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12:00 AM
@Verbeia, gonna kill your cat?
 
@Rojo No, just arthritis shots: she is 19 years old - very old lady!
 
@Verbeia, niice long life!
 
@BrettChampion yes, 14.5 / day according to Area 51, used to be closer to 12/day.
 
@Verbeia Wow!
 
@BrettChampion, there are still more questions posted with the mathematica tag in SO than in here? I wouldn't have imagined, I never check that site
I was born here
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12:08 AM
@MrWizard Hello, Mr. Wizard !
 
@Rojo Currently 2150 on SE to 2121 here.
 
Ahh, total questions
 
@BrettChampion can always migrate a few ;-)
 
Doesn't matter, we'll cross over sometime next week.
 
That accounts for another happy magic prime/confetti question
 
12:12 AM
@Artes I'm sorry, I have to leave. I'll be back within the hour. My apologies for calling you.
 
Woow, I started getting rep again :)
That ceiling to the rep you get each day resets every day at 15-mins-ago?
 
@MrWizard Ok we'll talk later, I'm have to sleep now, bye !
 
@Rojo Resets at 00:00 UTC, I think.
 
...and googling current time UTC gives 18 mins ago, great... And the top is around 230, right?
The top rep
 
Top rep is 200 from upvotes. There's no limit to what you can get from accepted answers or bounties. So 230 means you got at least 200 from upvotes and 30 rep from having answers be accepted..
 
12:22 AM
Thanks @BrettChampion
 
@Rojo So are you making a run to beat Sjoerd to 10K? :-)
 
@BrettChampion, no, this is just how my rep grows usually. Like a staircase. 200 one day, 10 the next 2
However, I'd like to get to 10K, and I like seing myself in the top 8 (first 2 rows when I go to the users tab)
I seeeee it was a trick question :P. Sjoerd is almost there
 
We're close to everyone on the first page being >3K.
@Rojo But JM is in easy reach. Of course passing a moderator could be hazardous... :-)
 
Haha, he passed me last so he deserves it
The top 5 are in a different league however
They keep me humble
so, 6th would be my favourite spot
 
Time for me to go. Talk to you all later!
 
12:34 AM
Cheerio
 
CHM
1:08 AM
@Rojo back
 
@CHM welcome
 
CHM
Evening ;)
 
Hehe
I hope I learned
 
R.M
@alecco Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it :) Not many people would be nice enough to do that. If you ever do use Mathematica in the future, remember our site... new users are welcome here :)
 
CHM
Do you say buenas tarde or buenas noches?
 
R.M
1:13 AM
buenas nachos? mmmmm
now I'm hungry
 
CHM
Hehe
@RM I removed the question in the meta.
What do you think of the device, then? To me it looks bound to revolutionize HCI for the masses. Can't wait to try it.
Note: when I use the word masses, I really mean it.
 
R.M
@CHM it's a really cool device and I'm amazed that they can offer it for ~$60-70
I won't deny it, I was fascinated by the hand/finger gesture monitor in Minority Report when it came out
 
CHM
I'm pretty sure most of what you pay is the software.
Apparently they're able to track 100K points of data in quasi-RT, compared to a 60K maximum achieved by an MIT team using a Kinect.
 
R.M
I wonder how they track fingers without any sensors... for example, if you extended your palm out, facing upwards and folded your fingers, the palm should shadow the fingers, no?
 
CHM
Yeah, must be a nifty algorithm. But I don't think he does that gesture in the videos - maybe with good reason.
They say you hook it through USB... but I don't see any wire. Wonder if it's bluetooth.
 
R.M
1:29 AM
yeah, probably bluetooth
 
CHM
I imagine someday we'll program without keyboards and mice, but with a virtual touchscreen and headset: "conduct", not program, your software.
 
@RM it seems like the two week avg of visitors/day is starting to see an uptick. I couldn't imagine that the 38k views of your question had anything to do with it.
 
CHM
@rcollyer Ha! @RM I showed that to my GF - she loved it. Usually, she won't hear me talk about this website or anything MMA related. But that, she found very cool.
 
