The Whiteboard

12:13 AM

@JimmyHoffa -1. Nobody ever needs to stop holding up pieces of spaghetti and shouting "I AM ZEUS!".

12:44 AM

@AshleyNunn just finished Ready Player One. I'm pretty sure you recommended that one - was awesome! Loved the pacing and overall style

I guess I have to get Armada now.

user15026

1:03 AM

I've not read Armada yet, so if you get to it before me, let me know how it is :)

user15026

If you like Zombie stuff and political thrillerish stuff, I highly recommend the Newsflesh trilogy

user15026

(I don't even normally do Zombies)

user15026

but these books were SO great

user55340

2:01 AM

user55340

The three most dangerous things:
1. Programmer with a soldering iron
2. Engineer with a system patch
3. User with an idea

user15026

@MichaelT I......

user15026

what

user15026

no

user15026

not a thing

user15026

2:06 AM

how

user55340

The trick is that since this is such high value technology, I've got a USB dongle that needs to plug into the computer for it to work.

Ampt

3:42 AM

@MichaelT estimated budget - $500

this kills me

To Read List: ~~The Martian~~ , ~~Ready Player One~~, Armada, Newsflesh Trilogy

user15026

That's a good list

Ampt

welp, I broke markdown

user15026

I think it's the multiline that breaks it

Ampt

probably

got it

user15026

Ah, there you go :)

Ampt

3:48 AM

10 edits later... lol

user15026

Hey, teh important thing is you got there :)

user15026

I should really read the Martian after I finish my re-read of Mercedes Lackey's Dragon Jouster books

user15026

because everyone makes it sound good

Ampt

it's really good

user15026

I just....I don't see how it could end, based on the premise

Ampt

3:49 AM

?? like what do you mean

user15026

Like the only way I can see it ending is that he dies

Ampt

ahhhh

that's the rub, isn't it?

user15026

I see no other win condition based on the Goodreads synopsis

user15026

and I don't know if I can handle reading the WHOLE THING if he dies

Ampt

you're going to love it then

well

user15026

3:51 AM

like I want to think he doesn't

Ampt

maybe not

user15026

but I just can't see how it would even work

Ampt

well, how he attempts to survive is the content of the entire book

seriously

go read it

before someone spoils it for you

if they do, stab them in the eye with a needle

user15026

It's kinda like playing Lifeline because like....I don't see how I can save this guy either

user15026

(although apparently dying is totally an end condition in that game)

Ampt

4:09 AM

@AshleyNunn just read it already. like go out right now, and buy it, and read it

you won't sleep because you'll have it glued to your hands

user15026

It's actually on my ereader righ tnow

user15026

but I am just halfway through a series of 4 fantasy novels I have to finish first

Jimmy Hoffa

12:33 PM

Happy Coffee Day

Duga

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Thomas Owens

True or False: Assuming that no one is making modifications (deletes, reads, writes) and the order of files don't matter, if I have a java.io.File object and I call listFiles() on it, every single time I should get the same list of files. It doesn't matter if I call it on a local directory or network share (NFS mount or SAMBA).

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens the order may be different, and there can definitely be failure scenarios: Network goes down etc. But if no one adds or removes files from a directory, then ... the files in that directory won't change. You could rely on that for your happy path but truthfully I would never rely on the idea of a file structure remaining unmodified by outside actors.

You should at least have a guarantee in there that double checks and monitors for occurrence of changes to throw it into a failure scenario if such occurs

Thomas Owens

I'm running some test cases now.

I'm taking the same directory over SAMBA and I'm legit missing files. Sometimes, I call listfiles() and I just don't get every file

Jimmy Hoffa

12:50 PM

who knows, it's Java, it's probably just making shit up wishing you'd leave it alone

Thomas Owens

I'm still running the test cases to find out what the final deal is. I do know that SAMBA is misconfigured here. It makes reads and writes extra slow.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens maybe you shouldn't use SAMBA?

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa No choice, really. That's how this remote directory is made available to me. By the same people who couldn't configure SAMBA properly, apparently.

