The Nineteenth Byte

12:00 AM

Does anyone know how to get Planetside 2 working on Steam under Wine 1.8? WineHQ is filled with good results but the launcher instacrashes for me

Probably not going to get any answers here but I figured I'd try

DJMcMayhem

Have you tried windows? :P

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Q: How to deal with a large API for a KoTH

My upcoming KoTH, Fellowship, has a really large API. Fundamentally, there are 5 classes the player needs to work with: Player is the class they need to implement (6 functions) ReadonlyCharacter is the class for each of the characters they control (25 functions) ReadonlyAbility is the class fo...

quartata

Hell no?

TuxCopter

12:14 AM

'night

DJMcMayhem

In a 2D grid, do diagonal tiles count as adjacent? Like, is [0, 0] adjacent to [1, 1]?

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem Depends

DJMcMayhem

On what?

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem the difference between cartesion adjacency and moore's adjacency

you simply have to define which one you want

cartesian*

DJMcMayhem

I have no clue what moore's adjacency is.

And google doesn't say anything

Nathan Merrill

12:20 AM

Moore's neighborhood, sorry :)

oh, and there's Von Neumann, interesting

ASCII-only

Von Neumann = cartesian

Nathan Merrill

right

DJMcMayhem

Ah, OK

ASCII-only

Mostly used in cellular automaton terminology I think

DJMcMayhem

So if somebody just said "Adjacent tiles" which would you assume?

Nathan Merrill

12:22 AM

Von Neumann

DJMcMayhem

Drat

If I said "Adjacent (or diagonal) tiles" does that seem clear? (for a challenge)

ASCII-only

You can just say the 8 adjacent tiles

Jonathan Allan

how about "adjacent or corner adjacent"

yeah or as ASCII-only says

DJMcMayhem

Ooh, how about "Neighboring tiles"?

Nathan Merrill

8 neighboring tiles

Jonathan Allan

12:24 AM

think people can interpret that as the 4 adjacent

yeah 8 neighbouring :D

DJMcMayhem

Cool. Thanks!

Destructible Watermelon

Do you guys wanna play Team deathmatch in the text based shooter?

DJMcMayhem

12:40 AM

Does my skeleton count as a spoopy Halloween avatar?

Destructible Watermelon

no

why is that starred...

1 hour ago, by Destructible Watermelon

@TuxCopter type say hi when you enter

this is like the least funny or interesting thing to put on star board

maybe somethign about the text based shooter

Nathan Merrill

asking about stars is like asking about downvotes: its usually pretty fruitless

Destructible Watermelon

Anybody want to come back to eigen.pri.ee/shooter for TDM?

Dennis

1:02 AM

@JonathanAllan I remembered! \o/

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A: Find the program that prints this integer sequence (Cops' thread)

Jelly, 5 bytes (safe) Code ??Œ?? Each ? denotes a missing character. Output n a(n) 0 1 1 3 2 9 3 21 4 45 5 93 6 189 7 381 8 765 9 1533 This is OEIS entry A068156. Solution Ḷ¡ŒṘL Try it online! How it works As noted on the OEIS page, this sequence obeys the recursi...

Qwerp-Derp

I have a crappy interpreter for Repetition...

final_code = list(raw_input("Enter code: "))

current_number = 1
output_number = 1

start_check = True
skip_check = True
new_number_check = True

output_string = []

while "[" in final_code:
    for c in range(len(final_code)):
        if final_code[c] == "[":
            global brace_start
            brace_start = c
            brace_check = 1
            for d in range(c + 1, len(final_code)):
                global brace_end
                if final_code[d] == "[":
                    brace_check += 1

ASCII-only

@Dennis Wow, that's really hacky, did you just pick five random characters until you made an OEIS sequence? :P

Dennis

Not random. I pretty much knew what I was searching for.

ASCII-only

Wait, so you intentionally wrote a hacky solution?

