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12:00 AM

Here is an interesting example. It has guitars that are distorted, and guitars that are not distorted. Technically, the growling puts it in metal category, even though I wouldn't classify it as a metal song. Ironically, it was featured in "Heavy Metal."

HEAVY METAL-Don Felder-All of You

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@Ixrec you'd probably enjoy European style power metal

@WorldEngineer got an example?

Great song, by the way. In the movie, it's being played while a couple of cartoon aliens snort huge lines of coke off a spaceship floor.

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@Ixrec Blind Guardian

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Dragon Force if you want something cheesier

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12:02 AM

for some definition of cheese

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the guitarist is pretty solid

BLIND GUARDIAN - Twilight of The Gods (OFFICIAL LYRIC VIDEO)

I was already listening to that exact video

@WorldEngineer They're a bit reminiscent of Queen.

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@RobertHarvey Queen did at least one metal song

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12:04 AM

"Stone Cold Crazy"

They've got the showmanship down. I even hear a bit of Styx in there.

It's more melodic than death metal.

Good recording. You can actually hear everything.

@WorldEngineer you're right, I'm actually liking this

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I like symphonic metal best.

I think the "melodic" thing Robert pointed out is what's doing it for me

Yeah, I really like it.

12:07 AM

I tried googling symphonic earlier but I'm not sure I landed on a good example, what are you thinking of?

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I also like prog metal.

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Let me look.

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@Ixrec Therion, Nightwish, Within Temptation

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Therion is closer to death than the others

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Nightwish and Within Temptation are excellent examples

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12:08 AM

Nightwish's new album is so good.

Oh, this is interesting...

BATTLE BEAST - Touch In The Night (OFFICIAL LYRIC VIDEO)

> I think it's bad ass, like Iron Maiden and Cyndi Lauper got drunk and made a baby

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Nightwish's first singer has a very thick accent with operatic vocals

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For prog, I like Symphony X and Savatage

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I like Korpiklaani and Fintroll for just being plain fun

[starts writing down names]

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12:10 AM

I guess trans Siberian orchestra might also count in there somewhere.

Trans-siberian is theatrical hip rock.

already has too many tabs open

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Finntroll - En Mäktig Här (HQ Audio)

@RobertHarvey that sounds like total gibberish to me, lol

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the only metal band that I've ever heard Calypso from

12:11 AM

Trans-Siberian always reminds me of that Christmas lights video.

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be aware that they only sing in Swedish though

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Finntroll

2013 Amazing Christmas Lights synced to music Trans-Siberian Orchestra (Sarajevo 12/24)

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@RobertHarvey depends, some of their stuff falls into symphonic sometimes.

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Not metal, but Halestorm is just one of my favourite bands right now.

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12:13 AM

@RobertHarvey these guys remind me of someone

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...metal version of Cruxshadows?

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Oh, Sarajevo 12/24 is one of my favourite TSO tracks!

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Someday I'd like to see them live again, they do a good show.

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not metal but I've heard Muse does life changing shows

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I used to like Muse, but....not anymore. Too many bad memories.

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12:17 AM

Symphony X is decent live, as is Within Temptation

@Ixrec q13fox.com/2014/12/09/…

That will always be my favorite Trans-Siberian Orchestra song.

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I liked Wizards, but everyone uses it for everything so I just heard it too much.

@RobertHarvey That is nuts

The guy that did the original Christmas lights to that song did it on his own house, with about 10,000 individual bulbs. He had to stop because people were getting into traffic accidents.

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Holyhell - Armageddon

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12:23 AM

Although TSO redoes a lot of Savatage especially instrumental (which makes sense considering the history)

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Powerglove- Inspector Gadget

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Oh man Powerglove is fun live

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Children of Bodom- Party All The Time(Eddie Murphy Cover)

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I'm not normally a fan of Children of Bodom but they make this eddie murphy song decent

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1:07 AM

Blind Guardian - The Wizard (Uriah Heep)

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But then theres... well... for the California types...

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Blind Guardian - Surfing U.S.A (HQ Studio Version)

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Or the heavy metaling to the oldies...

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Blind Guardian - Barbara ann [HQ]

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(from my music library...

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1:10 AM

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I was introduced to Blind Guardian long ago when playing Angband... there was a gtky post on r.g.rougelike.angband about the music people list to while playing.