I'm just trying to see if I did something wrong in my code or if they just screwed up hard.

Jimmy Hoffa

people need to use better technology... everywhere you look, people using crapped of things where we have well known quality solutions.

@ThomasOwens it's Java, you did something wrong. No really, I would double and triple check your code for any possibility that your files list variable you're looking at which listFiles() is assigned into is being reused or accessed by multiple threads. Ensure you declare a new variable for listFiles() to assign into every time - and ensure it's local scope. That's what "this list keeps changing" smells like

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa By "every time", I mean every time I run an algorithm.

I have a series of steps that process directories and their files recursively.

Jimmy Hoffa

12:56 PM

@ThomasOwens every single time you call listFiles() - it should assign into a new local variable. Then you can check the list right after it's assigned each time for inconsistencies

Thomas Owens

When I reach the end, I've processed different files every time. Sometimes, I get all of them. Othertimes, I don't.

@JimmyHoffa In each execution of the algorithm, it's only called once on each directory.

Which is the test that I'm running now. I'm running each algorithm 10 times and capturing the list produced.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens is it assigned into a new local variable each time? Or a local variable previously declared?

Thomas Owens

A new one each time.

Jimmy Hoffa

and sometimes for the same directory it get's a different list vs. previous runs?

Thomas Owens

That's what I've noticed in live deployments of the application, yes.

Jimmy Hoffa

12:58 PM

@ThomasOwens do you log the list immediately after retrieving it, or is there any processing of the list before that?

Thomas Owens

I'm trying to reproduce that in test cases, though. I've removed the processing steps and focused on how I gather files from the disk.

I'm logging it after retrieving it. But I've made a new project to strip out all the processing and see more details about the disk IO operations.

Jimmy Hoffa

this is one of those rare cases where log4net saves my ass - I tend to log stuff like that as trace or debug, then in production I'd just flip the switch in the config file and see wth.

that all sounds a bit crazy. Perhaps the SAMBA is jacked or people are meddling with the files... One simple test case would be to take the same list and point it at a local folder and see if it's reproduced

Thomas Owens

No one has reproduced the issue locally. Only over SAMBA.

Which seems to indicate a screwed up SAMBA.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens sounds about right.

Thomas Owens

Hmm. So far, none of my test cases have indicated a problem. This is weird.

Jimmy Hoffa

1:05 PM

@ThomasOwens even pointing at Samba?

Thomas Owens

Although I think it only happens about 25% of the time.

And I haven't diffed all the results yet.

Although...maybe it's not a problem getting the file list, but a problem actually performing IO on the files themselves.

BAM! Found one.

It found 0 files.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens cache the results in a local queue, dequeue one then :do until queue empty, dequeue, compare to previous, throw away older of the two, go to do until queue empty.

@ThomasOwens do you have exception handling? Perhaps SAMBA's rate limiting you - occasionally a listFiles() is given an exception

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I've been using my reading algorithms (three different ones, useful in different directory structures based on depth and size). So far, one always found all the files. Another has failed once.

I wonder if I am being rate limited.

Because the single threaded one (which performs the fewest reads/time) had no issues. As soon as I went to different threading strategies to decompose the work, I started running into issues.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens SAMBA configuration options quick reference

Thomas Owens

Is there a way I can see how it's configured if I'm not an admin anywhere?

Jimmy Hoffa

1:14 PM

> Sets the number of seconds between checks when a client asks for notification of changes in a directory. Introduced in Samba 2.0 to limit the performance cost of the checks. Avoid lowering.