Jonathan Allan

@Dennis LOL nice

Dennis

1:12 AM

I didn't search for the sequence first, but I know from experience which combinations of atoms have a decent chance to result in an OEIS entry.

feersum

Pfft posting on an old C&R since if you put it on this I will crack it :P

Dennis

Yeah, that's a tough one.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

1:36 AM

Exponentiation is weird; 𝑒^(𝜏𝑖) = 𝑒⁰ but 𝜏𝑖 ≠ 0.

Did all of those characters render for you?

Question: Have I rickrolled myself in TNB if nobody else is listening?

Conor O'Brien

yes, but they are tiny

PhiNotPi

^

Conor O'Brien

new hobby/method of learning a golfing language: typing random words, giving them inputs, then trying to figure out how they work

ASCII-only

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Isn't that just derived from 𝑒^(𝜋𝑖) = -𝑒⁰?

@ConorO'Brien ~~Doesn't work~~ Not interesting for Charcoal :P

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only hm, wonder why :P

Anonymous

1:49 AM

@ASCII-only I'm fairly certain e**0 != -1

ASCII-only

Whoops

Anonymous

And yes, it is related to that. tau == 2*pi, and through the trigonometric definition of e**x (e**x = cos(x) + i*sin(x)), it comes out to 1.

ASCII-only

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ It's probably more accurate to say complex numbers are weird

Wheat Wizard

@Mego Isn't it e**(ix) = cos(x) + i * sin(x)?

Anonymous

Err, e**(i*x) = cos(x) + i*sin(x). It's not that weird - there's a beautiful link between complex exponentials and trigonometry.

Anonymous

1:54 AM

@WheatWizard Yeah, I missed a key :P

Wheat Wizard

My favorite way to derive it:

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A: Prove Euler's Formula using MacLaurin Series

All that is needed here is merely a "confirmation"-type proof: First: review the MacLaurin series for $e^{i\theta},\;\cos\theta\;\text{and}\;\sin\theta$ and write each expansion out. The Maclaurin series: $$\begin{align} \sin \theta & = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^n}{(2n+1)!}\theta^{2n+1}=\...

Anonymous

e**x = cos(-ix) + i*sin(-ix) :P

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

But yeah, then how would one define ln(1)? I thought the whole idea of principal logarithms only applied to complex inputs

Anonymous

2:10 AM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ 0. Real simple.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

But then what about the solution 𝑒^(𝜏𝑖) = 1?

Anonymous

Logarithms aren't well-defined for complex values

feersum

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ e^pi = 1?

Log can be considered as a multi-valued function, or you can pick 1 branch.

Anonymous

There are multiple branches, so you have to make a branch cut to have a singly-valued function, but then that causes weirdness

ASCII-only

Isn't that the same as inverse trigonometric functions though?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

2:13 AM

> I thought the whole idea of principal logarithms only applied to complex inputs

Nathan Merrill

does "not well defined" and "undefined" mean the same thing in mathematics?

feersum

log(1) = 2 i pi n, for all integer n, etc.

Nathan Merrill

nevermind

should have googled:

"A function that is not well-defined is not the same as a function that is undefined."

Anonymous

@ASCII-only It's exactly the same problem. Since e**ix and sin(x) are periodic, you have to restrict the domain to have an inverse function.

feersum

Or it can again be a multi-valued function.

Conor O'Brien

2:23 AM

CMC: generate random N-length (N is input) programs over your codepage (assume ascii if no dedicated programs) and output prog => output of prog if and only if the program did not cause an error

Anonymous

A multi-valued "function" isn't a function. The definition of a function is a mapping such that each element of its domain is mapped to exactly one element of its codomain.

feersum

Multivalued function

In mathematics, a multivalued function (short form: multifunction; other names: many-valued function, set-valued function, set-valued map, point-to-set map, multi-valued map, multimap, correspondence, carrier) is a left-total relation (that is, every input is associated with at least one output). In the strict sense, a well-defined function associates one, and only one, output to any particular input. The term "multivalued function" is, therefore, a misnomer because functions are single-valued. Multivalued functions often arise as inverses of functions that are not injective. Such functions do...