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Its a reoccurring thread there back in the day, and a reoccurring answer: Angband Music?

They show up sometime on my pandora alongside Dark Moor.

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1:41 AM

@Telastyn The wizard one? or the Surfing USA one?

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btw, speaking of angband, @psr Steam has a Rougelike game sale going on.

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(if you don't have it, Dungeons of Dredmor is $3.49 for the complete game and all DLC)

Blind guardian in general.

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2:59 AM

you could also try programmers.stackexchange.com — Transcendence 32 secs ago

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7:36 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it seems more appropriate for codereview.stackexchange.com or programmers.stackexchange.com — Peter Duniho 18 secs ago

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2:20 PM

@MichaelT FTL is more my thing but I own both

3:38 PM

Faster than light?

I need ideas for my blog. I think a writeup of that xml thing with @GlenH7 will be the first post, since there isn't a really good, comprehensive one out there. There will also be one about IoC, once i discover what all the fuss is about. I'm thinking about an entire series on code generating
scaffolding IDE's from XSD.

Can anyone think of anything else that might make a good blog topic, that isn't already done to death?

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4:08 PM

@RobertHarvey FTL is an excellent game. One of the early kickstarter great game successes.

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ftlgame.com

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Nerd³ Plays... FTL: Faster Than Light

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4:35 PM

Hi, does anybody know a good design pattern for some class (or several classes) that should return small data structure items? (Essentially hashes for Elasticsearch queries). In some sense it's a kind of Decorator (but decorator would output some visual data like html or pdf I think)

And: Yes, I would recommend FTL too. It's one of the best games I ever played.

Just wondering whether this question might be better asked in either cs.stackexchange.com or programmers.stackexchange.com — cup 55 secs ago

@cup Can I keep both or migrate to programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/c%2b%2b ? — Hongxu Chen just now

4:51 PM

@Duga doesn't look answerable here either, but I can't think of the right way to concisely explain that in a comment

Hi. I have a competitive programming question and don't know whether it is appropriate to ask here.

Qn: You have a graph with each weight having a cost and time value. (If it helps, it is a positive integer < 256) Determine the Minimum Spanning Tree with min(Total Cost * Total Time)

well, there's an obvious brute force solution, and that sounds like it'd be an NP-complete problem

does it ask for any specific time complexity?

I guess I'm saying that as-is that'd get closed as "unclear what you're asking"

@Ixrec It is from competitive programming afterall, so there is no time complexity, but it does say the number of vertices is about 200.

what does it mean to be "from competitive programming" exactly?

@Ixrec en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_programming For instance, Google Code Jam.

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5:02 PM

@Ixrec The simple answer is "if its too broad here, it will likely be closed as too broad on other sites unless the issue that the question was closed for (too many examples possible) is addressed."

@MichaelT Duh, that seems so obvious now. Thanks.

@MichaelT Anyway Thanks! Still need to understand the workings of SE.

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@S.Pek The key part is to write a question that specifically focuses on the problem you are facing and guides people to giving you the single, best answer.

@S.Pek I know what competitive programming is, I mean you make it sound like that has some effect on what a good/correct/useful answer would look like, but I'm not seeing what that would be; the brute force solution still exists

I think someone responded to the wrong conversation but I can't quite tell who

@thorstenmüller Factory, or Abstract Factory?

5:09 PM

@Ixrec Anyway I found the same question: cs.stackexchange.com/questions/4635/…

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(chat hint - paste the link to the question as its own message to onebox)

6:08 PM

@cup ^^^ see above. Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 58 secs ago

thorsten müller

@RobertHarvey yes, I guess those are the ones that come nearest. Though it's not really returning an object. Though maybe I should have a look at the design and change that. What it returns looks more like this: {bool: {must: {term: {brand: "converse"}}}.

Where 'brand' and 'converse' are the method params.

ResearchEnthusiast

Anyone here?

thorsten müller

Also there would be some 'compund' variations, e.g. the 'must' clause could get an array of terms. (So a bit similar to AbstractFactory). For now, since I don't need that many of them I wanted to have a single class with those methods. But maybe I change that and have one class per possible query. Then Factory and AbstractFactory would make perfect sense.

@ResearchEnthusiast Some of us are

thorsten müller

@ResearchEnthusiast typical slow Sunday evening/afternoon (depending on time zone)

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6:40 PM

The sooner we get around to blacklisting some tags, the better.