^-- could be? Perhaps.

enderland

1:53 PM

You know what would be nice? if whenever a question is closed at -3 or more it prevented users from getting rep from answers

Jimmy Hoffa

2:16 PM

@enderland it's like they say, it puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again.

enderland

Or maybe just removed rep after a month or so

so you don't have open/close rep wars :P

user41796

If I had to venture a guess, that's probably considered an annoyance and not a substantial issue for the rep system.

user41796

It eats at our sense of fair play - you shouldn't gain repz off of a crap question. But the counter point is the repz are supposed to represent that an answer was helpful. And it's certainly possible to have helpful answers to crap questions. The corollary being that those "helpful answers" make it more difficult to clean up the crap questions. And some of those votes come from snarky type answers mocking the question, which really aren't helpful.

enderland

yeah I don't expect this will ever work, probably invalidate 1/2 the rep on SO

user41796

And there's some sort of arcane rule about repz being taken away if a question is deleted. So that's the likely fallback answer for the truly crap questions

user41796

2:27 PM

I think it's something like if the score is >3 and the answer >6 months old at the time of deletion that it is allowed to stay. But I'm not positive on that. And there's detractors to that rule as well.

user41796

So I finally got amazon prime today as I needed to quickly buy some stuff I couldn't find locally and amazon could get it to me with prime shipping. So I'm going to spend the day listening to all of the Rush albums I haven't been listening to over the last decade. Given that noise levels at work have been increasing, I'm thinking this was a great purchase.

enderland

@GlenH7 what benefits did that give you? the 2-day shipping? or what?

or just the music streaming

user41796

Yeah, I'm hosting an event this weekend and needed a few things I couldn't find. So I'll have them by Thursday afternoon.

enderland

you could just have paid for the expedited shipping option once :P

user41796

The music streaming is icing on the cake at the moment, but may be what keeps me renewing it

user41796

2:34 PM

Free 30 day trial of Prime. :-P

enderland

oh. HAH

user41796

Free is cheaper than expedited shipping in my book

user41796

And I've been getting more and more annoyed at the comparatively low quality sound that pandora and spotify provide at their free levels

enderland

I do the paid version of spotify

user41796

Is their high quality stream noticeably better?

enderland

2:38 PM

I think so, but I'm connecting through a direct audio out on my ipod, through an amp, into nice headphones

The main thing I like it for is being able to cache music on my ipod

user41796

I'm listening on my nexus tablet, so it's just the headphone jack. I haven't looked into getting a direct audio out device for it yet.

enderland

Not all devices allow that too

user41796

I don't know if I can cache with Prime or not. I'll have to look into that. I'm guessing the answer is no since they wouldn't be able to authenticate me when my tablet is away from a wifi signal.

user41796

Looks like android 5+ supports DAC without rooting the device. That's good to know.

enderland

oh, neat!

I'm only on 4.4.4 I guess though

user41796

2:48 PM

One of the reasons I bought a nexus was to make sure I could get updates directly from the chocolate factory and not wait on an intermediary to update their kit too.

enderland

Yeah. That's the main disadvantage of Republic Wireless

Stagefright is making me consider just going with Google, they are offering a similarly cheap option now directly through Google

user41796

@enderland Have you seen this: fi.google.com/about

enderland

Yeah, the cheapest option is still almost 2x what we're paying with Republic (and already have the phones, too)

user41796

ah. I've been considering it. My main concern is availability when I travel. I don't travel often, but it's generally to places with poor reception. I currently have Verizon, who seems to do the best in areas like that.

user41796

Friends of mine with the other major carriers won't be able to get a signal whereas I'll be fine and can use my phone without worry.

user55340

2:55 PM

@GlenH7 the real advantage of prime starts showing up when you do regular orders. "Every two weeks send a box of a dozen instant coffee"

enderland

@MichaelT ugh kill me now, instant coffee? really?

user55340

@enderland it was an example.

user55340

The "ship it slow, give me $5" is also nice.

user41796

@MichaelT What's this? They'll discount for slower shipping?

enderland

You get an amazon credit

user41796

2:57 PM

That's cool.

user55340

>
About FREE No-Rush Shipping

Choose FREE No-Rush Shipping, and we’ll automatically apply a $5 Prime Pantry credit to your account once this order ships. You can use this credit by logging on to Amazon.com or browsing your Kindle device. Fill up your Prime Pantry box with items you want to purchase, and we’ll automatically apply the credit at checkout. Offer redemption requires customers to be in the U.S. and only one $5 No-Rush Prime Pantry credit can be used per Pantry order.