This is interesting: a public apology.
I did not notice he had posted here, also.
 
R.M
@rcollyer it's not avg, but median. So no, it had nothing to do with it
We genuinely growing :)
 
1:42 AM
Or just continuing the std fluctuations we've been seeing for months now.
 
CHM
I hadn't read the thread on reddit. Seems like they're jealous.
 
lol
 
CHM
Do we know who is Nazdrovje?
 
I have my guesses, but I won't say who.
 
CHM
ok.
 
1:46 AM
@rcollyer I think there has been a genuine step-up in questions/day for a couple of weeks now. See the stats.
Visits/day has been cycling around 1400 for a while, but just clicked up to a little under 1500 in the last couple of hours.
 
@Verbeia I hadn't looked that closely at the questions/day. That's good news. I was more paying attention to the flat trend in visits/day.
 
trick will be to keep the momentum (and no I'm not suggesting more bagel fights over on reddit ;) )
 
nah, next time: ice cream.
 
R.M
@CHM Yeah, but as rcollyer says, I'll let you guess :P
@rcollyer How can I calculate how high a soft serve twist icecream can be before it collapses on itself?
 
@CHM more to keep some little bit of anonymity. it isn't much, though.
 
CHM
1:50 AM
@RM =)
 
@RM that's a good question. There was this place where I went to high school where there medium's were about 8 inches above the cone.
Never got a large. I was to scared.
 
CHM
Fine, fine. I'll leave it at that.
 
R.M
@rcollyer I was in Utah last week... 2$/cone and yeah, about 8". A foot if you include the cone. Another place served 1/3 pound of icecream delicately balanced on a cone... Compared to those, I'd be lucky if I can get something the size of a baseball here
 
@RM could you get them chocolate dipped, too? I could, and they were delicious. (I don't think they're in business anymore.)
 
R.M
apparently they're 1/2 lb, not 1/3... sheesh.
It was delicious though
 
CHM
1:54 AM
Chocolate dipped vanilla ice cream = yummy.
 
R.M
@rcollyer lol.. no wonder!
 
@RM A 1/2 pound! I used to be able to eat a pint of Ben&Jerry's in a sitting, but it has been a long time since then.
 
2:09 AM
@BrettChampion Not really. :) For purposes of the "race" ;), ignore the diamond...
Also, for some reason, a fair bit of the neat questions get asked and answered when I'm away from the computer.
 
 
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3:44 AM
@RM Take a look
 
R.M
4:37 AM
@chm @sjoerd related to today's discussion: bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18643205
@bel that is awesome!
 
5:08 AM
look at the pick-up in new users in the last two days
 
 
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7:33 AM
@belisarius You might poke someone's eye out with that ice cream if you're not careful.
 
 
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9:54 AM
@belisarius A bit if a rant of my own: I fear that Mathematica is getting too big for its own good. Many things have been added, but it appears that existing functions and operations are getting slower in new versions. Further, there are many bugs and performance gaps that appear to be passed over in favor of adding shiny new features, sometimes with their own bugs and idiosyncrasies.
The language itself is very expressive and I wish I felt that more attention was given to making it as fast as possible, yet there are issues such as the lack of performance of the pattern matching engine I asked about on StackOverflow. I really wish that by this time, instead of "Compile to C" there was a JIT compiler of sorts that would optimizing the native language to the maximum degree.
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I know this is not easy but neither were the great many features that have been added between versions 4 and 8.
 
10:15 AM
@MrWizard I share your concerns, but otoh a new release is always something like Christmas. I spend weeks unwrapping all the presents in there. Having only bug fixes, however necessary, would be a big let-down.
Typing this on my iPhone in the waiting queue for the barber/ hairdresser or whatever the current term is in English nowadays.
@RM thanks for the link. I was a bit afraid to pre-order but this sounds genuine.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries barber for men, hairdresser for woman (at least in the UK).
 
@Heike barber sounds like a term from a cowboy movie.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries To me, a barber sounds quite old fashioned as well, but the term was quite common in the UK. Maybe it's different in the US.
 