Nathan Merrill

"The term "multivalued function" is, therefore, a misnomer because functions are single-valued"

feersum

Working with multi-valued functions can make things much more elegant in some cases. For example, if you are solving something with a square root, you don't have to worry about needing to put a +/- somewhere, since square root is 2-valued.

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien Actually, 32 bytes: 8╙r;)♂┌∙(J@EΣ;ε@£Rεjk"{} => {}"f

Anonymous

2:30 AM

Takes advantage of the fact that there are no errors in Actually

Conor O'Brien

that doesn't seem to work. it gives (n - 1) copies of 0x00 and then a random character.

Anonymous

Oops, slight mistake

Anonymous

8╙r♂┌∙;lrJ@EΣ;ε@£Rεjk"{} => {}"f works, but takes too long for TIO for n > 1

Conor O'Brien

on TIO that seems to give the entire codepage for n = 1

Anonymous

That is correct

Conor O'Brien

2:33 AM

at once

Anonymous

Wait what

Anonymous

Why is it doing that

Conor O'Brien

idk

Anonymous

8╙r♂┌∙#;lrJ@EΣ;ε@£Rεjk"{} => {}"f for 33, then

Anonymous

Oh wait no it's that bug I fixed yesterday

Anonymous

2:34 AM

@Dennis Pull Actually, please?

Conor O'Brien

@Mego one last question--if actually has no errors, why is this so long? :P

Dennis

Done.

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien Because random.choice doesn't work for long lists in CPython

Anonymous

And generating the entire code page takes some bytes

Conor O'Brien

ah.

Anonymous

2:35 AM

@Dennis Thanks

Conor O'Brien

so it doesn't like lists of length around 256?

Anonymous

256 works fine. 256**4 is a little less fine :P

Conor O'Brien

o_O

Anonymous

It's implemented in C, so it has to deal with native int limits

Anonymous

There are 256**n programs of length n, so the list grows real fast

Conor O'Brien

2:37 AM

wouldn't it be easier just to, idk, generate a random char N times? like range(n).map(gen codepage, get rand from that)?

feersum

Surely there are some non-halting programs of length less than 4?

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien Maybe...

feersum

Er, never mind.

Conor O'Brien

I think I have random N characters

idk what eval is in actually

Destructible Watermelon

yo!

Anonymous

2:45 AM

There's not an Actually eval, just a Python eval. Sort of. You have to do some funky tricks to eval on an empty stack.

ASCII-only

@Mego D: No eval?

Anonymous

31 bytes with your suggestion: R`X8╙r♂┌J`MΣ;ε@£Rεjk"{} => {}"f

Anonymous

@ASCII-only No, I'm going to add it soon, but other priorities

ASCII-only

@Mego D: But in what kind of interpreter is it not trivial to add

Conor O'Brien

13 chars

Anonymous

2:49 AM

Oops, 33 bytes because I wan't joining with newlines: R`X8╙r♂┌J`MΣ;ε@£R9ucjk"{} => {}"f

Conor O'Brien

I think we just made the same golf :P

(codepage generation wise)

Anonymous

@ASCII-only It has nothing to do with the triviality and everything to do with the fact that I'm waiting on a job offer and it's incredibly stressful and also other real life stuff has been keeping me busy

Nathan Merrill

@Mego what's happening now?

Conor O'Brien

I thought you were at google?

Nathan Merrill

(with the offer?)

ASCII-only

2:51 AM

@Mego I know, but what I mean is that Seriously has existed for almost a year now, and it has no eval D: I would have thought eval would be a pretty important feature

Conor O'Brien

gah I don't mean to pry

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I should get the job offer on Monday. Until then, loads of anxiety.

Anonymous

@ASCII-only If it's so important, why don't you implement it and send me a pull request?

Nathan Merrill

@Mego I hope good anxiety?

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien Not yet. Once I get the offer and sign it, I'll be a newgler.

