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12:00 AM
I was considering slow cooker beef stew this weekend.
We bought a quarter of a cow this fall.
 
12:18 AM
@KitZ.Fox does it still moo?
or do you have the wrong quarter for that?
 
It does not still moo, being that it is in vacuum-sealed frozen apportionments in the basement.
 
user15026
@KitZ.Fox Yuuuum.
 
12:42 AM
> Aurelia is the most powerful, flexible and forward-looking JavaScript client framework in the world.
 
user15026
@KitZ.Fox I want a freezer separate from my fridge so I can store things like that.
 
user15026
My current place is too small, though. No room :(
 
OK Google, how do I get my schwerve on?
Damn. Wrong window.
 
user15026
I don't know if I can help with that :P
 
Beef stew might help. According to this article: "Feed her! Women with full stomachs will have more sex with you"
 
12:54 AM
As much as I love design questions, this just for the life of me I cannot see writing an answer to, because I cannot find a question in it. So voting to close...
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Q: Enterprise App Architecture - quick analysis

ChrisGI've designed an architecture as below for a ground-up modern enterprise cloud app we're starting on right away. It will start out simple with 2 or 3 developers, and then grow over the next few years with new functionality, possibly to dozens of tables and millions of records and up to 6 or 7 de...

 
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@KitZ.Fox There's nothing I can say to that that is remotely appropriate, and I am still at work, so.... ;)
 
So you're saying you've just eaten?
 
user55340
1:14 AM
@Ixrec so does svn.
 
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407
Q: How do I edit a log message that I already committed in Subversion?

Jeremy RutenIs there a way to edit the log message of a certain revision in Subversion? I accidentally wrote the wrong filename in my commit message which could be confusing later. I've seen How do I edit an incorrect commit message in Git?, but the solution to that question doesn't seem to be similar for S...

 
user20683
Android eBook reader apps... Go!
 
user55340
The issue, no matter what the server is that the commit message, if pushed to a place where multiple people can access it, is very much meh
 
user55340
@KitZ.Fox you so need to ask that question on DIY.
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn my nephew has often had the "try it, make a face, have some more, make a face, have some more..." For some reason, he likes pickle juice. His first experience with root beer was also amusing.
 
1:26 AM
So tonight, the littlest delayed sleep with "OK, good night ... oh. Uh, what's an optical illusion anyway?"
 
user55340
Your new bedtime book?
 
I explained it and then he asked questions and I said "We'll look at some tomorrow."
That book looks cool though.
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Q: How to hire good developers?

Gian DProbably I'm not in the right place but I really would like to understand how to hire good developers. Thousands of people are selling themself as SUPER Developers, I KNOW HOW TO CONNECT YOU WITH GOD and other self advertisments that normaly create more confusion than understanding. I do not hav...

Tagged with FTW.
Is a question like "What are good criteria for evaluating a php developer?" on topic here?
 
no
 
user55340
There are no good php developers. Problem solved.
 
1:33 AM
pretty much anything to do with hiring/interview processes is considered off-topic (Workplace.SE does that stuff much better anyway)
 
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@MichaelT I was thinking something more along the lines of "1. Can they write code in any other language?"
 
and even if it was on-topic that'd probably be too broad, for the same reason that "How do I write PHP well?" would be too broad
@MichaelT /facepalm
 
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Mar 5 '14 at 23:42, by MichaelT
user image
 
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For the not 10ks.
 
1:35 AM
"He should be carefull with the jedi." <-- what does that even mean!?
 
Do you echo in php? I'm so confused.
 
user55340
@Ixrec See, php are on the dark side... and sith... and only sith deal in absolutes whatever the php type system is.
 
snickers
 
I echo in ksh
 
user55340
1:36 AM
You can if you want to.
 
user55340
My favorite php wtf... php.net/manual/en/control-structures.break.php - read the change log. Consider the implications.
 
