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R.M
1:33 AM
@belisarius so you went ahead with your plan, eh? :)
 
@R.M yep. I think it is a nice form of achieving some cohesion
 
R.M
Can it be made into a non-golf question?
 
@R.M Of course, but I know how to do it non-golfed. So, it come out as a non-legitimate q ...
 
R.M
lol
 
Eeehm
I will have to reread to have hopes of understanding the challenge/question/game
/celebration
...and follow the links
 
1:40 AM
@Rojo Read the inspirational question and my answer there.
 
Let's see
OH, very helpful
 
@Rojo Only be careful b/c that one is not prefix free
 
@belisarius So, let me see if I understood
We have to assign a code to each letter. A code being a list of something, such as integers up to 10 (a parameter). There has to be no list that is a prefix of another. The length of the lists is arbitrary.
Joining the lists that make up the 2 phrases should give the same reversed
Shortest encoding wins, and if tied shortest mma code
 
R.M
1:58 AM
no long integrands allowed
 
@R.M Haha
 
@Rojo one letter one code
integers from 0 to 9 ...
 
A code could be, for example, "a"->{0,1,4}, "b"->{2, 1}, " "->{4, 2, 2}
 
yep
 
in which case the word "a ba" is {0,1,4,4,2,2,2,1,0,1,4}
etc
and, if "b"->{2,1}, you can't have "c"->{2,1,5}
 
2:02 AM
you are so clever! :D
yep
 
So where's your solution?
:P
 
the trickiest part is the only interesting
 
Easier to optimize :D
 
that both words have to be encoded with the SAME string
 
Right
 
2:03 AM
one forwards, the other one backwards
 
and the objective is to do it with the shortest encoding possible
and in few lines of code
 
that (afaik) make that some combinations doesn't have a solution
 
Let's hope your sample sentences do have one
what about capitalization?
 
@Rojo aahhh no matter. I didn't try them
No caps
 
 
3 hours later…
5:29 AM
Anyone available for a quick answer?
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Q: find the limit without lhopitals therom

DeekorI'm trying to find the lim n->inf of (n^2+1)/(n^3+1) * n/1 I know the answer is 1, but I cant remember how my professor found it so simply without using lhoptials theorem. Could you please show me the shortcut?

 
 
12 hours later…
5:34 PM
Hi, @AbbyT.Miller!
 
greetings!
 
What's up?
 
not a whole lot. just dropping in to say hi from Stack HQ :)
 
:)
 
how's it going?
 
5:36 PM
Pretty well, thus far. The chat room is eerily quiet today. Usually this place is a hive of activity.
 
glad to hear it!
this site is really uniquely awesome. sometimes i stop by just to admire the design and remember that this community created the logo on their own... and i think (i will have to confirm this) they might have set a network-wide record for fastest time from leaving area 51 to hitting graduation. so. good on you guys :)
 
We beat ubuntu into beta by about 6 or 7 days, but I don't know what the graduation record is.
We were very motivated! :)
 
and clearly it paid off!
 
It was amazing how fast we hit the various benchmarks: definition, commitment, and then beta. We went from definition to commitment over the weekend prior to Christmas last year, and then into beta in January. Now a full fledged site. Rather fast paced.
 
eight months all told, i believe
sort of unheard of
 
5:44 PM
My heads still spinning a little from it all. :)
 
Hmm, oddly enough, I ran the numbers not that long ago:
 
@TimStone 67 days! Wow. I know we didn't beat that. But, into beta, we got 'em.
 
@rcollyer I think Ask Ubuntu was a bit of a special circumstance when it came to graduation. Either way though, you guys did pretty fantastic getting your site through beta :)
 
@TimStone yeah, normally they don't let you graduate prior to 90 days (or at least, now they don't). But, I'm happy with what we accomplished.
 
acl
6:01 PM
@rcollyer BOO!
 