user41796

That's really cool. I haven't looked at the prime pantry yet. I could see that making me very lazy. :-)

user55340

That's a completely different part of Amazon though. Pantry items.

user41796

yeah, my ex had used that once. Picked up lemon flavored oreos. Those were tasty.

user41796

I don't think I'll use the kindle portion much. The nexus screen just isn't that good for extended reading.

user55340

3:05 PM

Check out streaming video. And the Amazon made shows.

user55340

Catastrophe for example. A "TV" show that is only available via Amazon.

user41796

I've been toying with getting a TV for the basement and then a chromecast to hook up to it. The video streaming could really come in handy at that point.

user41796

I need to see what options I have to tap into my HTPC with my tablet or phone and then stream that to the chromecast as well

enderland

> [redacted] is a Certified Woman Owned Information Technology Staffing Firm that provides recruitment and staffing needs to organizations

why does someone feel the need to clarify "Woman Owned" in their linked-in description

user41796

@enderland qualifies them for some contracts or gives them preferential treatment

user41796

3:17 PM

woman + minority owned can lead to a double bennie

enderland

@GlenH7 I love how it's ok to put that, but if I put "Certified Male Owned" people would probably complain

user55340

Washington (iirc) gives tax incentives to certain ownership structures.

user55340

The certified aspect is "not just a figurehead "

user41796

@enderland arguably, it's a reverse discrimination. But I have zero interest in pursuing that conversation at the moment. Too big, too broad, too much to draw in to do the conversation justice.

user55340

It is indeed a mess of policy.

user41796

3:20 PM

^^^ Best summary I could think of.

user55340

Stating that one follows a given social stance in the company may attract people who are more enthusiastic about it.

user55340

One could read "we are an ISO-9000 company" or "we are a 100% certified agile shop" instead.

enderland

Or decline linked-in recruiter requests, I guess :)

Ampt

3:34 PM

To buy packers tickets or not to buy packers tickets - that is the question

user41796

@Ampt You actually have the chance to do so?

Ampt

not season tickets - no. Just for one game

user41796

I'd do it.

user41796

I don't even like football, and I'd still do it.

Ampt

if I had a chance at season tickets I would be all over that like a fly on shit - those things are literally worth more than their weight in gold

user41796

3:35 PM

Just for the experience of being in the middle of one of their games.

Ampt

I've been - girlfriend hasn't. But I guess that answers the question

enderland

A true test of a Wisconsin relationship, is it meant to be

user41796

Yeah, I'd definitely do it assuming the price hasn't been scalped too badly

Ampt

oh it has

user41796

Oh. :-(

user41796

3:36 PM

Unreasonably badly? Or just reasonably badly?

Ampt

well... how many multipliers does it take to reach unreasonable?

user41796

For example, you go to a theme park and you know the prices will be outrageous. You just learn to get over it

enderland

... and bring your own food

Ampt

yeah it's definitely more than that lol

fuck it

user41796

Hmmm, that makes it a bit more difficult

Ampt

3:36 PM

she's never been

it's a bears game

user41796

might as well

user41796

OH! Yeah, gotta go to that one. That'll be huge

enderland

daaaaaaaa... packers

Ampt

yeah

She's gonna be upset because it's totally eating into her ring fund

but I kinda skimped last christmas

user41796

Pffft.

Ampt

3:38 PM

so now I gotta make up for it

user41796

Go to the game.

Ampt

well she threw out diamond stud earings too - and they're almost the same price

but at least I get to enjoy the packers game, right?

enderland

how committed is she to a diamond?

user41796

I'd go to the game first. You can always buy diamonds later

enderland

because... there are a lot cheaper alternatives which are visibly identical or better

Ampt

3:40 PM

dude, I've had that talk with her a million times

she doesn't care that they are artificially inflated

enderland

these are basically better than diamonds - moissanite.com - superior in appearance and the "diamond stats"

and imo better, slightly less hardness but a lot better toughness (most people damage their diamonds through chipping, not scratching)

Ampt

@GlenH7 yeah, I already placed the order

my wallet is over in the corner crying

user41796

Tell your wallet you'll be buying a few beers too and it can celebrate then

user41796

@Ampt - stubhub or something?