OK. I've had the pleasure of php only once.
 
user55340
Second favorite php wtf: news.php.net/php.internals/70691
 
user55340
> Well, there were other factors in play there. htmlspecialchars was a
very early function. Back when PHP had less than 100 functions and the
function hashing mechanism was strlen(). In order to get a nice hash
distribution of function names across the various function name lengths
names were picked specifically to make them fit into a specific length
bucket. This was circa late 1994 when PHP was a tool just for my own
personal use and I wasn't too worried about not being able to remember
the few function names.
 
what on earth would you do with break $var;?
 
user55340
1:38 AM
@Ixrec you can change the value of var.
 
I know, I'm asking why you'd want to
 
user55340
For some beautiful conditional goto that is hard to reason about?
 
Is it usual to break out of case-switch? I know that's beside the wtf, but I can't remember.
 
@Ixrec because hatred and poison. Evilness.
 
user55340
@KitZ.Fox only way to do it in that language. Much like C in that respect.
 
1:40 AM
@KitZ.Fox in most C-like languages I know the break at the end of each case is required, or else control will "fall through" to the next case (which is sometimes desirable)
 
I see, thanks.
 
user55340
But that strlen thing - think about it "writing a new function... hmm... 7 character names are full... whats an 8 character name for 'parse xml'?"
 
user55340
That was an actual thought process!
 
I had heard about the strlen function hashing nonsense before, that is quite depressing
 
I have a habit of thinking of break as a Bad Thing, kind of like try-catch.
 
1:41 AM
@Ixrec you should be awesome and figure out how to take this and given a new MIDIFile from it, set intervals for calling a function with a number correlating to 0.0-1.0 on the scale where the midi file is for each note in the file with a length parameter
...because if you don't, I'm going to have to. Meh.
 
@MichaelT And thus we return to the situation previously discussed.
 
@KitZ.Fox break and continue are fine; the kind of code where they become confusing is usually code that has multiple nested for loops, which is something you generally want to keep to a minimum anyway (especially in languages with map/reduce/filter/forEach where you don't even need traditional for loops half the time)
 
user55340
There's also this fun:
 
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$foo = "3d8";
echo "$foo\n";
$foo++;
echo "$foo\n";
$foo++;
echo "$foo\n";
$foo++;
echo "$foo\n";
 
user55340
And that prints out:
 
user55340
1:43 AM
3d8
3d9
3e0
4
 
wat
 
blinks
 
like, I see that it's incrementing the last character
 
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and then 3e0 is valid notation for "3 to the 0th power of 10" which equals 3
but how the hell does that change it from a string to an integer
 
1:44 AM
That's hex or something.
 
user55340
Perl has something like that too... where php stole it from. But perl says "thats a number" form the start and goes "4 5 6"
 
user55340
3e0 is interpreted as a value in scientific notation.
 
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Which is 3.
 
I can't make it work in my brain.
 
user55340
And then 3++ --> 4
 
1:44 AM
yeah that's definitely not hex
that's the e as in scientific notation
 
user55340
The thing is that php blurred string and numeric types too much.
 
even Javascript doesn't implicitly convert number-shaped strings to numbers prior to unary operator invocation! that's just insane!
 
user55340
See, perl has kind of the same functionality - but note that first section: ideone.com/qBwOpb
 
user55340
> The auto-increment operator has a little extra builtin magic to it. If you increment a variable that is numeric, or that has ever been used in a numeric context, you get a normal increment. If, however, the variable has been used in only string contexts since it was set, and has a value that is not the empty string and matches the pattern /^[a-zA-Z]*[0-9]*\z/ , the increment is done as a string, preserving each character within its range, with carry:
 
user55340
1:48 AM
See, 3d8 doesn't fall into the string increment because it doesn't match the regex: "and matches the pattern /^[a-zA-Z]*[0-9]*\z/"
 
> The auto-decrement operator is not magical.
inconsistency!
 
user55340
@Ixrec says the C++ developer.
 
who turned into a Javascript developer
 
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A: Why does the boolean type in C++ support ++ but not --?