@acl Boo!
 
acl
@rcollyer I posted an answer which is guaranteed to annoy Mr.W: no infix, imperative, doesn't work on older versions, no effort at conciseness, twice as fast as his. Would love to see his face when he sees it
 
@acl Yes, but you compiled yours, to c nonetheless, which changes things considerably.
 
R.M
@rcollyer doesn't matter... faster than Mr.Wiz's
 
acl
6:08 PM
@rcollyer that's part of what will annoy him, yes
 
I was just stopping in to post an annoyance: SetDirectory is global which is annoying when you are dealing with multiple notebooks at once that need to load stuff from different directories. :P
 
acl
@rcollyer it works for the active kernel, so unavoidable. is it context-dependent? could you use a different context for each notebook?
 
@acl no, it is not context dependent. That's the annoying part.
 
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Q: Small typeface bug in user profiles

Abby T. MillerI've mentioned this to Jin already but wanted to drop a post onto Meta to make sure it doesn't get reported in duplicate. Check out the screencap. We've got two different fonts in play on user pages:

 
Weird. She used my profile for that meta-post. :P
 
6:19 PM
yeah, it was handy 'cause you were right here in chat :)
and i didn't have any questions or answers in my own profile, not being a mathematica user
 
It was just odd. I looked at it and realized I was intimately familiar with that profile! :)
 
haha, "gosh, i know those questions!"
 
Later, all.
 
have a good one
 
 
1 hour later…
7:38 PM
@Mr.Wizard I don't agree with the closure of the DumpSave question. The question was not about how to DumpSave an interpolation, but how to dumpsave one instance of a memoized function (which in this case happens to be an Interpolation, but that's not the issue here). I was writing an answer but was stopped short by your closing the question.
Hi @acl
New avatar?
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries hi
@SjoerdC.deVries yep, hofstadter butterfly
 
@acl Let me guess: are you reading Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach?
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries no, I read it some time ago
 
@acl because yesterday you had bach as avatar. Tomorrow Gödel?
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries however, one of my recent papers is on interacting particles in a magnetic field (the butterfly is related to the energy spectrum of noninteracting particles)
@SjoerdC.deVries just coincidence!
@SjoerdC.deVries no, logic isn't my thing
 
7:44 PM
There is no such thing as coincidence
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries ha
well, ok, so I was most likely listening to something by bach when I wrote the code for the butterfly
there you go
(well, "read" is not the right word for GEB, I don't think I read the whole thing in one go)
 
I still have to finish the last 100 pages or so, but I guess the genetics part has to be rewritten given the advances in that area
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries I don't even remember that part.
 
I read it somewhere around '87. My memories aren't that fresh either.
 
acl
Hofstadter (who has a PhD in physics) has written a single paper, which however has around 1000 citations
not bad
 
7:50 PM
@acl he changed to CS hasn't he? Did a lot of AI stuff
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries something like that I suppose.
he took, I think, 10 years for his phd (started somewhere, moved etc)
and produced a single paper
try that without a father with a nobel prize
:)
 
I remember a paper (not by Hofstadter) from the early decades of the previous century. It had like 150 pages. That would have been 15 papers when published nowadays. AT that time only quality counted, not quantity.
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries it probably wasn't as different as it looks
someone I know sent a 90 page paper to phys rev b
they thought he was joking
 
You have page count rules for most journals I used to read
 
@SjoerdC.deVries Sorry, I didn't get the ping until now. Please reopen it in that case, but also correct the title.
 
8:06 PM
@Mr.Wizard I'll do that and will also refer to your answer as it's an appropriate building block in my answer.
 
acl
@SjoerdC.deVries I don't think PRB has hard limits
in any case, it was rejected by the editor as too long
 
R.M
8:26 PM
@acl why limit when you can milk $100 per page?
 
acl
@R.M sometimes maybe, but in APS journals there is no publication fee
the only journals I know where you pay a publication fee are open-access
 
