The Whiteboard

PreferenceBean

12:00 AM

it's easy enough and I'm a quick enough study

Aaron Hall

My answers help any?

PreferenceBean

I still have to refer to the various API references (for both Python's stdlib and for [Py]GTK) so I don't think the overheads would have been much different

@AaronHall answers?

oh, SO?

Aaron Hall

Yeah, I work really hard making great content on SO that goes in depth on Python.

PreferenceBean

not sure tbh .. I only SO'd a couple of times. didn't look for author's name. and the questions were typically on specific libraries anyway, not on Python generally

Aaron Hall

I got a shout-out from a speaker at a conference. I happened to be in the crowd at the time and he knew me, but still. :D

PreferenceBean

12:02 AM

the Python syntax itself I've had no problem picking up. and I must say it's refreshing how quick it is to just get something done in Python.

Aaron Hall

Well I'm glad to know that.

starring that. we need better rep for Python around here. :D

PreferenceBean

but it's not like I've done much with Python yet beyond managing serial connections, composing a GUI, setting and manipulating timers, writing classes, functions and loops, generating a couple of arrays, and getting pyInstaller to do what I want w.r.t. embedding resources

tell you what though I have a horrendous coupling between my GUI and "business logic" (ugh) in one of the four main areas of functionality

I just don't have time to separate them right now and, tbh, I'm not even sure what a separation would look like beyond a horrific duplication of lots of code

so perhaps Python's a bit too easy because I can see that technical debt staying in the code for a while

enderland

you mean you refinanced your technical debt to a lower rate with python?

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PreferenceBean

hah kinda

what I've really done is to re-implement a big chunk of my sort-of-web-based element management system in local app form for use over a USB link. so that peeps can verify the elements at commissioning-time before handing them over to long-term management with my main system

Ixrec

if the only way to separate them involves lots of duplication that sounds like actual separation is logically impossible anyway

PreferenceBean

12:06 AM

if I had my way I would have made use of the C++ libraries from which my main app is somewhat constructed

indeed, just a few months ago I was humble-bragging at how re-usable it all was

Ixrec

ah

the multi-language thing always throws a wrench in that kind of stuff

PreferenceBean

but then this requirement comes along with a much tighter deadline than anyone could have anticipated (because until I put together a PoC for fun nobody realised that we actually need this ... next week!) so I had to Python it up on the quick

more technical debt

although, in hindsight, there are enough differences between how one interacts with the elements over a network and over the USB link that it's probably for the best

but a bit of refactoring of this new code wouldn't go amiss.

oh, and I did re-use some of my config files (so I had to re-implement their parsers, naturally -.-)

so yeah. that's been my weekend. and last weekend. and a lot of the days in between..

but I'm more than a little scared because it's literally being used for important official business in just over a week and still absolutely nobody knows the freaking requirements

and when it inevitably goes completely wrong as a result, it'll all be my fault because I wrote the software

twatz

enderland

1.5x hopefully? :D

PreferenceBean

I think so

not actually sure

Ixrec

just to be sure to publicly and repeatedly tell everyone that nobody knows the requirements and you're just guessing

then they can't possibly screw you over...maybe

PreferenceBean

12:10 AM

done 69 overtime hours this year so far - and tbh I often do a good 10 or so in a month without being paid for it. so this'll be nice for a change.

@Ixrec the email I sent out half an hour ago with my first version of documentation attached (which also did this for good measure) was crystal clear, indeed :)

Aaron Hall

there you go, he took back his downvote. Still didn't upvote...

we should order answers by upvote velocity.

PreferenceBean

12:45 AM

probably haven't posted this here before. have a present (love this): soundcloud.com/boogiebelgique/boogie-belgique-live-band

nn

PreferenceBean

2:30 AM

missed it :(

nn again lol

Aaron Hall

2:46 AM

Queen - Under Pressure (Official Video)

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woot, I got spacemacs working great on a VM. :D

I think I could just do it on my normal ubuntu now

PreferenceBean

10:33 AM

-5

Q: I dont know where is im doing mistake plz help guys

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lol?

PreferenceBean

1:23 PM

Get in the boat

Duga

I voted to close this as "primarily opinion-based". This would probably be better served on Programmers. The problem with the question lies in the fact that I wouldn't even have a service at all for that. Separation of Concerns would have you put all of those methods on the House class since they are all acting on an instance of a House. Perhaps with something other than a simplified example, you could demonstrate something that should be in a service. — krillgar 55 secs ago

Jimmy Hoffa

Happy Coffee Day

MetaFight

@JimmyHoffa no!