MichaelTIn the old days of C, there was no boolean type. People used the int for storing boolean data, and it worked mostly. Zero was false and everything else was true. This meant if you took an int flag = 0; and later did flag++ the value would be true. This would work no matter what the value of f...

 
the boolean ++ is one of those things I just don't use
 
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1:51 AM
> Note: this use is deprecated, see annex D.
 
There. I answered a question. It will probably be closed, but at least I got my feet wet.
 
would be nice if C++ had a clean official subset like ES5 strict mode
 
user55340
@KitZ.Fox Two close votes on it already.
 
Let's celebrate success with some bourbon.
 
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Granted, one is mine... which isn't too surprising.
 
1:53 AM
@MichaelT I won't learn to not be afraid unless I just do it.
I keep reminding myself of this as we lurch into agile.
 
three close votes now
 
My boss was so nice to me today.
 
user55340
One of the great... frustrations... of the site is that there are so many interesting questions that would make for great discourse.
 
user55340
Need to work on spinning up that whiteboard unofficial blog via github pages.
 
She basically told me that the next six weeks, learning agile and switching to agile was my job, and I was to not worry about anything else except that.
 
user55340
1:55 AM
Are you familiar with C2?
 
user55340
Noting that it is the TVTropes of programming...
 
@MichaelT we could always move to Reddit...
 
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@Ixrec Medium would be more in line... I'm after a blog type thing where I can write and ramble for a page.
 
user55340
Reddit doesn't have that.
 
user55340
I'm not interested in fostering discussion on the 'blog' page - its the whiteboard blog - you can come here.
 
1:57 AM
@MichaelT Me? Y'all have mentioned it, but I don't know it.
 
user55340
Realize that a link like that can destroy half of @ThomasOwens's day.
 
for some reason I don't "get" C2, it just isn't as addictive or informative as Wikipedia or TVTropes
usually it's just a bunch of comments arguing about what a word means
 
user55340
@Ixrec it was the first wiki... and you've gotta find the right corner of it.
 
From 50 Ways to be romantic right now: "Attach a $100 bill to a Victoria's Secret catalog, along with a note to him saying, "You choose."" Really? Come on, people. That's not going to buy much of anything from Vicki's. ... Oh. Hmm.
 
user55340
1:59 AM
We occasionally go "look! Robert Martin posted here!" type things... well... he was active there for a period.
 
user55340
You can read about the first big agile project... C3 - Chrysler Comprehensive Compensation System
 
I don't think that is going to do it for me. It's hard to read.
 
Don't they believe in CSS?
 
it's history
 
user55340
2:02 AM
The WikiWikiWeb is the first ever wiki, or user-editable website. It was launched on 25 March 1995 by its inventor, programmer Ward Cunningham, to accompany the Portland Pattern Repository website discussing software design patterns. The name WikiWikiWeb originally also applied to the wiki software that operated the website, written in the Perl programming language and later renamed to "WikiBase". The site is frequently referred to by its users as simply "Wiki", and a convention established among users of the early network of wiki sites that followed was that using the word with a capitalized W...
 
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I don't recall CSS in '95.
 
Ah, hence my knee-jerk "It's a conspiracy!" reaction.
@MichaelT It's not 1995 now.
 
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@KitZ.Fox It is in a state of arrested disrepair.
 
Fair enough.
 
user55340
Meatball wiki (a fork of it for discussion of virtual communities) is even more frozen (C2 gets some activity at times): meatballwiki.org/wiki
 
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Or one that I've referenced in the past: meatballwiki.org/wiki/GoodBye
 
Pastafarianism requires that I avoid reading about such things.
@MichaelT I feel like I'm getting messages about this today. Makes me feel a little bit off my rocker.
 
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@KitZ.Fox Nah... not me, here... but it was one that I brought up for people who have just left abruptly in the past.
 
No, it's just that today I happened to be thinking about my own chatacular saga and the resulting fallout and three times today rage-quitting has come up. It's a strange synchronicity.
 
user55340
@KitZ.Fox I would contend that SE departures aren't always rage quit.
 