R.M
@acl huh... well, I pay $100 per page for no open access. I think APS is the exception, rather than the norm
 
acl
I don't know of any physics journals which charge and are not open access
 
R.M
I don't like the practice — they get users to review and do editorial tasks for no pay, yet they make you pay for publishing, make others pay for subscription/individual articles/membership, etc. However, it's not like it's coming out of my pocket...
 
acl
@R.M yes, I guess that is why it's sustainable. people have other things to worry about
 
8:39 PM
@Mr.Wizard @andyross I feel that your answers to the plot question (in which the asker shows no effort whatsoever) might have been a bit less complete. Guiding the asker to solve her question herself might have been more appropriate here. See also the homework meta discussion:
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Q: Policy on Homework questions

rcollyerAs we have received two homework questions today, and likely will have more in the future, what should our homework policy be? Should we ban them entirely? If not, what degree of help should we give? Also, do we make a distinction between Mathematica being used to solve a homework problem, or the...

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Q: Regression and nice nice plot

Lucy BrennanThis is for a physics report that I have to hand in. I have a list of two-dimensional data points that approximately form a linear line. I want to: calculate the best linear fit. put both data points and the linear fit line on a plot put names and units on x and y axis (if possible) put slop...

 
9:04 PM
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A: Policy on Homework questions

Mr.WizardI have a soft mental quota for each user; I'll help in whatever way I can, to a point. Generally for a new user like Andrea I'll post complete code sections. For the next few questions from the same user I'll post snippets, suggestions, and help links. After that I may stop answering, or answe...

 
@Mr.Wizard I saw that of course, but it was my impression that yours was the minority position in this debate.
 
@SjoerdC.deVries Perhaps, but it's still mine. :^)
 
@Mr.Wizard You don't think you should take community opinions into account?
 
@SjoerdC.deVries Of course I do. Have you seen how often I come here, polling for opinion on closes, etc.?
 
@Mr.Wizard Of course I have. So, how should I interpret your answer then?
 
9:09 PM
My answer has six positive votes and one negative vote, therefore I can confidently assert that I am respecting community opinion here.
 
@Mr.Wizard The other answers have even more positive votes and tend to go in a different way
 
@SjoerdC.deVries Can you point to one that you feel is in direct opposition to my own?
 
@mr.wizard See belisarius (+18) ...hate lazy people trying to pass exams (or meeting work deadlines) by using the personal effort of others, abusing their passion for doing... / ...teaching to fish ...
verbei (+12) ...I don't object to questions that come from people's homework, as long as they show their code and explain where they got stuck. Sometimes there is a useful general principle that can be illustrated in the answer. But we should refrain from giving them the whole answer...
My own (+7) If a homework question resembles a givemethecodez question it should be closed. If it focuses on a conceptual problem that is part of the solution we can help to fully solve that partial problem. Some effort of the asker should be apparent.
 
acl
initially I thought Sjoerd was too harsh, but I now think he is right.
 
R.M
goes back to get more popcorn
 
acl
9:19 PM
for instance, searching for regression in the docs gives "How To: Perform a Linear Regression" as the first hit.
but OK I'll stay out of this :)
 
@SjoerdC.deVries I don't disagree with the sentiment. However, I remember being a newcomer to M. It is quite daunting at first and I feel a little hand holding early on is needed for a person to become comfortable enough to find their own answers. This leading is why I linked to LinearModelFit in the answer. Hopefully this helps them discover the documentation system so that they can work a little more on their own next time.
 
R.M
My take on this is that one can never police answers to HW questions. There will always be some good samaritans who have never been burned by freeloaders or continue to help despite that. And that's OK. We can try to point them to general habits on the site, but that's about as far I would go... One can even make a personal rule on how they would vote on answers to these questions, but that's up to each one to decide. I felt the comment under the post was sufficient preliminary help.
The meta post on the other hand was on HW questions and whether they need to be regulated. I think the question here was fine compared to others, but I would've just voted to close as TL, given the pointers in wxffle's comment. Both answers go beyond what I would've done, but I don't see that as overtly going against the community
 
R.M
I do think it's good to help these folks out (taking into account general tone of question, prior behaviour, etc.) — either in the answers or the comments, which ever they choose. However, they should also expect very basic and rtfm questions to eventually be closed and removed. Removal might be at a much slower pace now that we have only 4 non-mod 20k users, so there's chance for everyone to see and learn
 
@VitaliyKaurov Yeah, have seen it too. Very interesting oftentimes. Also one argument against initiatives to allow golf questions here (there's already a site for it).
 