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Q: Should all programmers use a scripting language?

I hope this question isnt to broad but should all programmer learn a scripting language to use along side there core language in a large personal project ? Details: Details for the project are Games,Desktop application and system utilities. I really hope i don't get down voted i struggle in ask...

@MichaelT nooooooo I'm out of close votes =(

though that one should have been tagged scripting, so tag blacklisting probably wouldn't have prevented it

Stackoverflow needs a better way of explaining why it thinks "opinion polls" aren't a good fit. The conscious design choice by its proprietors are famous and familiar to people who knew it, but for the larger world (90% population?) they come to Stackoverflow as just one popular Q&A site, so they will not understand why they aren't allowed to ask any questions.

To some extent, (IIRC) the proprietors may have hinted that they might never be able to adequately explain why it is that - other than that the design is not for it - and in the end moderators will simply have to "groom" the site by ... mowing the lawn.

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6:55 PM

They're welcome to ask questions but SO/SE isn't a forum, it's a q&a site, so opinions and discussions don't work.

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It's not designed to support comments and things as any sort of permanent artifact.

Most people (the larger 90% non-current-users) consider opinions and discussions to be part of Q&A, because most Q&A sites (outside the SE family) are receptive to almost anything.

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That's not a problem of SE, that's people not willing to learn a new system

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Not all social media sites are the same - you don't post photos to twitter, you go to instigram or something focusing on photos. Not all Q&A sites are the same. That said, there's a fair bit of "derp, theres a textbox"

"People" are not required to learn. They come to whatever new system and expect this new system to meet their needs. If it doesn't, they leave. (Which I totally agree with.) I am pondering what else could SE do to make this more obvious to non-users.

"textbox" the new "botox"

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6:59 PM

New users, without much investment in the site, don't see any reason to learn how to use it. What is needed is more investment and the implied barriers to entry.

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"more investment and the implied barriers to entry." That has been taken up by the "non-competitor", Quora.

(Guess what, there's even more heavier moderation at Quora, because preventing ad hominem on a site at that scale becomes a helluva harder. It even eats into the finance of site moderation, as they have to hire people to do that.

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I don't think SE is suffering for users.

I'm basically a newbie compared to everyone else here, and all of the above are reasons why I wanted to get as involved as I currently am in this system

7:19 PM

Will one day typing "let us continue this discussion in chat" in comments will automatically create the chat room?

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That comment is auto created at a certain point, and with enough Rep, you can create a chat room at any point and link it in a comment using markdown like you do for any link

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@rwong are you familiar with convergence rates in series?

yo. Does anyone know of a website or report that lists the most in-demand web technologies?

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@MetaFight I know there's one that lists what major sites use

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> 3.) Three, you need barriers to participation. This is one of the things that killed Usenet. You have to have some cost to either join or participate, if not at the lowest level, then at higher levels. There needs to be some kind of segmentation of capabilities.

Now, the segmentation can be total -- you're in or you're out, as with the music group I just listed. Or it can be partial -- anyone can read Slashdot, anonymous cowards can post, non-anonymous cowards can post with a higher rating. But to moderate, you really have to have been around for a while.

7:24 PM

I've got a friend who wants to jump into the front-end web developer world. We're trying to figure out which initial set of technologies she should learn initially. We're obvious trying to maximize her market value.

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@MetaFight MEAN stack

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backbone

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YUI maybe

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Its part of the reason that P.SE has a "must register to ask questions" - its a minor barrier to entry, but its improved the quality of questions (it was scary before).

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@MichaelT I routinely squash unregistered crap

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7:26 PM

it's one of the first things I look for with new users making terrible answers

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@WorldEngineer Answers. Yep, and I'd contend we need "register to answer too"

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@MichaelT that makes more sense

@MichaelT is that a PSE-specific thing?

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@Ixrec SO and SU I think

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@Ixrec Some sites have it enabled.

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7:27 PM

probably SF

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Skeptics likely

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Math maybe

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I know photography doesn't, and they're regularly fighting it (unregistered users don't come back to fix things).

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I'd figure most sites where "Homework panic" is likely to show up

homework panic affects skeptics?

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7:29 PM

Skeptics has a very high threshold for quality of question and answers.

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I wish Gaming had it.