Ampt

@enderland this looks interesting. I'll favorite it for later

@GlenH7 Ticketexchange

user41796

3:43 PM

ticketsexchange would make a better URL

Ampt

seatgeek.com/venues/lambeau-field/seating-chart/…

that's roughly the view

user41796

@enderland Thanks for this link. It'll be quite a while before I'm buying jewelry again, I'm sure. But definitely good to know. Maybe I'll get myself some awesome cuff links.

user41796

@Ampt damn that'll be awesome

Ampt

it damn well better be. The bears better not totally suck it up.

they will though. I just want an interesting game - that too much to ask for?

user41796

@enderland - have you purchased from moissanite? I started digging into the cuff link idea and now I'm intrigued

enderland

3:52 PM

@GlenH7 my wife's ring is a moissanite stone

Ampt

does she know?

enderland

yeah

though I'm about 100% sure if I showed it to other people, the only way they'd notice is if they looked at it with a microscope

Ampt

the thing is that she has a large perceived value in diamonds

I'm fairly certain she would think less of a larger ring, if it costed much less

enderland

why though? is it because the are sparkly? or an image thing? or a "that's how things have been done [because of absurd marketting issues]" ?

user41796

Cool. Looks like I'll have to buy loose stones and have a local jeweler make the links for me. Not a big deal though

Ampt

3:54 PM

because of absurd marketting issues

and her family will all ask "Is that a real diamond?!"

and if she knows, she'll say no

she's really bad at lying

enderland

I dislike diamonds because they are completely controlled by a cartel and basically the demand is entirely a result of intense marketting

@GlenH7 yeah, that'd probably be easy (there are a few other places online you can find them iirc)

Ampt

oh yeah

I know

I've tried explaining it

She understands but chooses not to care

trust me, it drives me nuts too

enderland

:)

Ampt

man these are so cheap.

enderland

Yeah, the price difference (especially at higher carats) is crazy

Keep in mind that they are basically flawless stones (I think the "Forever Brilliant" brand is the higher end, which basically avoids any imperfections) too, so the higher you get the bigger the price difference - I read somewhere that bigger ones (1.5c+) apparently look too gaudy because they are so high quality, but all diamonds in that price range have lots of imperfections

Ampt

4:00 PM

yeah. She was sending me 1-1.5C rings on tiffany in the 15k range (You know, just so she knows what I like, I don't have to spend that much.)

yeah, right :P

user41796

How about a hybrid approach and just don't tell her. Get the larger stone as moissanite and surround with a few diamonds. Then when she's asked if they are real diamonds, she can say "yes" without lying

Ampt

I think that's the plan.

enderland

we bought some loose ones and brought them, so we could compare

you might do that (we returned them)

when she sees them next to diamonds and doesn't see any difference she may change her perspective too

Ampt

lol. I love that you can just "Buy some loose ones." With diamonds that would be unheard of.

enderland

@Ampt bluenile.com/diamonds

which you should totally use, if you buy a diamond

user41796

4:03 PM

Oh, you can buy loose diamonds too. Just expensive is all

Ampt

yeah, for sure, that's what I meant

enderland

some places won't mount a stone you bring though, when we did this we brought the stones, and then they had to order it direct

Ampt

huh. who did you use for the ring creation?

enderland

a local place (probably with ridiculous margins on the cost of stones :P)

Ampt

@enderland I tried to talk her into a sapphire (they're her favorite stones) but she wouldn't even go for that

maybe I'll buy one of the loose stones to show her.

they need like a comparison box or something

enderland

4:07 PM

the forever brilliant are... totally indistinguishable from diamonds

Jimmy Hoffa

I don't understand the crazy amount people spend on rings.. I got my wife a ring and diamond I thought it looked nice, it seems most people don't think something looks nice without a price tag on it of 10+ grand, hell to that. I spent way the hell less and my wife get's compliments all the time because it and it's setting look nice.