2:12 AM
This one clearly was and it was directed at me in no uncertain terms.
Not the first time that it has happened, but the first time with someone that I knew very well and for many years.
I'm not sure why I was thinking about it today though.
 
user55340
Fair 'nuff... SE's mechanisms for account deletion (or eternal profile message) make for some odd permutations on it though.
 
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't know what you see either. I think mods see different things on deleted accounts.
 
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There are things like this:
 
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An eternal profile message because the user isn't going to change it.
 
2:21 AM
I see what you mean.
 
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Then there's also things like:
 
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21
Q: What constitutes an answer?

user289086A fairly consistent question that gets raised on MSO is what constitutes an answer. This takes several forms: Why was my NAA flag declined? (example) These comments should have been an answer. (example) answers that appear to address the question. (example) This appears to be related to a he...

 
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where the user is gone gone.
 
Yeah.
Frigging meatball rabbit hole. shakes fist @MichaelT I'm supposed to be finding a romantic movie.
 
user55340
@KitZ.Fox go chance the troll post.... or Shrek.
 
user15026
2:35 AM
@KitZ.Fox And when you're me, you don't super fit well in anything they offer.
 
@AshleyNunn Tell me, have you eaten? licks chops
 
user15026
@KitZ.Fox giggles I'm just finishing a bagel!
 
Pretty much all 50 were pale shades of grey.
@AshleyNunn Well, according to the internet, I am quite irresistible to you right now.
 
user15026
@KitZ.Fox That's true! I am full of food, and I know that the internet told you earlier that that makes me want things.
 
user15026
(although I think I have a cold, so....you know.)
 
2:38 AM
Super lame advice. I wish there were a pro manual for this sort of thing, rather than this half-assed gossip rag bullshit.
 
user55340
I want whiskey beer cupcakes!
 
user15026
@KitZ.Fox I mostly just go "hi, you're fun and cute and I like your face" but I don't know if I am good at these things.
 
user55340
(still)
 
user15026
@MichaelT So do I! I should really make those, because @GlenH7 made them sound delicious (I think he's the4 only one who has actually made them)
 
2:39 AM
@AshleyNunn I was really good at it, but then I had children and it went all to crap and I don't know how stuff works anymore. I don't feel very sexy, although I do feel like eating a lot.
@MichaelT Now there's a sexy note to leave on the kitchen counter in the morning!
 
user41796
@MichaelT Is that the same recipe? The URL I recall is from smitten kitten
 
user15026
Yeah, that's a different-er one than the legendary ones
 
user41796
I've only made the legendary ones (twice)
 
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There we go
 
user55340
2:43 AM
 
user41796
And I'm a bit late to the party, but Qix rage quitted in such a predictable boring fashion
 
user55340
However, what all of this makes clear is someone needs to make all three variations so that a taste test can be had.
 
user41796
"Oh noes, your fragile little ego was bruised!!!"
 
user41796
But he did finally present me with the opportunity to be cussed out in chat
 
user15026
@GlenH7 What how
 
user41796
2:45 AM
@AshleyNunn Where to begin....
 
user15026
I just can't imagine anyone cussing you out.
 
Challenge accepted.
 
user41796
And he didn't even do a decent enough job of covering his azz to protect from the easy "rude/offensive" flags, so I felt obligated to delete his posts before he got kicked
 
user15026
Fun stuff.
 
user15026
I mean I've gotten cursed at but I hang out in the Bridge, so that just kinda happens
 
user41796
2:46 AM
Just so he could eventually get around to saying what he wanted to say before huffing off to elsewhere
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn somewhere around here is when the fun starts with his pathetic predictable rage quit
 
user15026
Oh yeah I remember that now
 
user15026
it was boring
 
user41796
It really truly was
 
user41796
It was like a bad B movie where you knew every line before it was said
 
user15026
2:50 AM
Pretty much
 
user15026
Looks like I ignored it to talk to @Ampt about Newsflesh (which are such excellent books)
 
user55340
Btw, if you haven't read them yet... Quarter Share ... Owner's share and the new book are very good. The first two trilogies are on free pod casts if you don't want to buy an ePub.
 
user41796
Pathetically, if it isn't on audio, it's pretty low on my list at the moment.
 
user41796
I need to change up my priorities
 
user41796
2:53 AM
Two more votes to delete @MichaelT, @RobertHarvey
 
After 25 years or so of doing this programming thing I now find that I can no longer read a book without falling asleep in 5 minutes.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 one
 
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Ahh... pink.
 