Nathan Merrill

2:52 AM

I'm pretty sure its Noogler :)

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Just the usual "what if something goes wrong" stuff that I deal with all the time

ASCII-only

@Mego Because I haven't seen Seriously's source before, I guess I can try though

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I'm pretty sure it's a silly term that's too close to a racial slur for me to like

Conor O'Brien

sorry if this sounds bad but... why be anxious ? I mean, you're getting the job, right?

DJMcMayhem

@Mego I've got my flippers crossed for you

Conor O'Brien

2:53 AM

or is it should

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien I have anxiety issues. They don't listen to logic.

Nathan Merrill

@Mego I'm pretty sure they actually use it everywhere, and I think its crazy :)

I got invited to a Noogler group, the acceptance email is "You're a noogler!"

DJMcMayhem

> they actually use it everywhere

Conor O'Brien

@Mego Oh man I feel ya. I have many friends with anxiety issues. Despite this I still have no idea what to say but "good luck" :/

DJMcMayhem

That word has been ruined for me

Conor O'Brien

2:54 AM

*IRL friends

@DJMcMayhem seriously?

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem You have no idea :( Even my wife makes puns

DJMcMayhem

@Mego That is seriously hilarious

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem I'm divorcing you

DJMcMayhem

@Mego strangely relevant:

Anonymous

On another topic - holy goats, what the hell happened in the Japanese Language room? 8 flags in the last few hours.

Conor O'Brien

2:57 AM

yeah we think flag spam

Nathan Merrill

oh, is there some 10K room for flag discussion?

that'd totally be useful

I mean, nearly all discussion would happen after the fact, due to the nature of flags

but still

DJMcMayhem

Like restricted to 10k? I'm not sure that's possible

Anonymous

Prepare for an influx of people

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem you could manually check it, or simply add anybody that ask for it

or just make it public

DJMcMayhem

On a semi-related note, why the heck is there "Network 10k, SO 10k, and mother meta 10k" all separate? (As far as chat is concerned)

Conor O'Brien

3:01 AM

maybe each person is invited with a flag, and then we all put on these^

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem halp what is the vim motion for n lines

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem they are separate chat systems, not just separate 10K levels

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Because chat is the redheaded stepchild of SE, and hasn't been updated to all use the same server/privileges when the SO/SE merge happened

DJMcMayhem

@ASCII-only _

For operators I assume?

Like d3_ y4_ etc?

I usually prefer (n-1)j though

@NathanMerrill Yeah, that's my point. I think that's dumb

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem Yeah

Anonymous

3:19 AM

@Downgoat The design userscript is causing me to join rooms when I just look at their info/transcript

Helka Homba

Guys, you can get a free Minecraft Server (for at least a month?) from BisectHosting right now - twitter.com/BisectHosting/status/789858862463496192

Nathan Merrill

@HelkaHomba do I need Minecraft?

Helka Homba

@NathanMerrill To play it, yes. I guess you could get one without the game, but..

Nathan Merrill

I could emulate a real server in minecraft?

so its basically free hosting

Helka Homba

@NathanMerrill Note that I'm not sure how long the "free" server lasts. But it's at least a month (a $16 cost). Though it wasn't a big deal for me to get since Bisect already has my billing info and everything and I trust them.

Ok, it is just a month - twitter.com/BisectHosting/status/789843762419757056 :/

Nathan Merrill

3:32 AM

oh! then I could use my minecraft server to host a webpage that sells minecraft servers for $20 dollars a month

bah, I hate cross-language flags

the 4m ago one might be valid, but I have no idea

DJMcMayhem

Someone is way too flag happy

Nathan Merrill

I agree. The other one was from 2 days ago!

Helka Homba

Anyway here's the IP of my new Minecraft server: helkahomba.mcserver.ws I'm not sure I'll do anything with it but anyone is wlecome to join and play around for now

(@quartata @PhiNotPi @El'endiaStarman @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @DJMcMayhem etc. ^)

DJMcMayhem

3:51 AM

@HelkaHomba Kewl. I might play a little bit later

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

W00T

@HelkaHomba Can you whitelist it?

Are you using Spigot?

