hello guys

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Hi peter,How are you doing?

well enough

Actually in new in my project, I have been told by my senior to retrieve from around 15 table and there is very complex filtering

retrieve from table ,match with another table,bla bla bla

last time he gave me some wrong information,

I belived him because he is my senior and did accordingly

but as he gave me wrong information, there were lots bugs raised by testers during testing

This time I believe his informaion are not correct.

he explained everything orally and in my project there are no documents

will it be ok if I send a mail to him(showing the information what he gave me orally), and keep my manager in cc,

What do you mean by 'information'? Is it the project architecture, database schema, deployment environment, or... what?

@PeterTòmasScott I mean database schema

Then document it and seek confirmation

A project should have an authoritative source of information about the database schema. If this does not exist then document the areas of the schema you are working on and seek confirmation that this is correct.

I would also suggest that you approach this as an area for team development rather than just trying to pass-on culpability. If the development team don't know what the database schema looks like, then that is a significant problem that needs to be addressed.

there is not a single document in my project

start making them

Hello

Hi

Im looking for other programmers opinions - possibly those involved/have been involved in hiring processes - with regards to getting a degree. I'm currently looking at a "BSc (Honours) [in] Computing and IT" but as part of the course you select a specialisation... the options to pick from are: Computer science, Digital Technologies, Networking, Software development or Web Development.. as a developer who's happy staying a developer (or at least, related to development)

I feel everything is irrelevant other than Software development, Computer science and maaaaaybe web development, as I am a C#.NET developer who mostly works on ASP.NET projects on the web, and i'm usually tasked with handling front-end HTML/JS projects as well as the back-end.. Question is what degree do people here think is more relevant/respected to/by programmers, computer science or software development?

I'm going to lunch soon, but there are a few angles here.

First, the side of the company. Some companies (especially larger ones) may use the fact that you have a degree (especially a related degree) to filter out job applicants.

There are plenty of good people out there with knowledge and experience that don't have degrees in a related field, or perhaps a degree at all. Some companies do have regulatory requirements (you probably aren't going to work in aerospace, defense, or healthcare without a related degree).

To me, a degree in "Computing and IT" is so broad that it doesn't have much meaning. But it seems like you're in Europe, so maybe that's more normal there. In the US, I've found that many Computer Science programs are too theoretical and mathematical and don't teach the skills you need to function at a job. I was happy with my Software Engineering degree, since it was tailored to someone going to work in industry.

Yeah, I know its relatively irrelevant from what I've witnessed first hand working as a developer for the past 4~5 years. I agree with the whole "Computing and IT" part, but I'm wondering if its an umbrella term for the course and you get a degree in the specialisation you choose? (doubtful... think i've got a boatload of wishful thinking here)

in any case, i have worked alongside colleagues with similarly-named degrees and they seem to be considered equivalent to colleagues with specifically a computer science degree... I'm just wondering if anyone who has seen potential job candidates with degrees with similar "specilialisations" have even taken note of them, or whether its all mostly irrelevant as long as I have the agree

to be honest I'm leaning mostly towards the computer science side of things, mostly because I'm genuinely interested in this side of IT as it is something I have never had opportunity to explore, and I mostly want to pursue a degree out of my love of learning new things...

guess i kinda answered my own questions with that last statement

"This must be wrong - we can't possibly be that stupid"

@RobertHarvey time your builds and you can add hard data to the "time lost" figure

Yikes. 44 answers. Apparently a lot of people had something to say about that.

@RobertHarvey asking for a spec is also not agile.

> Working software over comprehensive documentation

@durron597 Why not?

@ThomasOwens do you know the context?

Yes.

i mean, i could ask for a spec, we've discussed requirements, the problem is that they change

Some subset of those requirements need to be stable. Any methodology to develop software breaks down when all of the requirements change.

for instance we have two types of ids, one for people who have registered and one for those who have not

Agile is about responding to changes, and not responding to throwing away the whole set of needs and starting again.

because our product doesn't require registration, most business questions have been answered relying on the one that you get when you aren't registered

however we have a new requirement to answer certain questions that can only be answered if they've registered

OK.

business / product side has stated that these are important questions, and they are okay answering them on the subset of customers that have registered only as it can be interpreted directionally

(i'm not sure i agree with that stance, but whatever)

however my tables that i've extracted to don't have the registration only ID

now, perhaps you could say that i could have anticipated the need to store both.

three weeks ago no one was asking questions that required the registration only id

That makes sense. You used what you needed at the time.

so now i have to add the column to the schema and re-extract all the data

which has a fairly high operational cost (well, not that high, like a day of boring work)

but it adds up

Is it time consuming?

yes

Can it be automated?

i guess i've put a lot of thought about how to automate the incremental extracts but not backfills

maybe that's what i should be doing

I'd start there.

It may take a lot of time, but at least you can go off and maybe do something else in the mean time.

the agile user story is "we need to be able to run backfills efficiently as requirements change"

I guess that's the answer to my question, feel free to write it up on main site

You should self answer.

I'd up vote it.

You got there mostly on your own.

The frozen guy with the carrot nose said the same thing first

I posted my answer anyway

Have a +1!

It's funny how allergic people are to deleting their own questions.

@RobertHarvey for instance?

'Course, he's question-blocked on Stack Overflow, so.

@RobertHarvey I love my machine, high end macbook pro, woot

@ratchetfreak I'm currently trying so hard to make our build process faster, but no one else seems to care :'(

add a timer to the build

@ratchetfreak I already have feature requests out for a dashboard detailing the entire build process :P

I suggest ctime: gist.github.com/cmuratori/8c909975de4bb071056b4ec1651077e8

all you need is a prebuild and postbuild step

and the timing gets added to a file that you can grab the stats out of

and you can let it dump a csv of the build timings

keep track of it for a month or 2 and make some graphs

when time lost is expressed in days/month people will start to listen

I think basically there is the "if it's more than 5 seconds but less than 10 minutes it might as well be the same" factor

if there is enough time to stretch it's already too long

I'm mainly concerned with our CI system, which includes integration tests in addition to unit tests

and you don't have to convince me :P

ohai

and a happy coffee day to you all

I have a question that I need help formulating. It's a bunch of stuff I don't know anything about.

I've got a windows script file -- this seems like it's a fancier batch file? -- and its purpose is to invoke blahblah/cgi-bin/cgilink?param=1&param2="stuff" etc.

I'm wondering if I can do that using something I know how to work with instead, or if I should try to figure out the scripting part.