I just asked the guy next to me in line who happened to be from the UK. He confirms your claim. It's a bit old fashioned he says but getting fashionable again.
 
My lunch btw:
 
10:28 AM
I hold my breath
;-) should have guessed
 
It's not a bagel though.
 
Have been dieting for weeks. So I shouldn't be looking at food for my own comfort
 
I stopped caring about diets years ago.
 
@heike did you use the procedure used in the movie? It looked unnecessary complicated to me.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries No, I just cut like I normally would, but going around in a spiral instead of keeping the knife horizontally
 
10:36 AM
@Heike Sometimes there's just too much of yourself and with the summer vacation nearby I just bit the bullet.
 
I bit like the animated mathematica movie from youtube that was posted here a few days ago.
 
@heike you mean one not of yours?
 
@SjoerdCdeVries I meant this one
 
@heike cool. Colors could be better, but the cutting idea is really nice.
Didn't expect it to become such a hype
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Me neither. Apparently bagels are a big thing in some parts of the world.
 
10:47 AM
@heike We should probably try to cut up hamburgers too. It will be a bit more difficult to parametrize that.
 
10:57 AM
@SjoerdCdeVries Is there anything interesting you can do with a hamburger?
 
11:21 AM
@heike A sierpinski hamburger?
Wouldn't gain so much weight with that
 
12:00 PM
@SjoerdCdeVries You would need to start with a triangular hamburger
 
How's that?
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Isn't the Sierpinski sieve triangular?
 
I was referring to the sponge
 
12:18 PM
@SjoerdCdeVries Oh, ok. I think that's called the Menger sponge.
 
That was the label of this picture, but a search for sierpinski sponge lead me directly to this.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries I've implemented that one a while back:
 
12:36 PM
I've seen this in one of the earliest mma graphics galleries.
 
1:39 PM
I wonder why the popularity of this site among Asians
 
I have posted a new version of dynamicPartition. Since, unlike the last version, I have not actually used this regularly I would appreciate some help testing it to make sure it works correctly.
@belisarius Since when can one determine ethnicity from an IP address?
 
@MrWizard Well I think is partly faith
 
@belisarius So if I use Tor, then I'm a mongrel?
 
@JM Really? If you say so ...
 
@belisarius Well, with Tor, the IP changes every so often...
 
1:49 PM
@JM Perhaps that is being a mongrel ...
 
2:01 PM
@MrWizard Hi, it seems you wanted to tell me something, didn't you ?
 
@Artes yes, I wanted to talk about the question I deleted. You flagged it saying it should not have been because the answers were not all duplicates. I'm here to listen.
 
@MrWizard Ok, I agree that post could be closed, but not sure if it's ok to be deleted.
@MrWizard There were e.g. yesterday another question closed as well, but not deleted. So I'm a bit confused on the policy of what questions are to be deleted.
 
Segue: since there was some talking about Sierpinski and Menger a few lines back...
 
@Artes It seemed to me that it was a clear duplicate, and the answers were duplicates. It also did not seem that it would significantly help someone find the answers through search. On this basis I deleted it, as it is part of my role to keep the site clean. I am of course interested in the community (your) opinion on such matters.
@JM May I have code for that?
 
@MrWizard This mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/7676/… was closed, so I'm curius why it hasn't not deleted so far.
@MrWizard There is a reference to that deleted post.
 
2:12 PM
@Artes Okay. First, it has not been there very long and I prefer to let a quesiton sit for a while before deleting. Perhaps the community will vote to reopen for example. Second, the wording seemed enough different that it might be found in a search where the original is not, thereby helping someone find the answers.
 
@MrWizard Sure, since you ask so nicely... :)
With[{n = 4}, Nest[(# /. gc : GraphicsComplex[pts_, __] :> Map[Function[p, Translate[Scale[gc, 1/2], p/2]], pts]) &, PolyhedronData["Octahedron"], n]]. Change n if need be. You can replace "Octahedron" with "Tetrahedron" or "Icosahedron" if you are so inclined.
Nowadays, making Sierpinski versions of Platonic solids is so easy... I needed to write a good amount of code for those pictures back in the day.
 
