@chmod: Thats great :)

Morning @M'vy @liam @Aravona

Hi @J.Musser @kevin

hi

Monring all

Afternoon.

@Aravona Late start?

@Liam busy week. Not been well and work is busy (tale end of last ever php project, my boss was saying he won't even bug fix after it's done so we can start the rollout with the new version)

@Aravona Awesome

You looking forward to entering the .Net world?

@Aravona MVC?

@Liam haha well I'm more than used to MVCs, PHP has a fair few. But it'll be nice to work with a decent one.

I've been doing a bunch if c#.net the past few weeks whilst the guys have been testing my php code... One bug and one new feature left to go...

@Aravona So long as your not doing web forms! That's so 2005!

@Liam haha. Nope. Using entity framework.

@Aravona So long as your not doing web forms! That's so 2005!

@Liam haha no. Using entity framework.

@Aravona No! Your missing the point MVC and web forms are two ways of generating the markup, nothing to do with DB access

@liam applying to jobs in the UK is so much more complicated than any applications I've had to do! every company basically wants me to rewrite my CV in their application forms. It takes forever!

They keep asking me about A levels, but I haven't had any =.=

@soph-e Ha! Yeah not sure what the Candian equivalent are. I think it's like an american college qualification, I can never get my head around college vs university over there though

@soph-e In the UK in school you do GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) then you do A-Levels (in a sixth form college) then you may go to university to do a degree

A-levels are sat between the ages of 16-18

GCSEs between 13-16

etc

yeah I get to learn about the UK's education system ;)

@soph-e Why you applying for jobs in the UK?

international experience! :)

my boyfriend is going to study a semester in London, and I need a stage. I figured I could try and get one overseas and it could be a really cool experience

London IT market seems a bit saturated though, I might start applying in Ireland :o

I haven't gotten a single reply from my applications so far

stage/paid internship / work experience

@soph-e Stage?

@soph-e Stage?

@Liam Thats super different to PHP, but I was just stating we're using entity framework, which is very neat and tidy. I don't think any of the developers in my company have even uttered the words 'web forms' unless we're talking form plugins on wordpress dude lol

@Aravona Web forms is a bit "old hat" now

@soph-e yeah employers here want 5 years experience and superpowers for an entry IT role where you make coffee and barely do any IT... Welcome to the UK job market... Please exchange IT for basically ANY other sector.

But many people use it still

@Liam unless you mean a form you submit on the web like contact form 7 etc... I don't even know what you're on about lol

@Aravona @soph-e which is why I have no interest in living in London! :P

@Liam I get decent job offers in London all the time... 40k and over. I just will not work in London

@Aravona no it was .Net's way of creating web sites (you built them as though you were building a windows app), then MVC came about as a pattern (PHP and Ruby jumped on it first) so Microsoft adapted it too

I've taken to responding to the job roles with, 6 figures a day and sure I'll work in London!

I like my lungs nice and healthy.

@Aravona I could prob double may wage if I worked in London, but my cost of living would triple!

@Liam haha very true. I'm Bucks so a bit less CoL and decent(ish) wage, and still countryside.

@Liam ahh makes sense. I've only every done MVC and CMS work.

@soph-e the cost of living is very high in London. Expect to live in a shoebox and pay a fortune for it

@soph-e think New york type prices

@Liam @soph-e my mate paid 1600 a month to live in a tiny flat above a bakery (rent only no utilities!) and they got mice from the bakery lol... Never understood that.

She should have just moved!

yeah we started looking at apt price

they're like the prices where I live, except change the CAD for GBP, which is double CAD ;)

@soph-e cheaper to live in the Home Counties and commute probably.

some flat sharing arrangement might fall within intern wages

like 500-600GBP / month for a room and shared kitchen

if it's far from the Tube

@soph-e that in London isn't as shit as you'd think.

yup

that'd be what I'd be looking for

You can get a house in my town for about 800, and just tube in everyday.

@soph-e That's more than I pay for my two bedroom house

Your travel expenses may go up but you'd not be sharing.

hoping for no cockroaches at that price point ;)

@ara how long would the transit take to, say, king's cross station?

@soph-e you shouldn't get them at all... I have never seen one in all my 27 years in the UK lol building regs usually force people to keep their places clean. But then... Mice

@soph-e from my town? 45 mins into Marylebone and then X minutes on the tube depending on rush hour...

I was hoping that software engineering / development market would be better than general IT, but I haven't had any luck

@soph-e unfortunately they want a lot of experience for a little at the moment (I just hit the magic 5 year mark... And only because I ran my own company for nearly 3 years)

oh man, I've been catching mice at my house recently... pesky critters! the cold made them eat holes below our outside door

@ara damn, that's crazy. No luck for students then

I might go look in Dublin or something. Unless there are some techno hubs somewhere in Wales ;)

@soph-e hit and miss. All depends on languages etc who wants what at what timeand how low you're willing to go in wage.

Right all. Time for an hour long drive home. Cya.

@ara thanks for the advice :)

@soph-e Lot's of tech jobs and tech companies in Manchester

@soph-e Not as many as London obvs

@soph-e Big hub of firms on the M6 corridor in Warrington, though warrington is not an exciting place to live

Commutable from Liverpool or Manchester though

I'll look for companies there, thanks

@soph-e Edinburgh is a lovely city and again, has quite a few tech firms