Ampt

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here

Jimmy Hoffa

One of my cousin's father told her boyfriend if he was going to propose to her he better show that he had 15 grand in his bank account. And the mind boggling thing is he spent 3 years courting her and saving up to do just that like this is still the victorian era. Because Dowry's aren't disgusting at all..

Ampt

LOL. I would fail that so hard. Why would you keep 15k cash onhand... I got debts to pay and retirement accounts to invest in

whatsisname

what a tool

although

depends on how literally he mean bank account

if he just means 15k in assets to indicate the bf isn't a complete loser or incapable of managing his money, that's not totally unreasonable

enderland

4:14 PM

@Ampt we keep roughly 3-6 months worth of cash for unexpected things

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname right, on both sides I'm just dumbfounded that my cousin even went through with that. Way to go marrying some dipshit with no backbone and being in your 30's but still following the commands of your parents...

Ampt

@enderland See, she does that, but I'm 6 months ahead in all my payments that I can do that in - which I think counts. She's not as convinced

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname of course it's unreasonable - it's tantamount to selling your daughter. Fuck that and fuck him, and fuck them for agreeing to such an idea.

Ampt

Like my student loans - I could stop paying tomorrow and they wouldn't send me a bill until october of next year (or thereabouts)

user41796

@Ampt Easy enough to run a comparison. Figure out what you're saving in interest payments by being ahead of the payment schedule. Calculate what interest you may (or may not) have been making off the cash balance. Evaluate what other emergency funds you have. And assign subjective values to being ahead on payments vs. sense of security with account balances.

whatsisname

4:17 PM

@JimmyHoffa: was he expecting to get the 15k?

enderland

so @Ampt are you pre-paying interest then? or just making additional principle payments? it sounds like the former

Ampt

@enderland hmmmm.... Good question. I'm not sure on that one. All I know is that I pay above and beyond what they ask, which moved my payment due date back.

I'm guessing I'm prepaying interest too then

whatsisname

what kind of loan lets you prepay interest

that doesn't make any sense

user41796

I'd ask and find out. You'd rather be paying down the principal. That will naturally decrease interest payments over the long term

Ampt

student looooans

they make no sense at all

enderland

4:18 PM

@whatsisname lots of them do, it's a bullshit technique since people fall for it and yet get ZERO benefit

user41796

@whatsisname student loans as they're currently handled don't make sense.

Ampt

like my parent plus loans are in my parents name... even though they were for my education. Oh, and there is literally 0 legal way to get them transferred to my name without killing off my parents

whatsisname

fair enough

sounds like a scam indeed

Ampt

all I know is that if I stop paying tomorrow, I'm safe on those for a while - which is peace of mind, and very valuable for me

Thomas Owens

GAH THE NEW GOOGLE LOGO MY EYES.

whatsisname

4:20 PM

if I have a 30 year mortgage, and pay it off in 10 years, like hell i'm going to pay 30 years worth of interest

Ampt

@whatsisname yeah, but if you pay extra on one month, that doesn't carry over to your next month, does it?

whatsisname

for any non-scam loan, anything you pay above your monthly payment goes 100% to your principle

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname does it matter? What right does he have to dictate his 30 year old daughters marriage choices? I can almost forgive him for being an old grumpy asshole from a bygone age, but the fact that they actually agreed to basically meet his demands to earn her freedom to do what she wants like a child earning a privilege is nonsense. As if the marriage of a women is a privilege owned by a man to give, next is he going to tell her if she can or can't have a kid? Not allowed to have pockets?

user41796

@Ampt I pay an additional amount every month on mortgage that goes against the principle only. Over the long run, I'll have a shorter loan length and will have paid much less interest.

whatsisname

then your remaining interest is charged based on your outstanding principle, every month

user41796

4:23 PM

You still have to pay your monthly bill, but it's whittling away at that mountain a little bit more quickly

whatsisname

I don't think it's unreasonable for a guy to not want his daughter to marry a loser

and it seems his 15k in the bank is short hand for not a loser

the real question is what he would have done had the guy not had the assets

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname I don't either, I think it's unreasonable to demand it, but even more unreasonable to accept arbitrary demands on your freedoms