@JM Thanks. Rotating that object is a real graphics test even with RotationAction -> "Clip"
 
@MrWizard I have a question on Mathematica blog. Could you point out some references for me to understand what it is intended for ? I am rarely on chat and I may not know some important issues.
 
@Artes You've seen the meta threads on those already?
 
@Artes I'm not the one taking the lead on that. You could start here if you haven't read those topics.
 
2:19 PM
Now the code for that one... I still haven't fully figured out how to simplify.
 
@MrWizard Thanks, I'll take a look at those meta-posts.
@JM I had overlooked related threads, I'm not a frequent meta-visitor.
 
2:50 PM
@Artes Also, the deleted question described the problem in terms of graph edges just as the original did. The yet-undeleted duplicates describes it in terms of sets or lists. It may be best to include sets/lists in the original to take care of such questions.
 
Hello people
 
@JM Is there Perlin noise involved in that one?
 
Is there a way to get notifications when a new answer has been posted to a question?
(Or a comment has been added to an answer that's not yours, etc)
 
@Heike Nope, just iteratively shrunken dodecahedra.
 
@JM Not even the colouring?
@Rojo I would like to know that as well. I used to think that that's what starring a question was for, but that doesn't seem to work that way.
 
3:03 PM
@Heike, yes, I accumulate favourites and never remember to check them out
Also when you sort the questions by "Active", they all say "modified" it would be nice to see at a glance if a new answer was added, a comment, an edit or what
 
@Rojo care to explain your 2K challenge answer?
 
@Rojo Yes indeed. Even changing a tag or so sends a question back to the top of the active list.
 
@MrWizard, sure
 
@Heike Nope. Just plain SurfaceColor[]. (I did that particular picture in version 4, you see.)
@Rojo Comments don't bump questions. You can add a comment to a very old question, and only the post owner and whoever you @-ddressed will know that you added a comment.
 
@JM Really? Looks good for a version 4 plot, or did you replot it?
 
3:10 PM
@MrWizard I think the problem is specially suited to that solution. Reciting the algorithm: "a number is happy if the squared sum of its digits is happy. 1 is happy. If while doing this loop you come into this number again, assume it's not happy. If it turned out it was happy, all of the numbers in your path were also happy, so remember to overwrite your assumptions"
 
@Heike Nope. I just dug out my old fractal polyhedra notebook today and copied the picture...
 
It's a kind of double memoization that seems very nicely suited to cut these kinds of loops
Basically, you temporarily use that same happy[num] place to cache your assumptions, should your recursion turn into a loop
 
Here's the Sierpinski icosahedron I did from that set:
 
@Rojo I'm going to have to give that some thought. Sounds nice though. :-)
 
@MrWizard, you temporarily use that same happy[num] place to cache your assumptions, should your recursion turn into a loop. If it doesn't, well, you'll overwrite your assumptions afterwards so it's fine :)
 
3:16 PM
Okay, I think I start to understand. I do like this kind of thing; thanks for directing me to it.
 
According to area51 we have 14.6 questions and 1494 visits per day at the moment. It would be nice to reach 15 questions and 1500 visits again before we graduate.
 
@Heike and there's no way we can change that behaviour of starring and active list?
 
@Heike Apparently, it's sometimes hard to guess if questions would be blockbusters. I too never thought that bagel question would be a blockbuster...
 
@JM, even I showed that question to a non-MMA-user friend. It just has no prerrequisites to be appreciated
 
@Rojo I don't think so, but I'm not an expert on the site's interface.
 
3:24 PM
How's the blog going? People already working on posts, right?
 
I'm still puzzling on how to make the inner surface more bread-like. The current coloring I have is a start, but still a lot of work needs to be done to make them look more plausible as holes...
@Rojo I have a few things I could submit (though they were originally intended for my blog :D ).
 
@JM nice :) I'm eager to read it ;)
 
But, I think I'll wait for those graphics-related posts suggested by others; they will likely have wider appeal. :D
Then I'll submit mine.
 