Well, a technical book anyway. I'm considering going on a Pluralsight binge.
 
user55340
2:54 AM
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Q: New background for deleted posts

GlenH7Programmers has picked up a bit of a reputation as of late. We've done our best to shed the remaining issues from the NPR1 days. And we're fortunate to have users who focus on maintaining the site's high quality content, and who move quickly to get rid of the cruft. Heck, we even invited Undo ...

 
user55340
Speaking of which, we haven't seen him in awhile.
 
user41796
@KitZ.Fox So bourbon is your preferred poison?
 
user55340
Note - it isn't status-declined!
 
user41796
@MichaelT Seen who, Shog?
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey need a 30 day code for them?
 
user55340
2:56 AM
@GlenH7 You're a nanosecond too late. Every one is precious.
 
user41796
ah, him
 
user55340
Btw, @KitZ.Fox for a sampling of days of old:
 
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user41796
I think he's bored with us
 
user41796
We don't respond to his bait and simply shut his sh!t down instead
 
user55340
2:58 AM
Dec 11 '13 at 17:52, by MichaelT
"I want it to be red, like dripping blood. After N hours, the color of the deleted background should be a dark reddish brown... like dried blood. I want to hear the scream of the bits as the get sent to /dev/null never to be seen again - please include a .midi file of this when viewing a deleted question"
 
@GlenH7 I have a subscription. I'd better start using it too, and soon. Shit, it's expensive.
More expensive than my gym.
 
user41796
Yeah, they're not cheap by any means
 
user41796
Some really good content, but not anything you can neglect like a gym membership
 
user55340
Trying to center something in CSS http://t.co/BQfw8wq6gX
 
user55340
Snow forecast for Philly on Saturday: 11 to 18 inches https://t.co/ksIXtBEgqe
 
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3:02 AM
I wonder if this is a post for SciFi & Fantasy.SE:
 
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user41796
For real? 11-18" in Philly?
 
What is the shortcut for "what questions can I ask about here?"
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey /help/on-topic ?
 
user55340
3:05 AM
 
Yep, that's it, thanks.
 
user41796
Holy shoot
 
user55340
Forecast.io is my favorite forecast site.
 
c c c cold.
 
user55340
The related thing there is... well... I feel they kind of understate the weather some times.
 
user41796
3:07 AM
@MichaelT weather.gov takes a fairly conservative estimation approach as well. Although they err on the side of caution understandably
 
user55340
Like once I was in a "there might be a tornado a mile away" downpour and it said "medium rain". I've seen it say "Heavy rain" in places and that kind of scares me... I once saw it say "downpour" and it was really raining heavily.
 
user41796
They didn't want you to think it was a false alarm
 
user55340
Tornado sirens going off... and it goes "medium rain" as the tent is about to collapse under the weight of the water...
 
user41796
Sounds about right
 
user41796
Reminds me of the time I rode out a tornado / heavy thunder storm in a tent many decades ago
 
user55340
3:11 AM
@GlenH7 I was at Bristol Ren faire... the tent was a big one. There was a guy playing guitar and singing songs.
 