Unhappy pie night

Jimmy Hoffa

1:54 PM

^^ I dun' get it..

Kit Z. Fox

omg coffee. bbl

enderland

@JimmyHoffa +1

user55340

2:23 PM

@RobertHarvey @Ixrec (since you two tend to find the NLP questions also) medium.com/@sicross/…

Ixrec

very cool, though I still can't warm up to the idea of talking to my computers

still headphones and a keyboard for me

user55340

@Ixrec notice the rather larger "list of regex" style configuration... And the Amazon scale development effort behind something as clunky as that.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec I have gotten in the habit of using the one on my phone for simple shit; "remind me to get the pizza in 10 minutes" when I pop it in the oven, "take me home", "directions to <address>", or basic searches "who was in <movie>" etc. Simple crap so I don't have to type it on my phone. The Echo seems super cool except it just creeps me the feck out knowing I'm almost certainly being recorded 24/7 by it

Ixrec

honestly, I've never even tested those features

Jimmy Hoffa

that alone is why I won't get an Echo

@Ixrec I just hold the search button, it pops up and let's me say what to do.. it's easy and avoids typing on the tiny phone keyboard. That's the only reason I do it; if I'm driving or watching a movie or doing something else and don't want to poke about at my phone. It's not a magical panacea like so many believe it's sold for, it's just a keypad-automator.

user55340

2:35 PM

Siri and similar are great for the simple things. Set a timer for...

Jimmy Hoffa

I just keep telling myself the one on my phone isn't recording me 24/7, I can turn off what applications can access my microphone etc so..

user55340

Echo has the possibility of being real neat. Especially in the kitchen.

Kit Z. Fox

I am so confused about what is going on at work right now.

Apparently the project lead thinks that we're going to end up doing waterfall, just on a very small scale.

user55340

@KitZ.Fox you mean scrum right?

Kit Z. Fox

Well, see, that's what I thought.

enderland

2:37 PM

@MichaelT I'm trying to debut maven output.... :o hahaha

user55340

Isn't that what a sprint is?

Kit Z. Fox

So I'm all like "this is how I understand this stuff to work" and my boss says "that's not what the project lead wants; he thinks you are telling business what they want and so he wants them to come and give requirements in the sprint planning meetings."

I don't understand.

Am I misunderstanding the process? Shouldn't we have already collected and prioritized user stories by the time we get to sprint planning?

It's true I haven't done this before, but his method doesn't seem like it will work to me.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT yeah, I actually really like the idea and want to have it. I just don't want an internet connected device that listens to me 24/7 - which exists solely to listen to me.

Ixrec

my understanding: ideally user stories will already be written before the sprint planning meeting, and the sprint planning is merely a negotiation of which tickets should go into the sprint (based on how long they'll take and whether they're "ready" yet)

Jimmy Hoffa

I'm not usually creeped out by technology stuff like that, but the Echo just takes it to a whole new level imo. Also those kinect camera's; no thankyou.

Ixrec

2:42 PM

it is probably possible to spend the entire sprint planning meeting on coming up with user stories and making them "ready", though you probably won't have enough to fill a whole sprint it might be the most productive option in this situation

enderland

keep in mind this is all assuming that your team is a fully functioning Agile team and not a brand-new-getting-started one

Ixrec

(we actually did something similar a few weeks back because we'd decided to try doing this scrum thing properly but the biz guy hadn't had a chance to write any user stories before that meeting)

Kit Z. Fox

I'm really confused and also my feelings are hurt, so I'm having a hard time figuring it out. More coffee and some tingle videos will help, I think. Donuts would be good too, except I haven't any.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox it's just classic project nonsense: "We must change everything to <buzzword>!" translation: "I figured out a way to get everybody to agree to let me run everything by using <buzzword>, now I get to be the authority! Yay me!" - actually doing <buzzword> is not the point.

whether scrum get's done, or waterfall, or whatever, is beyond the whole reason somebody upturned the whole mess

Kit Z. Fox

@JimmyHoffa But they're holding out some mysterious "leadership" position for me. At the same time, it sounds like I'm being told to do things a certain way.

@JimmyHoffa I hadn't thought of it that way. This is an attempt to gain authority over my work, I bet, since he's run out of direct reports to recruit.

user55340

2:49 PM

@KitZ.Fox I am now trying to picture you with a Japanese tail thing and wondering how good of an idea it is.

Ixrec

I was just imagining a sad fox

user55340