What's it about?
Yeah, people love bagels and word clouds and visual stuff
 
@Rojo I was a bit preoccupied this week, so I'm planning to start writing properly next week.
 
3:28 PM
@Rojo Oleksandr got interested in a compact routine I wrote for generating Savitzky-Golay smoothing coefficients (it's in the transcript somewhere). I've been sitting on that algorithm for too long, and a new blog is as good a place as any to post a description of that routine...
 
@JM so I guess I have some weeks to learn what a Savitzky-Golay smoothing coefficient is, until @Heike, the visualization queen, posts some attractive appealing graphics, so that then you dare post your own
Humm, I think I should improve my English before deciding to contribute to the blog. That last sentence proves it
Hehe
 
Yes, if you want to hook people, you'll want to dangle lots of (eye) candy first before anything else. ;)
Sadly I don't have any unposted eye candy posts (unless I get around to writing about my simplex noise routine in Mathematica).
 
For now, I'm an eye candy eater, not maker. I don't have much to contribute there
 
Anyway...
Should I toast that bagel?
 
Toast that half only
 
3:41 PM
@JM That is more jaguar like than bread like :D
 
@belisarius Yeah, the holes are a challenge to do. That's why I haven't posted code for that one yet. But the crust looks fine to you?
 
@JM The crust is fine!
@JM Isn't there a way to use a real bread photo strip as a texture?
 
@belisarius I could, but it feels like cheating... :D
 
@JM Think of it as sport. Like fly fishing
 
You fish in real life?
 
3:53 PM
@JM That depends on what "real life" definition you use. But yes, I do.
 
@belisarius "real life" as in you have a pole that you cast on some body of water every so often... what's the biggest one you've caught?
 
@JM Considering only salmons and trouts, a 18 Kg brown trout.
 
Mmm... trout. Really nice after salting and drying.
 
@JM I prefer smoked. But I almost always do catch-and-release
 
gravad lax!
 
3:58 PM
@belisarius Oh, okay, you're one of those humane guys... :)
 
@JM Nahhh I don't want to extinguish my own fun
@Heike hehe
 
@J.M nice, but I needed a Sierpinski hamburger. I was thinking of deep-freezing one and than slicing it in a microtome while making pictures of the each slice to get a good 3D texture. Alas, I don't have access to stuff like that anymore.
 
@belisarius It's almost as good as soused herring.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries That's a harder proposition. To do something with the genuine feel of hamburger, we'd need bump mapping, which Mathematica doesn't support... yet.
@Heike Looked it up. Seems tasty. Maybe when I'm in Europe again...
 
@Heike I love herring with sour cream and onions. But it is too expensive here
 
4:04 PM
Why are all questions always answered when I finally return to a computer with MMA installed?
 
@belisarius soused herring is quite expensive here as well (about 1.50-2.00 euro per fish), but it's still very popular.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries I sympathize. Most good questions pop up when I'm away from the keyboard, too.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries the universe doesn't want you to get to 10K before me
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Don't you know murphy's law?
 
4:06 PM
Bye for now, people
 
@Rojo Adios!
 
Bye @Rojo
 
@JM I see lots of them when behind a Iphone or iPad but answering Q's on that is just a pain or simply not possible. I feel my fingers itch, sometimes. Luckily, moderating is a different thing.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Sometimes I wished earth was tidally locked to the sun. Then time zones wouldn't play a role any more at least.
 
4:09 PM
Well, I submit that the iPad is eminently unsuitable for coding... :)
@Heike So... who gets perpetual daytime?
 
@JM Maybe people would have to travel back and forth between the lit and dark side for work/sleep.
 
Ahhhh, sneaky mr.wiz answered a new question. Does he never sleep/eat/shop?
I guess I have to fire up my old "new questions watch" utility
 
@SjoerdCdeVries :s/he/they
 
Well, it's a "mr"
 
@SjoerdCdeVries At least you seem to be converse in chat on your iphone/ipad. I still haven't found a browser that lets me do that on my android phone.
@SjoerdCdeVries and a wizard.
 