If so, what plugins?

Mods?

Dennis

I can't make sense of the formula for the permanent of the sum of two matrices. The way I understand it, every matrix A would have permanent 0 since all submatrices of the zero matrix have permanent 0 and `perm(A) = perm(A+0)**.

DJMcMayhem

>>> l = [[0]*4]*4
>>> l[1][1] = 1
>>> l
[[0, 1, 0, 0], [0, 1, 0, 0], [0, 1, 0, 0], [0, 1, 0, 0]]
>>>

What the heck python? I don't understand

Dennis

[[0]*4]*4 creates four references to the same list.

DJMcMayhem

And yet [0]*4 doesn't?

Dennis

3:59 AM

l = [[0]*4 for _ in range(4)] should work as expected.

That creates a list of four integers, which do not have references.

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, Python doesn't create references to primitives

Maltysen

@ASCII-only well, technically, numbers < 256 are the same number, its just that numbers are immutable

ASCII-only

*References to immutable objects I think? (i.e. numbers/strings/tuples)

Maltysen

well its not really about the references

its just that since its immutable, there isn't any inplace operation you can do to it, that would then propagate to the other elements

Helka Homba

@DmitryKudriavtsev It's just plain vanilla for now, no whitelist. It will probably only last a month so I'm not doing anything fancy with it. But in the meantime, you're welcome to get on and goof off

Maltysen

4:07 AM

as I said before, numbers<256 surprisingly are the same object

DJMcMayhem

Is there anything less ugly than this?

print('\n'.join(''.join(col for col in row) for row in grid))

Maltysen

@DJMcMayhem why the col for col in row?

DJMcMayhem

because it's a list of characters

Oh duh

Maltysen

but why not just ''.join(row)

DJMcMayhem

print('\n'.join(''.join(row) for row in grid))

Maltysen

4:09 AM

now you can map ''.join

'\n'.join(map(''.join, grid))

DJMcMayhem

That's very nice. Thanks!

This is why TNB is better than CR

Maltysen

the good thing about python is that until you start getting into the exec while loop or ~- level of tricks, the golfiest is often the most elegant

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Destructible Watermelon

Yo

DJMcMayhem

Ello

Destructible Watermelon

Anyone else played "I am the captain"?

xnor

4:18 AM

@Dennis the empty matrix of zeroes has permanent 1

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Q: Print the Greek alphabet in words

This is different from Print the Greek alphabet! because it is in words. Your task is to print this exact text: (the Greek alphabet in words) alpha beta gamma delta epsilon zeta eta theta iota kappa lambda mu nu xi omicron pi rho sigma tau upsilon phi chi psi omega Capitalization does not mat...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

xnor

@Dennis so, in the formula, one of the addends is Per(A) * Per(E) where E is the empty matrix

giving you Per(A+0) == Per(A)

Dennis

Ah, right. Forgot about the empty matrix... Thanks!

DJMcMayhem

@NewMainPosts Yay, another compression challenge!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

*/s

@HelkaHomba cool!

DLosc

4:31 AM

@Dennis Please pull Pip, when you get a chance.

Dennis

4:46 AM

@DLosc Done.

DLosc

Thanks!

Helka Homba

@DJMcMayhem @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Do play. I need help building a house,

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Q: Fill in the Minesweeper clues

Minesweeper is a popular puzzle game where you must discover which tiles are "mines" without clicking on those tiles. Each tile is either a mine (represented by *) or a clue, i.e. a number from 0 to 8 representing how many of the 8 neighboring tiles are mines. Your task today is to take a board c...

code-golf string grid minesweeper

DJMcMayhem

5:01 AM

@HelkaHomba Sounds good. BRT

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

If it wasn't 10pm then sure

:(

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5:16 AM

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Q: Find the super palindromes!

Consider the number 99999999. That number is obviously a palindrome. The largest prime factor of 99999999 is 137. If you divide 99999999 by 137, you get 729927. This number is also a palindrome. The largest prime factor of 729927 is 101. 729927/101=7227 which again is a palindrome. ...

code-golf number palindrome

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

prime factorization is a bitch

@HelkaHomba What version of MC?