@whatsisname the guy didn't, they saved for 3 years to get them

Ampt

it appears that the extra was, infact, going towards my principle

Jimmy Hoffa

/rant

Ampt

hmmm... it appears that they pay ahead my account, and I don't pay for interest on the extra, but they give me the chance to let it sit and accrue interest anyway, which is how they get you I suppose

Jimmy Hoffa

4:27 PM

new rant topic! @durron597 Apparently before 1970 a large portion of the congresses votes were done in secret ballot so special interests couldn't pay/penalize legislators based on their votes. Go!

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I derive probably a more-than-average amount of pleasure from driving, and do it a lot, so I think that my car payment is worth it. All but one day of the month, anyway. Hahaha

@JimmyHoffa oh, lets bring this back!

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt hah true, I'm with you there; having a nice car makes driving a lot sooo much better.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa the tech makes a world of difference - current car has adaptive cruise control. Literally all I have to do for the 2.5 hour insterstate drive each monday is keep the car between the lines. the jeep will brake and accelerate as necessary to keep me from crashing into the guy in front of me.

enderland

I will never have a car payment again.....

whatsisname

can you jump in the backseat for a minute or two?

or wait you said you have to keep it straight

Jimmy Hoffa

4:30 PM

@Ampt I bought a BMW years ago because I drove a lot and for me it was unbelievably quiet from the insulation and general construction which was awesome, throw in seat warmers, soft comfortable leather seats et al... being on the road for a couple hours a day was much nicer in that than this old beater I drive now

whatsisname

my wife wants me to get a new car but I don't want to cough up all that money

Ampt

@whatsisname If I get one of those car locks and put it juuuuust right on a long straight part of the road, probably, yeah.

enderland

@whatsisname they have lane assist, too

whatsisname

yeah but his jeep doesn't necessarily have it

Ampt

@enderland mine does not - newer model does. C'est la vie

Jimmy Hoffa

4:31 PM

@whatsisname it's fine, anyone can login to his jeep in the morning and assist his steering for him

whatsisname

lol

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa actually thats one of the few things they can't hack. No electronic steering!

they can, however, kill my brakes and redline my engine.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt so you're saying you do have a hackable jeep? Is that really wise to say in here?

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa BRING. IT. ON!

Jimmy Hoffa

haha

Ampt

4:33 PM

lol in reality they've patched the bug from the server side

Since it all goes through a central auth server to begin with

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt yeah, and we all know how secure and well applied patches are

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I FEEL SUPER SAFE!

THANKS FIAT CHRYSLER OF AMERICA!

but think of all the money I get when someone crashes my car and I sue FCA!

I can probably afford one of those real diamond rings! (Bringing it full circle folks)

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt good point! Can you unpatch it??

enderland

your GF will get a huge insurance settlement of your insurance money, when you're dead she'll be able to buy a huge ring!

4:37 PM

ugh their newest logo...so...ugh..

Ampt

that whole video was for a new typeface on their logo?

whatsisname

how much money do you think they spent to come up with that new wretched logo

Ampt

$XX,XXX,XXX

maybe even 9 figures. Think of all those user focus groups

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname they no longer traffic in petty concerns like money, they just titled someone overlord of something and moved on

Thomas Owens

gah why aren't my threads terminating?

bad threads.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:41 PM

anyway I need to go find my second cuppa and something to nibble before I can get back into the guts of the application I'm hacking at. Wrote the whole DAL with 6 sprocs and hooked up to a REST web service this morning to work with the structures I slung together yesterday. Now I need to start making the web client app I been working on send the data...

Ampt

@ThomasOwens kill the parents!

Thomas Owens

does that mean I'll have four batmans?

Jimmy Hoffa

dunna dunna dunna dunna...Bat threads?

Ampt

@ThomasOwens think of how great ~~gotham~~ your program will be!

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens you'll need a Jeeves thread if you want them to be even remotely useful

Thomas Owens

4:43 PM