talks about being helped by a good Samaritan after being hit by a truck that killed 80.

Source:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1311771/California-Nice-victim-talks-helped-stranger.html
 
Um, the patient slipped and fell, being helped!?
What kind of help was that?!
 
@snailplane and what about this :
 
In #1 and #2, being help acts more like noun phrases (so they'd be gerunds in traditional grammar).
 
@snailplane What's the differences in the meaning in the following sentences:
1. After being arrested, he was taken to the police station.
2. After having been arrested,he was taken to the police station.
 
I wonder if snailplane is busy with something at the moment.
 
5:25 PM
@snailplane what do you think ?
 
@DamkerngT. I wonder if yubraj got the memo.
 
@Rubisco I wonder that, too.
Weird cartoon!
Note the ruin letters in the background. They're LOTR-ish!
8.7 on IMDb!
 
@DamkerngT. Adventure time is an interesting show.
 
I'd never come across this one before!
I guess they would sing a song or two in each episode. :D
 
It's post-apocalyptic, but you see it as a fun jolly show.
Or that's how I remember the plot.
@DamkerngT. Not EACH episode, but prolly every couple of episodes
 
5:34 PM
A-ha!
 
It's revolving around a boy, and a dog with magical powers.
The boy doesn't have a nose, but that doesn't look creepy somehow.
 
I don't know why a post-apocalyptic dog can talk, but I guess they must've explained it early on in the show.
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Q: Which noun does the participal phrase modify?

Parth MaskeI am unable to understand this question (number 11). I think that option A is correct as it working as a participal phrase. But I am not sure which noun does it modify. The correct answer is C. Given that the answer to Question 10 is J, the original passage looks like this: Of the numerou...

That makes me wonder where that (mocked?) test is from.
Probably SAT or GMAT.
(where style is as important as grammar)
What's the difference between ACT and SAT again?!
> Bottom Line: With the SAT's updates, the Writing sections for both tests are more similar than they were before. However, if you have a solid knowledge of grammar and sentence structure, you may find ACT English easier while if you prefer questions about writing style and vocabulary, SAT Writing may be easier for you.
Everything is awesome in the age of the Internet!
 
5:55 PM

Why downvotes shouldn't be obligatory; side comments

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Bookmarked 4 mins ago by Rubisco

 
Nice!
 
> ... exhibits reproducible growth and productivity parameters and complies with all the safety requirements stipulated in Russian laws and international regulations.
Shouldn't it be by Russian laws?
 
I think stipulated tilts the probability.
 
tilts?
> Cell banks are created, qualified and maintained to allow the generation of a standard characterized pool of cells that, if cultured according to the requirements, exhibits reproducible growth and productivity parameters and complies with all the relevant safety requirements present in Russian laws and international regulations.
 
@CowperKettle Yep, so in is quite possible, and probably is the better choice.
 
6:07 PM
The original text says about Russian legislation and internationally-actepted "regulatory documents"
 
Hmm... not sure. It depends on the intended meaning, I suppose.
 
"stipulated in ... international requlations" might be awkward (0:
"stipulated in .. international regulatory documents" more like it
 
I'd say articles (laws) and regulations are pretty much similar.
 
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Q: What's the policy on using profanity in answers (where appropriate)?

AndrewA recent question asked what were some other terms for "to waste time doing ..." I provided the various G-rated options and suggested there were many other R-rated options. Is it OK to list those options, along with any useful warnings about when and where they might be acceptable? After all...

 
6:11 PM
Another translator did it thus:
> ... and meets all regulatory safety requirements established in Russia and worldwide.
besides "established", I like her version
 
6:38 PM
Is it okay to write "These Regulations govern how all the procedures for creation, qualification and maintenance of cell banks in COMPANY are carried out".
The "Regulations govern how" bit concerns me
 
@CowperKettle Sounds weird
 
> These Regulations govern how COMPANY performs its procedures for creation, qualification and maintenance of cell line banks
 
I can't keep thinking of it as the other sense of 'company'
 
@Rubisco agreed
 
Oh wait, it's the name of the company?
 
6:40 PM
yes
I cannot disclose it
 
Oh then, that structure is good.
 
ah! Dhanyavaad
 
@CowperKettle I'm used to blanks being denoted by brackets.
@CowperKettle Wat
Passive voices in scientific stuff is a must Cowp.
 
I mean, mamnūnam
ممنونم
 
Don't mention it
 
6:44 PM
> These Regulations govern how [company] performs its procedures for creation, qualification and maintenance of cell line banks and for the periodic monitoring of the storage conditions.
Isn't "periodic monitoring" odd?
Does not "monitoring" imply a constant process?
I mean, a continuous one?
But good night
 
 
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9:21 PM
An interesting chart.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:40 PM
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Q: Looking for "turn to dust" alternative as a single word

GuardianXI'm looking for the verb meaning "turn to dust" in the sense that the card can be broken into pieces and dust. The best candidates for me right now are "dismantle", "fission", "shatter", "break". To give more context: I'm making a game where there are cards with souls embroidered into said cards...

I'd use purify or cleanse, but that would turn the question into an XY problem.
 
11:05 PM
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Q: Is wiktionary a reasonable source to back up answers?

shakesbeerJust stumbled upon a question that was looking for a specific word. The one I had in mind was not there, so I thought I add it as an answer. As all other answers were backed up by links to dictionaries, which appeared to be a good practice I should adopt, I tried to do the same. On my internet ...

 
@snailplane Please reply me
 
Anonymous
@yubrajsharma I'm sorry, I don't have the mental energy to answer all of your questions myself right now.
 
11:21 PM
@snailplane what I asked was my questions were high or low quality?
 

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