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Then the water started to blow in... so he moved t'wards the center of the tent... so he wouldn't get wet and so we could hear him.
 
user41796
Better ambience than I had
 
user55340
And then the wind started picking up... and the center pole could be seen moving up and down a few inches.
 
user41796
Just dancing along with things. What's wrong with that?
 
user55340
Then the sirens went off... and we were "um... thats not good" and some workers came by and shouted "Everyone get down - the tent is going to fall down!"
 
user55340
3:12 AM
They were able to get some people who were able to hold up the part that was collapsing long enough for us to get out.
 
user55340
It was kind of wet.
 
user41796
I can imagine on the wet aspect
 
user55340
It was me and my mother... we went to enjoy it (and we did, even with the rain). And to check out specific things like "what is the height restriction on this ride" so that we could properly set expectations for my niece.
 
user41796
Nice
 
user55340
There are a number of ways to enjoy a ren fest - you could be a cosplayer. And there are many of those... I'm not so much into that. You could be a show goer... and I do enjoy that. Shopping is also fun. And then theres the entire "watch the kids having fun"
 
user55340
3:19 AM
The last one is quite a bit of fun too - but it tends to preclude all of the other activities.
 
user41796
Yeah, because their level of entertainment is independent of the environment
 
user55340
Because a 3 year old and a 5 year old are not going to take the time to listen to a 30 minute show.
 
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(that tent that we went to - happened to be the case that there was 2 hours of music we wanted to listen to)
 
Don't know why I can't get my mind around the word "cosplay." It just feels... wrong somehow.
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey And get off of my lawn!
 
user55340
3:21 AM
 
user55340
There you go @RobertHarvey - and even from Bristol.
 
It's probably supposed to be read/pronounced as cos-play. But I always read the word as co-splay.
 
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Btw, I was wearing a T-shirt that said "I see the assassins have failed"
 
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At one point a random 20 something (black leather, sharp pointy bits sticking out places) and she said to me "We haven't failed yet m'lord" and then went off in the other direction.
 
3:24 AM
@MichaelT That's awesome.
 
user55340
I was rather amused... gotta make sure if I go T-shirt and such that I get that one out again.
 
user41796
laughing
 
user55340
There is a distinct possibility that when I go with niece and nephew (who do dress up) I will be trying for the common look... but in appropriate attire.
 
Speaking of appropriate, did the random 20 something have the usual décolleté?
 
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3:26 AM
@RobertHarvey much more the assassin's creed style wear.
 
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Though black, with pointy bits.
 
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user55340
Picture that... though again, black with pointy bits.
 
Still awesome.
 
user41796
3:28 AM
@RobertHarvey road trip!
 
user55340
They're still out there (saw them last year). I also saw them when I was in high school.
 
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They are not young.
 
user55340
Don't think they're as old as Puke & Snot though.
 
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user55340
And there is also the Tortuga Twins (three of them). That was an interesting experience at Chippewa Valley... small show. They had one stage (compare the 6+ at most others).
 
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3:31 AM
It was a very small faire... no checking of bags or the like.
 
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At one point in the middle of the last show of the day (when they get progressively more risque) one guy at sword point was asked "what do you want" and he responded back "two hookers and a bottle of rum"... at which point two bearded heavy set men in dresses ran down the isle. And you could see the confusion on their face.
 
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Went up to the guy, gave him a big kiss, and handed off a bottle of bircardi 151 to them and then ran off.
 
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Opened the bottle, sniffed, drank, "WOHA... yea, thats real" and passed it around to the other actors and then went back to "oh yea... two hookers and a bottle of rum..." and continued on from there.
 
user55340
Couldn't get away with that at any other renfair.
 
user41796
nice!
 
user55340
The title should inform you about the safety of this for office environments...
 
user55340
though if you scan to 45:45...
 
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As I said... it really confused them when that was actually granted.
 
 
9 hours later…
1:38 PM
@RobertHarvey neat, what are its practical uses other than highlighting how much hair it can pick up and permanently store?
 
@MichaelT I enjoy that sort of thing, too, thogh I've never done any cosplay :P
I went to the one in shakopee many years ago
 
@MichaelT I need that.
@MichaelT Poplin. That's the answer.
@GlenH7 For my regular price point, I like The Balvenie double wood scotch. I've got Bulleit bourbon right now because I gave some to my brother for his birthday and I enjoyed it, so I got some for me. I refer scotch to bourbon because bourbons are usually a bit too sweet for my tastes.
But when I'm out, I usually drink Jameson neat.
So.
Kinda all over the place there.
 

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