The Base Camp - 2015-03-04

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7:54 AM

Morning all

1 hour later…

9:03 AM

@Wills you will likely enjoy this:

independent.co.uk/news/…

9:22 AM

Sunny weather and I'm stuck inside... I need a lotto win...!

@Aravona Don't we all!

I don't play though, I don't believe in luck....

9:46 AM

@Liam we play on occasion, and got some tickets as a wedding gift from Dynas parents (just a silly addition) never win. I buy a scratch card when I top up my fuel... Just for fun

Apparently scratch card addiction in the UK is when you spend £70 or more a day on scratch cards

(my mate has the lotto in her shop and that's their definition)

10:02 AM

@Aravona That seems high!

I was £80 up after the first year of the lottery. Haven't played it since

@RoryAlsop nice!

@Liam yeah that's what we thought but according to the lotto that's acceptable

@RoryAlsop Quit while your ahead! man after my own heart!

@Liam definitely. The maths just makes no sense to play

10:41 AM

@RoryAlsop The first person who's agreed with me on this! I left my works lotery syndicate on the same grounds, they all laughed at me and said I'd be sorry when they won the jackpot, 2 years later I'm laughing more!

Did you know your 3 times more likely to get run over crossing the road than you are to win the lottery....

room topic changed to The Base Camp: Aravona is probably already here [king-of-hot-topics] [lottery]

@Liam yup. I think I have broken even on my scratchcards. But I get maybe one a month for a laugh. We don't actually play the lotto unless it's stupidly big money... Not one of these several times a week person

Plus usually several people win so you only get a % amount and now to recieve your winnings over a certain amount you have to see a shrink first

10:58 AM

@Liam You are almost as likely to have been married to Katie Price as you are to win the jackpot, 20 is the least drawn number and 10,000 people are picking 1,2,3,4,5,6 every single week

theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/17/…

For every £1 you spend on national lottery games, you will win just over 55p on average.

so a net loss of 45p

@RoryAlsop I'm currently goading work colleges with these facts

@Liam excellent :-)

@RoryAlsop LOL one guy decalred "you have to suck the fun out of everything don't you" placed his headphone on and is now ignoring me

:D

hilarious

@Liam job done :-)

@Liam lol!! Brilliant

I love how they won't give you money without seeing a shrink first now incase you do harm to yourself with the money...

Crazy

11:16 AM

@Aravona I upset one of my friends by pointing out that if he won a million, he likely couldn't give up his job and buy a yacht to go cruising round the Caribbean for the rest of his life... He could probably manage 4-5 years until being skint again

@RoryAlsop oh yeah you need a minimum of like 15 mil to live like a millionaire

@Aravona sad but true

what exactly is this place

@Chessbrain Which place? Where are you?

:-)

This chat room? It's for the Outdoors Stack Exchange :-)

Outdoors?

I don't get it...

What does Outdoors mean? Like travelling Q&A? or ?

11:31 AM

@Chessbrain it's a chatroom for the outdoors stack exchange, we are The Great Outdoors, we're all about camping, hiking, skiing... Name an outdoors activity and we probably cover it

Aaaaah

now I get it

@Chessbrain :) welcome to our base camp lol

XD

How's it going?

@Chessbrain If you want a travel Q&A you want:

11:47 AM

Nah I don't really need one, I travel between countries most of my life

I just wanted to see what this chat is about, since I couldn't figure it out from the name

Base Camp can also mean something military-like you know etc...

@Chessbrain We had a vote on what to call it and this was the winner, though I kind of just picked one too

Your right though, it's actually quite hard to work out from the screen layout

could do with a link to TGO

Here's the actual site

:)

This question

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Q: If lost in the wilderness, what is the first thing I should do?

If I get lost in the wilderness, what is the very first thing I should do?

survival emergencies lost

I do have to admit, I would be interested in listening to what you guys talk about

4

reminds me of this:

Maslow's hierarchy of needs

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a theory in psychology proposed by Abraham Maslow in his 1943 paper "A Theory of Human Motivation" in Psychological Review. Maslow subsequently extended the idea to include his observations of humans' innate curiosity. His theories parallel many other theories of human developmental psychology, some of which focus on describing the stages of growth in humans. Maslow used the terms "physiological", "safety", "belongingness" and "love", "esteem", "self-actualization" and "self-transcendence" to describe the pattern that human motivations generally move through. Maslow...

11:53 AM

If that question is serious, it's answer is simple sa hell...

@Chessbrain It's a tad broad....

But, seems to of actracted quite a few answers so..

yea I just checked...

@Liam yeah there were plenty of replies.

I love questions like that with such a good reaponse.