Destructible Watermelon

5:33 AM

civilian bathing machine

I'm building a man launcher

not really working ._.

Anonymous

I need to find more creative ways to tell Oliver to use the Sandbox... Clearly the direct way doesn't work.

Dennis

6:05 AM

@Mego Using the sandbox isn't mandatory. If you have told him many times already, you should probably stop.

Anonymous

I'm not going to stop suggesting the use of the Sandbox on challenges that have clear issues that would have been resolved by use of the Sandbox.

Dennis

And what do you hope to accomplish with that? He's obviously aware of its existence, so suggesting it once more won't change anything.

Anonymous

Because I will continue to suggest the use of the Sandbox on challenges that have clear issues that would have been resolved by the use of the Sandbox regardless of the poster.

Anonymous

Suggesting that users use the Sandbox has worked in the past. Even when it required suggestions multiple times, it worked. So, I'm going to keep doing it.

Dennis

sighs Suit yourself. Just don't get too creative.

Anonymous

6:15 AM

I'm a bit afraid to ask what you have in mind for too creative.

xnor

order beach sand to be delivered to their address

Anonymous

I'm not going to be rude/offensive/abusive or anything like that. Just different ways of saying "If you had used the Sandbox, <X problem> could have been avoided".

Anonymous

@xnor Oh, so I should cancel the glitter bomb delivery? :P

Dennis

Well, in my experience, if one tells somebody the same thing over and over again, one eventually loses one's patience.

Anonymous

I have the patience of a penguin

Anonymous

6:21 AM

(I don't actually know how patient penguins are - I'd think they are pretty patient though, what with their spouses being gone fishing for months at a time)

Dennis

Well, I've never been a penguin, so that might help.

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6:31 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What is the area of this polygon? Given the coordinates (x, y) of the vertices of a polygon, determine its area. Test cases 1 2 -> 0 2 3 3 4 3 5 -> 1 2 6 4 3 9 3 -> 32 1 5 1 9 Remember, this is code-golf, so the code with the smallest number of bytes wins.

Kριτικσι Λίθος

@quartata Admit it, deep deep down inside, we all love the fun, drama, adventure, and ninja-ness of stealth-pinging.

Dennis

citation-needed

Kριτικσι Λίθος

mınxomaτ

I prefer stealth ping pong. You dress up as ninjas and play regular table tennis.

Kριτικσι Λίθος

Naah, that requires you to get up and move about. I prefer doing stuff that require minimal movement, like stealth pinging

Sherlock9

6:50 AM

@Mego Sorry for the extra trouble, but I rewrote issue #73 to include some other list functions that don't work with lists of complex numbers (I included sum on the list, despite the first fix, for completeness)

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Thanks for the info. I'll look at it when I can.

mınxomaτ

7:04 AM

Neat, just got my 4G volume raised to 50GB for free. For the next year, anyway.

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ Cool

mınxomaτ

Makes me confident that we'll finally have unlimited in a few years.

Anonymous

Wait, is this cellular or cloud data?

mınxomaτ

Cellular, monthly.

betseg

:)

I have 4GB 4G monthly :(

Anonymous

7:09 AM

Oh, wow. 50GB on cellular would be amazing.

mınxomaτ

Previously had 5GB. A few years ago, when HSDPA USB modems became a thing, it was unlimited. Then more people got it and we were back to 1GB/m. So this is a huge improvement.

@Mego Also, previously, after you had used your data, you would get just 64kbps (i.e. effectively offline). Now the minimum for my provider is 1Mbps.

Anonymous

Wow. I'd ask which provider, but you are on a different continent so I don't think I could get that same deal :P

mınxomaτ

Austria has unlimited 4G (drei.at/portal/de/privat/tarife/internet-tarife/…). Instead of volume, you pay for the maximum speed.

IMO that's a better idea.

Anonymous

Now that's smart. Make it like ISPs.

betseg

Like a normal home ISP. I think this is how it should work.