4:15 PM
@Heike what seems to be the problem?
Did you try switching to non-mobile view in chat? It's in the menu at the bottom
 
@SjoerdCdeVries I can see the chat channel and the input field but when I try to type the keyboard refuses to stay on the screen. It pops up but then disappears again.
@SjoerdCdeVries I'm using the desktop version.
 
there's also a setting "stay at the bottom"
Oh
At my work we used to have HTC's, but they had lots of problems. They decided to switch everything to iPhones in September. The whole department was exuberant
BTW do you know whether we can have downloads in our blog? The one I'm considering would need a dxf file.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries How do I set that?
 
It's in mobile view I think, so you don't have that. With that set you scroll back to the bottom immediately, pretty annoying most of the time.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries The main problems I have with iphone/ipad is that everything is locked in and that the memory isn't upgradable. If that hadn't been the case I would have bought an iphone instead of the android I have now.
 
4:26 PM
@Heike Why do you use MMA instead of an open source derivative?
 
In mobile view chat does seem to work.
@SjoerdCdeVries I've got nothing against corporate software.
 
I have a 32 GB iPhone and iPad. I have never run into memory problems
 
I wouldn't own a macbook if I were.
 
And with the amount of apps available, there's also (almost) no reason to feel locked in
 
@SjoerdCdeVries I have 8GB in my android and I'm constantly running out of space, but that's probably because I have around 7 GB of music/podcasts/films on there.
 
4:29 PM
I have around 20GB of music.
Of course, that's only part of our library ;-)
I'm considering Spotify, but it's a bit expensive
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Maybe locked in isn't the right term. I like to use my phone as a portable hard drive. If I plug it in it shows up as a removable disk on my desktop. Maybe things have changed, but I couldn't do this with my ipod touch, which is why I switched to android.
 
@Heike If I attach it to my PC I can see the pictures in a windows file browser. I suppose (but haven't tried it) that I could put files on the device using the same.
 
Also, I like to be able to play around with writing my own apps without having to pay 50 euro per year for the privilege
 
There are apps that make it a wireless disk drive
Have to prepare dinner, the wolf pack here claims it is hungry
bye
 
I should cook some dinner as well.
bye @SjoerdCdeVries
 
 
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7:23 PM
@SjoerdCdeVries Isn't it 5 euros/month?
 
Have a quick question. Is there build in Low Pass filter ? Band Pass Filter ???
 
Is anyone working privately on any blog posts at the moment?
@newprint I don't know, there may be in the wavelet functionality, but I'm not familiar with that.
 
@Szabolcs Not yet.
 
7:39 PM
@Szabolcs I will after I return from vacation (3 weeks in July). I plan to deliver it somewhere in August.
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Sounds great!
 
@newprint Did you have a look at either guide/ControlSystems or guide/LinearAndNonlinearFilters?
@Szabolcs Any news as to CDF support?
 
@SjoerdCdeVries Not yet. I'll ask next week.
 
buenos dias, @rojo
 
Qué tal @SjoerdCdeVries
 
7:52 PM
@Rojo Es así
@rojo ¿y tú?
 
@SjoerdCdeVries IK ben fijn te
 
We are so fortunate English exists
 
right
I hope we don't have to learn Chinese any time soon
 
Hehe
Hope not
 
7:56 PM
我希望你们学习中文! ;D
 
Ni hao to you too, @Szabolcs
 
@Rojo That's the only bit of Chinese I know
 
Nei hou
 
@Heike, I know that, and I think I know ni chi le ma, that someone once told me it's like our "how's it going?" but actually means "have you eaten?"
Perhaps I was lied to, never checked
 
@Rojo Maybe it's the same thing in Chinese.
 
7:58 PM
Cultural weirdness
 
@Rojo Yes, “你吃了吗?” I was told it sounds very old, and people don't use it much nowadays.
 
Well, chinese think old people are wise, right? Or that was japanese?
 
China is changing very very fast.
 
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