@Chessbrain so how did you accidentally bounce in here from Chess.SE

Yeah, I did wonder that actually

Your obvs more than welcome... :)

12:02 PM

No real reason actually

I just learned that apparently we had a chat room like this one

but when I looked for it, it was dead as dead can be

So I started looking for others and I ended up here

@Chessbrain ours was until about a year ago

ish

a year ago is a lot of time :P

@Chessbrain There are only a few that are really active. And I tend to hang out really only in 4

The DMZ first, Teacher's Lounge 2nd (as a mod, it's required), here 3rd and the Practice Room 4th

but I think I am actually in about 25 so that I get the pings as needed

@Liam yeah it's been nice and busy since we dropped by Eh? ;)

Teacher's Lounge? As in actual teachers asking for advice on how to teach?

12:13 PM

@Chessbrain is that hard to believe when we have Stack Overflow? Actual programmers asking for advice on programming? :)

No, I am asking if that's its purpose

I also know about stackoverflow, I am there... I am a programmer lel

@Chessbrain I'd assume it was. Unless it's a room to talk about Teachers Whiskey lol

lol

I do have to say though, if you go in the wilderness and get lost... First thing I "would" assume you are physically fit.

I mean, if you're gonna get lost, and you're not fit enough... I don't see how that will end well lol

@Chessbrain no, it's the chat room for the mods of Stack Exchange

@Chessbrain well I go hiking a lot, I can walk for several hours. But I've a few medical conditions which will hinder me if I were lost. Assumptions aren't a good thing :)

12:23 PM

When I say not fit... I generally mean you have health problems that prevent you from actually surviving on your own

@Chessbrain You should go look at Productivity SE for some interesting questions people have...

Humans are very odd

Productivity? I think i missed that on the list

just how odd are they XD ?

@Chessbrain That would not be a useful 'first thing' though - many people hike when they shouldn't, or with conditions that require extra effort/supplies/preparation etc

@Chessbrain many of them ask things like "I haven't studied all year. My exam is next week. Pls halp"

lol wut ?! XD

to which the response is - "well, you're kinda screwed then"

although we obviously don't say that

12:25 PM

My answer would be "you're fked mate:

lol

I know

we just close as off topic :-)

still it's the "right" answer

as it's not productivity at that point

think we kept one canonical answer describing how to plan your studying in future :-)

There's an app called Trello for android ( do not know if there's one for iOS) that organizes your schedule, be it for work or studying etc..

it's really good

It's more like a "To Do" list and it does it very well

@Chessbrain well I'm not unfit but surviving on my own with a hip flexor muscle issue and acid reflux would be less than unpleasant. Doable, but unpleasant.

12:27 PM

it's also good for group projects etc... Might help people who work a lot

I do have to admit, I wouldn't like to be in your position Aravona, but I do have to say... You have major balls to go hiking like that, respect mate

@Chessbrain well I usually always hike with my husband, and I've learnt a lot from TGO about better foods to take with me hiking. Last time my hip caved on Snowdon I was lucky my husband took my backpack and everything :)

I call the lunch, back in a bit all

@Chessbrain And I take my 3 kids up reasonable mountains (well, the biggest ones we have in Scotland - not very big really)

If it's fun, it's worth doing. Sure, you expect it to go well, but you plan for the worst

I wish one day I can actually get stranded on an island for 2 weeks

max a month

not even joking... ever since I was 10 that was one of my dreams lol

Did I kill the chat? damn...

@Chessbrain well - that's easy now. You can pay a small amount, and have a rescue crew on standby just in case. A few islands round the world will let you do it.

@Chessbrain nope but this is lunchtime in the UK

You could even do that on a game show

lol... That wouldn't be getting stranded though

Nah, you would still feel safe

when I say for a month, I mean I can actually die there for that month, surviving alone... and AFTER a month Iget rescued

Having that as a game is stupid... If you're toying around pretending to be survivalists, is just pure idiocy

12:35 PM

@Chessbrain well, just do that then :-)

If I do it myself, then I wouldn't be stranded lel

Personally, aside from one minor issue, I'd love that.

And I don't have the money XD

The issue is that an island wouldn't work - I can't eat fish

so while I love sailing, swimming etc, I'd be screwed

Fish aren't the only things on an island

fruit, grass, animals

12:36 PM

@Chessbrain aye but for a small island they are typically the easiest to replenish

where there is land, there's life

Well yea, but for a month, you could survive without eating fish... Your biggest problem is water

what happens if there's no clean water that's the real issue

you'll have to create a filter within the first 3-4 days

In fact, 3 days is your max

@Chessbrain yeah, not something you'd need to worry about on a Scottish island

lol

btw, any of you do martial arts?

@Chessbrain yup - judo, Shotokan and Shukokai karate and Kuk Sool Won

Wait... How the hell do you do all of those? wtf

12:46 PM

@Chessbrain age, mostly

I have trained Judo, Kickbox and Tae Kwon Do... But I sure as hell enver trained them all at once

that is not even good

my kids only do one martial art each (well, the eldest tinkers with another)

It's not a good idea to just study mutiple martial arts at the same time you know...