Damn. Ninja'd.

Anonymous

7:15 AM

Most ISPs in the US (aside from the really bad ones) don't have data caps - you just pay for the speed you want

Anonymous

I never even thought about that being an option for cellular data

Anonymous

I think our cellular networks in the US just couldn't handle the volume, though

mınxomaτ

I had a 16k with my old ISP. They capped at 100GB/m. Now I have a 250k fibre for the same price.

betseg

In Turkey there is something called Dair Usage Quota, if you spend more than 50/75/100 GB (depends on ISP and the money you paid) the speed drops to 1/8 of the original speed.

mınxomaτ

Well yeah, that's a data cap basically.

betseg

7:18 AM

"It prevents one account used by a whole apartment."

@mınxomaτ but they sell it as unlimited

mınxomaτ

Also, my new contract is one of the first with a guaranteed minimum speed. I pay for 200k, get 250k and the minimum they have to deliver is 180k - or I get my money back for that month.

betseg

They say unlimited 32 MBps. Ok. But the small letters in the contract say "if you pass 50 GB in a month you will have 4 MBps."

Anonymous

Yeah here in the US, if you get a lower speed than you're promised, you 1) are normal, 2) have to notice it, and 3) have to complain a lot to get anything done.

mınxomaτ

I stand corrected. Another mobile phone provider is offering a premium subscription right now. Basically a "do what you want" with all phone charges (international) and truly unlimited 300k LTE included. Only downside: It's 200 € / m.

betseg

Not too much if you do things that need international unlimited LTE.

@Mego same here, the downside is, even that 4 MBps gets decreased and you have to complain

Sherlock9

7:44 AM

Hey @Mego, what's Factorio?

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 A really fun game. Have you ever played Minecraft with the BuildCraft mod?

Sherlock9

No, I haven't, though I vaguely remember hearing about the BuildCraft mod

Anonymous

Or IndustrialCraft or any one of those similar mods

Sherlock9

Is it the one with the periodic table and all the metals to work with?

Anonymous

Well basically it starts out like Minecraft - you gather materials so you can build still. But instead of manually building stuff the entire game, you're working towards automating everything. The end goal is to go to space, which means doing a lot of research, which means producing a lot of research materials.

Sherlock9

7:49 AM

That sounds extraordinarily cool. As soon as (it's on sale/I have $10 to spare), I'll go get it

Anonymous

It's incredibly fun. It also supports multiplayer.

Anonymous

I did the first couple of story missions, then went into free play mode with enemies turned off so I can safely figure out how all of the buildings work. Once I've played through free play, I'll go and actually play the game with enemies.

Sherlock9

$10 is $10 and I'm a college student :D

Winter sale is coming up through, and I'll definitely recommend it to my friends for their consideration

Anonymous

Yeah I understand the broke college kid life

Anonymous

Having a fleet of a few hundred robots constantly flying around to deliver materials all over the place is pretty cool

Sherlock9

8:11 AM

@Mego It's a little bit worse actually. $10 is Rp. 136,000 and since you can buy a full meal for as little as Rp. 10,000, saving nearly a full week's worth of meal money isn't very appealing.

A big reason why torrents are popular here

Anonymous

Wow, that's a horrible exchange rate

Sherlock9

Oh yeah. The inflation is pretty nutty here

Anonymous

It's also showing as $20 for me... I'm not sure where you're seeing $10

Sherlock9

See above discussion on what is affordable here

Anonymous

There's a free demo of Factorio on its website if you want to try it out

wizzwizz4

8:13 AM

Britain's getting bad exchange rates now too, thanks to Brexit. If you want something cheap, Britain is starting to become more favourable (although not yet as much so as "Made in China").

Sherlock9

Also, the games bought in SEA are region-locked to SEA so that Steam can lower the prices to an affordable range for us, but without us turning around and selling the games to other regions

Anonymous

Tell you what - the next time I have a spare $20, I'll gift it to you

Sherlock9

Edit: $10 is down to a little over Rp.130,000

@Mego See, "region-locked to Southeast Asia" :D At least on Steam it is

Thanks for the offer, though

wizzwizz4

@Sherlock9 Now you only have to save 6.5 days of meal money!