R.M
9:33 PM
Speaking of which... there's the recent code-golf question. My comment has been getting upvotes and because of the ambivalent nature of the comment, I have no clue what the votes imply... lol.
 
@AndyRoss @R.M fair enough. I just wanted to point out there has been a discussion on this and we might need to take this a bit further. I hope I haven't been too harsh (as @acl distills from my chat post). This was not my intention (and I had thrown in a couple of might haves to make that clear).
 
@R.M yep I smiled at your commen too ;-)
@SjoerdC.deVries hehe I can't hide it - I think I canda like golf stuff
canda = kinda*
 
@VitaliyKaurov I do too. But most often a code-golfed answer here, on mma.se, isn't the best way to go. You usually get very cryptic code that way.
 
9:50 PM
@SjoerdC.deVries you maybe right. it's a lot like Gold mining. You have dig through dirt a bit to find a gem ;-) it also flexes the mind towards power functional programming - in some cases at least ;-)
 
@SjoerdC.deVries I still don't think this first-time-poster's question fits that category. This person is not rude, has not made a pattern of such posts, and asks a simple question without baggage. The basic answer that I provided is scarcely any code, and probably took me less time than listing a series of functions with links would have. I'm just not seeing the problem. In fact, if such a first-time question were not welcome on this site I'd have a problem with that.
 
acl
10:06 PM
@Mr.Wizard While I agree with the sentiment, I want to point out that typing "mathematica linear regression" into either the documentation centre or google gives [this](mathematica linear regression) as the first hit, wherein questions 1. and 2. are directly answered in the second screenful. I don't want to be unpleasant to people, but really, someone who knows markdown and how to format code here should be able to find this out.
but, OK, none of my business I guess.
sorry this is what it gives
 
R.M
@acl no harm in voicing your opinion/concern... you're after all, a part of the community here.
 
acl
@R.M I was more thinking in the positive sense: I don't have to have an opinion, not being a moderator
although I phrased it badly.
 
R.M
Heh, you can be a moderator and not have an opinion too :) I know what you mean though...
 
acl
speaking of fits, can anybody suggest the best place to find out the differences and relations between FindFit, GeneralizedLinearModelFit, LinearModelFit and so on?
I've been sticking to FindFit but I should probably find out what the rest of them are
 
R.M
How about these: Unconstrained optimization and Constrained optimization? (I haven't used them, but those are generally useful)
 
acl
10:14 PM
yes, but I was hoping for something more concise. I have used both, but for minimization, and of course haven't read the whole thing
hm, I somehow had missed this. Let's see if it is as useful as it looks
 
10:45 PM
@AbbyT.Miller Actually, we created two logos :)
And thanks for your kind words. I think it would be good if the StackOverflow blog had a post on how we went from having our first Area 51 proposal closed to graduating in about 7 months. The answer being a core of dedicated users who wanted the site to succeed, promoted it, and recruited other new core users who had not been active in the on StackExchange.
Re the question - in this case, she is polite and clearly a beginner. Also, this is not Mathematica homework, it's physics homework and I get the impression that it wasn't necessarily expected that she use Mathematica to produce the output. She wants to know if it's possible in Mathematica, and the answers show that it is. I would expect more effort in her next question, but I think as a first question it's ok.
that said, I think it would be worth someone who has already posted a comment or answer to her question to post a welcome comment explaining a bit about our expectations.
See the edit to my answer on that meta question. I think the question being discussed here falls into case (2).
 
11:25 PM
@acl No, it is your business. If you feel strongly you are free to vote to close the question.
 

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