@Chessbrain I 100% disagree with that statement

how so ?

12:47 PM

And folks like Bruce Lee agree

Before actually going into another martial art, you should master 1 then train in another one at the same time if you wish

however training mutiple ones at the same time is not a good idea

@Chessbrain that's 1 opinion. Not the one I subscribe to at all

however you must have an idea on your own opinion

Why would training mutiple martial arts at the same time be correct?

I can prove some of my points using actual science... However I am interested in listening to your reasons first

@Chessbrain yes - it's an excellent idea to balance out martial arts and sports, because you get the benefits across each one at the same time, as well as understanding the downsides

@Chessbrain I can prove all of my points quite easily

Wait...

12:49 PM

It is very easy to learn and master more than one at the same time - and many people do this

Are you doing martial arts as a sport... Or as a fighter?

@Chessbrain purely for fitness and discipline

Then dude... You can learn more than 10 at the same time lol

@Chessbrain absolutely

However if you're learning them for their original purpose,then no :)

Martial Arts original purpose was a fight to the death

12:51 PM

@Chessbrain The original purpose is different for many martial arts

many were nothing to do with death

For the most part, they all originated in the same idea... Judo was disabling, Jui Jitsu was about locking (which includes killing)

Some were survival, some were fitness, some were to death, some were for discipline and meditation

Karate which was originally made in war time

Tae Kwon Do which was made at war

including many others

most of which were created for "fight to the death" scenarios

There is not 1 martial art that was made for fitness :)

And I am saying, not ONE

Yeah - I have studied many of them, including ones which were absolutely not for the scenarios you mention. And yes, there are martial arts purely for fitness

please give me an example

12:53 PM

Sorry you disagree - have a look on google. I'm off for lunch :-)

lol

didn't you say you trained them? give me a name of one of those you trained

and I will definitely google it

did you just seriously leave... wow... just wow... I know more than 15 martial arts including some of their history and not one of them were made for "fitness"... If you say you trained a martial art that was MADE for fitness... then don't tell me to google something so vague which doesn't give results... Instead give me the name of that martial art you did

Muai Thai, not fitness. Eskrima - Not fitness, Karate - Not fitness, Savate - Not fitness, Judo - Not fitness, Pangrateion - Not fitness, Krav Maga - Not fitness, Marine Corp Martial Art - Not fitness, Kung Fu - Not fitness, Sambo - Not fitness, Cambodian Bloodsport - Not fitness, Malysian Silat - Not fitness, Ninjutsu - Not fitness, Tae Kwon Do - Not fitness

I can add even more if you want... Good luck reading this when yo uget back (off to eat something myself lol )

that escalted quickly

I go for lunch for 5 mins...

Back again

:)

@Liam no clue what's gone on. Tried karate as a kid and gave it up because I was like 6 and didn't care

Unless we're talking wax on wax off, I know jack on their convo

1:08 PM

@Aravona My dad had a black belt. Not my thing

@Liam got a black belt friend (karate) and a friend who kickboxes but I forget her grade

@Aravona I do sometimes use meditation techniques while climbing

The only belt I have just holds my jeans up

@Aravona LOL

@Liam I do Yoga / Thai Chi deep breathing techniques often

1:10 PM

@Aravona These are mainly useful while papping onesself

:)

@Liam when what...?!

I love yoga, good for my dodgey hip :) need to do it more, but atm I'm jogging / doing crunches / doing weights

(1-2kg toning weights)

@Aravona ha ha

Meditation is useful while your paping yourself on a climb

Helps you calm down

torontosun.com/2015/03/03/…

LOL

@Liam omg that's amazing

@Liam also I saw papping... And the Internet has ruined me

Anyway :) I'm work from home tomorrow yay

@Aravona yay

1:27 PM

@Liam gotta love when you get asked if your program is ready to demonstrate and you say no... And they're demonstrating it anyway even though you'll be working on it...

Bloody stupid

@Aravona yeah, used to get that all the time

My fav one is when you do an estimate, you then spend half that time doing "other urgent stuff" and they still expect you to finish at the same time

started just counting them as "time allotted" and inflating them accordingly

time for some deftones.....

@Liam lol... I no longer give one coworker estimates shorter than a month because if I say oh, two days, and it's not done he'll assume it has been. He is useless at understanding development lol

And is 100% the reason I'm behind on this project

2:10 PM

And still I didn't get a correct argument lel

@Chessbrain yes I did leave. It was lunch time. Also, I'm not sure of the purpose of the argument, so I'm not really that interested in continuing it. We obviously have opposing views so I'm happy we leave it like that rather than bother going down the "I know this so you're wrong" route

2:45 PM

It's not really "I know that you're wrong" route... Rather, I have never even seen nor heard of a martial art ever made for fitness purposes. Yet you claim there, and before you even bother to name the martial art you just say it's a difference of opinion...

