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Q: minumin of the value $\sum_{1\le k,i,j\le n}\frac{\sigma{(A_{k}\bigcap A_{i}\bigcap A_{j})}}{\sigma{(A_{k})}\cdot\sigma{(A_{i})}\cdot\sigma{(A_{j})}}$

communnites Let $m,n$ are give postive integer,and postive real numvers$x_{1}<x_{2}<\cdots<x_{m}$and give it , Define $A=\{x_{1},x_{2},\cdots,x_{m}\}$. find the following minumum of the value $$\sum_{k=1}^{n}\sum_{i=1}^{n}\sum_{j=1}^{n}\dfrac{\sigma{(A_{k}\bigcap A_{i}\bigcap A_{j})}}{\sigma{(A_{k}...

 
 
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4:08 AM
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@user170039 I do not see why you are using $z$ in the second formula. (It does not appear on the LHS.) I guess you wanted to write $$(x,y)\in G_f \Leftrightarrow (x\in X \land y=f(x)).$$
 
user131753
4:22 AM
Yes. In the second formula I have made a mistake.
 
Well, after the correction, I'd say that this is a correct formula.
 
user131753
Can you explain precisely the reason for which the first formula is incorrect?
 
If you write $(x\in X \land (\exists z) y=f(z)$, then you basically get $X\times \operatorname{Im} f$.
 
user131753
Exactly. That's what my friend was claiming.
 
Here I denote $\operatorname{Im} f = \{y\in Y; (\exists x\in X) f(x)=y\} = \{f(x); x\in X\}$, i.e., it is the image of $f$.
For example, if $X=Y$ and $f=id_X$ is the identity function, then $G_f=\{(x,x); x\in X\}$.
 
user131753
4:27 AM
He said that Munkres's definition of $G_f$ should be as follows, $$G_f:=\{(x,y): x\in X\land \color{red}{y=f(x)}\}$$
 
But from the condition with $(\exists z\in X) y=f(x)$ you would get $X\times Y$.
I mean $$x\in X \land (\exists z) y=f(z) \Leftrightarrow (x,y)\in X\times Y$$ for the special case $f=id_X$.
@user170039 That seems correct. If needed, I can check my copy of Munkres to see what exactly is written there.
Do you mean this definition in Exercise 8*? $$G_f=\{x\times f(x) \mid x\in X\}.$$
 
user131753
Yes.
 
$x\times f(x)$ is a different notation for ordered pair $(x,f(x)$.
 
user131753
Yes. That we understand.
 
user131753
My friend's argument only is that the definition as written doesn't make any sense because roughly speaking for definition of a set we need to take an arbitrary element and then say explicitly what is the formula that this element satisfies. Munkres hasn't done that.
 
4:33 AM
"Whenever a situation occurs where confusion is possible, we shall adopt a different notation for the ordered pair $(a,b)$, denoting it by the symbol $$a\times b$$ instead." (page 13 in 2nd Ed)
@user170039 Well, he has used set-builder notation.
@user170039 If you want to be very precise, the formula would be: $$(a,b)\in G_f \Leftrightarrow (\exists x\in X) (a,b)=(x,f(x)).$$
In general, if $g$ is some function and somebody defines a set $S=\{g(x); x\in X\}$, then you have $$s\in S \Leftrightarrow (\exists x\in X) s=g(x).$$
In this specific case the function would be $g\colon x\mapsto (x,f(x))$.
 
user131753
Exactly that's what it should be. Actually my friend argued that since Munkres stated the property of only the first component ($x\in X$) there is no reason to accept that the pair $(x_1,f(x_2))\not\in G_f$ even though $f(x_1)\ne f(x_2)$. Thanks anyway.
 
@user170039 That's obviously false. The pair $(x_1,f(x_2)$ is not of the form $(x,f(x))$.
As I explained, $G=\{(x,f(x)); x\in X\}$ is basically a shortcut for a longer but much more cumbersome formula.
 

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