Anonymous

If I gift it to you through Steam, it should still work

Sherlock9

8:16 AM

We shall see. In the meantime, I'll try the demo first, and see if it's on sale in December

Besides, don't start throwing away your Google money on gifts for strangers :D

Relevant article: kotaku.com/…

Anonymous

I understand why they do that, but it's really inconvenient

wizzwizz4

Have you tried Steam.users[Steam.client.userid].gifts[0].locale = '\0'?

@Maltysen Another good thing about Python is that, def a(x,y)return is only 17 characters longer than lambda x,y

Destructible Watermelon

8:45 AM

wait a minute

wizzwizz4

We're waiting...

Destructible Watermelon

I just realised a challenge that turtlèd might be good at

wizzwizz4

...

Destructible Watermelon

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Q: Fill in the Minesweeper clues

Minesweeper is a popular puzzle game where you must discover which tiles are "mines" without clicking on those tiles. Each tile is either a mine (represented by *) or a clue, i.e. a number from 0 to 8 representing how many of the 8 neighboring tiles are mines. Your task today is to take a board c...

code-golf string grid minesweeper

wizzwizz4

Yes, I think you're right! :-)

Destructible Watermelon

8:54 AM

Just need to figure out best input method

Destructible Watermelon

9:08 AM

I think I will try later

ASCII-only

@DestructibleWatermelon Damnit, Charcoal has no canvas input method yet ;_;

Destructible Watermelon

neither does mine :p

yeah, probs add that

TuxCopter

9:25 AM

hallo

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

test

looks like i got temp banned for posting @HelkaHomba's server ip

TuxCopter

lolwut

ASCII-only

@Zgarb Why not put the Jellyfish tutorial in the wiki?

mınxomaτ

Paypal 2FA fail: henryhoggard.co.uk/blog/Paypal-2FA-Bypass

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Dmitry Kudriavtsev

installing lfs xD

wizzwizz4

9:41 AM

@DmitryKudriavtsev Kick-muted or outright banned?

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

temp muted for 30 mins

wizzwizz4

I think somebody flagged it as spam, others thought it was spam and agreed with the flag, then Feeds (chat user -2) deleted the message and auto-banned you. :-(

At least it's over now.

@DmitryKudriavtsev It was this message that got you banned, wasn't it?

> helkahomba.mcserver.ws helkahomba.mcserver.ws helkahomba.mcserver.ws helkahomba.mcserver.ws

TuxCopter

Huh, the PPCG server have an hostname?

Kριτικσι Λίθος

10:04 AM

hallo

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ AR

TuxCopter

\o/

I finished writing the FOLLOW interpreter

wizzwizz4

10:21 AM

Yay! :-)

Now the language can be used in competitive code-golf problems! :-)

Where's the GitHub repo? I want to give it a star (provided it conforms to the specifications).

TuxCopter

I am still fixing some multithreading bugs

github.com/tuxcrafting/follow

^ Repo

wizzwizz4

Noop NOOOP! (Play on Noot NOOOT!)

Because of the No-op command...

TuxCopter

I fixed the GOTO command (I think)

Nope, it bork the IO and eat my memory

Wait I know why it bork

Nop

Zgarb

10:44 AM

@ASCII-only I forgot there was a wiki, never used that before...

TuxCopter

Anyway I pushed the interpreter: github.com/tuxcrafting/follow

mınxomaτ

11:14 AM

KVM is awesome. That's all.

TuxCopter

Anyone want to play? eigen.pri.ee/shooter

New Sandboxed Posts

11:47 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Antsy permutations code-golf permutations Introduction Suppose you have a ruler with numbers from 0 to r-1. You place an ant between any two of the numbers, and it starts to crawl erratically on the ruler. The ruler is so thin that the ant cannot walk from one position to another without wal...

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