So when you claim something like that, obviously I would want proof, what kind of martial artist wouldn't? I am a fighter and I trained a couple of martial arts, and I am also a martial arts fan which means I read a lot about the disciplines.

So at this point, it is not a point of "views" it is simple history and fact

@Chessbrain I don't think rory wants to participate in this conversation any longer. So just let it go.

Yup - it's not anything personal, however I am not of the type that loves to launch into an argument of very little value with someone I have only just begun speaking to on the Internet. Winning or losing an argument on the Internet, for me, is an exercise in futility, frustration, and effort - for no return. Sure, I'd have this conversation in the pub over some beers, but not here, and not now

Much of my activity on SE is in calming arguments and cooling folks off from battles that started off as simple conversations, so my appetite for it in my non-mod role is very little

Wait... There's actual battles on a Q&A ...

I mean I can get a debate starting on a chat like this one

but on a Q&A ?

Makes no sense lol

@Chessbrain No - I help remove them, as they are not supposed to be there

3:01 PM

Ah, but it's interesting... What stuff do they even argue about ?

like, does it go off topic, or is it actually opposing opinions on the same topic

On Stackexchange sites the point is someone asks a question people provide an answer this is voted up and down depending on whether it is correct or not. In that way people get the best answer not a load of differing opinions and people saying, "that's correct", "no it's not" etc.. It's majority rule

Discussion's are frowned upon as it breaks the wrong/right answer dynamic. The point is, you google a question, you want the (most) right answer possible

This is chat though so it doesn't abide by them rules as such

We just expect people to play nice in here

:)

Well yes, but then how does a Q&A end up in that situation ?

I can't imagine people fighting over up votes lol

@Chessbrain I'm not sure I understand the question?

@Chessbrain ha ha

You'd be surprised!!

seriously ?!

dayum....

You do know this all comes from stack overflow right?

That's the original site

3:07 PM

Of course

I am a programmer :P

@Chessbrain imagine the fun and games between a vi user and an emacs user...

....

LOL

Seriously though, people fighting for upvotes lel... Never thought anyone would bother XD

@Chessbrain I was trying to find a discussion I had recently on SO but the mod's have deleted all the content

It was relatively friendly but he didn't agree with my vote to close as a duplicate

this was the question

I won BTW :D

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Q: Find all input with specific keyword

I'd like to find all the inputs that have at the end of their names the keyword [0]. I guess I have to use the following method: $("input[name=name]") But how to specify only a part of the name?

jquery jquery-selectors

Hold that's not it, that question has been deleted

anyway SO can get a bit nasty sometimes

lol

I stopped particiating for a while annoyed me

I had one guy who when I said his answer was wrong spent weeks going though all my question downvoting them, not too many at once so he didn't get caught

was a right pain

I think eventually I got the rep back

3:13 PM

I mean, I can understand someone getting upset over the "confirmed" answer part, when his answer might have truly been better... But I mean even then, it's just a button

@Chessbrain yeah people forget that

Part of the problem was when people started putting their rep on their CVs

Wait what...

You're talking about actual CVs right ?

the real ones that get handed to companies...

If people actually used the rep from here on their CV, then just... I am just... Oh god...

@Chessbrain There's a whole SE site with it all integrated

careers.stackoverflow.com

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It's just had major investment from some american billionaire

3:16 PM

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Christ I've totally forgotten how angular works.....

docs.angularjs.org/guide/introduction

I may be some time....

I have 101 points and I only joined 2 days ago... I like the number and I am pretty happy... But I sure as hell wouldn't add it to my CV if I had a billion even

@Chessbrain As the phrase goes - it's imaginary internet unicorn points :-)

unicorn points lel XD

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3:29 PM

wow

1 hour later…

4:37 PM

eisenbergeffect.bluespire.com/all-about-angular-2-0

:O

Right so angular's future is looking a bit iffy

2 hours later…

6:29 PM

Damn guys what the heck is going on here? You don't have to work aren't you?! :D
Too much chat to read through, any cliffs? Greetings all btw and especially for the new face @Chessbrain.

6:42 PM

@Liam Thx for sharing @Liam. But I don't really get the point. I read the book by Whymper and most of the link you posted is said in the book by Whymper. I know there were accusations against Whymper but they are just ridiculous. Cutting the rope in the moment of fall is sheer impossible. Whymper stayed longer at the summit so he can't really help the guys descending or decide anything resulting in the fall (they used the wrong, the weakest rope).

5 hours later…

11:47 PM

@Rory Why my comment was removed? outdoors.stackexchange.com/q/7898/2653

Because I said "shit"? I could edit that...

I don't like censorship ;(

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