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5:01 AM
This is probably a naive and vague question. And perhaps I should have search first whether something like this was asked on the main. And perhaps this has intersection with the topic of logic chatroom, too.

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Often when reading that something is not provable in ZF (as opposed to ZFC), I read something like this: "This means you cannot give an explicit construction of a non-measurable set." "You cannot write down an explicit well-ordering of reals.
Quotes from this site:
"It is impossible to give an explicit example of a non-Borel-measurable subset of $\mathbb{R}$." math.stackexchange.com/questions/226559/…
"In other words, it is impossible to write down a well-ordering of $\mathbb{R}$ in ZF." math.stackexchange.com/questions/6501/…
Would it be possible, that there is some explicit construction/explicit formula for some object (such as well-ordering or non-measurable set or something else choice related) but still the proof needs AC?
However, I do not know a good formalization of "explicit definition/construction/formula".
So basically I am asking: Does it make sense to make a distinction between "provable without AC" and "definable without AC"? Can something along these lines be reasonably formalized?
 

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