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Tufted ground squirrel

The tufted ground squirrel (Rheithrosciurus macrotis) is a species of rodent in the Sciuridae family. It is monotypic within the genus Rheithrosciurus. It is found only on the island of Borneo, in Indonesia, Brunei and Malaysia. The Rheithrosciurus is reported to have the largest tail to body size ratio with its tail being 30 percent larger than its body. Local stories report that Rheithrosciurus will sometimes attack larger animals, disemboweling them, which is how it gets its nickname of "Vampire Squirrel", but these claims remain unproven. == References... ==

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I was expecting that to be in Australia somewhere. Well... close enough.

@WorldEngineer Convergence rates? Could you please clarify? E.g. series, iterative algorithms etc?

(One or two weeks ago I asked a super-stupid question on Math.SE, which I regret and deleted. It was about some summation and product sequences.)

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@rwong basically you've got series that converge quickly, series that converge slowly and series that don't converge

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7:36 PM

calculus

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questions are like this

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they converge quickly to one or a few answers

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they converge slowly to many answers (borderlines of opinion based, sometimes a symptom of an unclear question)

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or they don't converge at all (polls and other primarily opinion based)

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Its like a mandlebrot equation!

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7:39 PM

The Mandelbrot Set - Numberphile

there are also many types of non-convergence, e.g. an unbound alternating series is a lot like a chameleon question

When a person has a question, initially it may be unclear whether the question is well-defined. Trying to find a well-defined meaning for that question (or to break down to multiple well-defined questions) is part of the person's effort to answer, or basically "to ask" the question.

Most of what we say are "opinion-based", or "too-broad", are questions that have multiple ambiguities, where the asker weren't aware of. If someone pointed out the ambiguities, the question itself may become invalid, necessitating its deletion from the system (and new questions being asked). Efforts spent trying to answer that vague question may be lost.

So, one approach SE can use is to "guide new users to ask well-defined questions", and part of that will indeed create an entry-barrier to new users (that is, some new users will be turned away).

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Read the linked question, @Alexei. Then, if you still have concerns, lay them out in a new question with less hyperbole. Many topics can be constructive, but it takes a skilled hand to prevent them from going off the rails; a significant portion of the expertise here is devoted to developing such skill and guiding askers away from the cliffs. — Shog9 ♦ Apr 21 at 18:34

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(and the applicable parts of:

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@enderland people aimlessly asking for help with problems which are too big to solve are a strain on any community, and it is important to keep those in check. That said, I'd be careful about qualifying whole groups as the the problem (aka help vampires) because it's polarizing, and therefore tends to escalate quickly. — Ana ♦ Apr 22 at 23:10

7:46 PM

@rwong Are you talking about PSE, SO or all of SE?

Okay I guess my question is: "Can SE invent a kind of mechanical mentor who can teach new-users to ask well-defined questions, without human input"

my fear there is that everyone with the brain cells to ask decent questions from the start would find it incredibly patronizing and time wasting, and the help vampires would just blindly click through anything we put in front of them

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A little (very) off-topic! I'm a computer scientist and this is my homepage: cs.tau.ac.il/~orzamir - I wanted to add the following easter-egg (click on the elevator at the bottom) cs.tau.ac.il/~orzamir/index_el.html and I'm not sure if it will make it look to unprofessional or anything like that? opinions? :P

@ResearchEnthusiast personally, it just confused me

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:(

7:50 PM

@Ixrec We need something that is more intelligent, like a CAPTCHA, but tests the well-definedness and mental clarity of the unknown person.

That would be convenient

@ResearchEnthusiast I have my speaker always turned off (unless I perceive a need to hear something, mostly a video), so I didn't know that your easter egg has sound ...

though evaluating the coherence of any piece of text programmatically seems impossible without the ability to reliably process the meaning of natural language sentences

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Heh - advertisement for Mathematica:

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7:54 PM

welp, it passes the "visual hook" test and the "clear value proposition" test

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@rwong oh, lol, yes its all about the sound :P

Made me giggle when I found it

Does any known public social sites implement "hell queue" ? similar to hellbanning, but it makes the post by new users visible to a small number of users, and then gradually broadening up visibility after it is upvoted. Quora already implements a "pay reputation to promote post" feature, where the reputation will be spent and gone.

(But for new users, obviously they can't spend reputation because they don't have any.)

doesn't SO triage sort of kind of qualify?

Well I guess Quora's implementation is just the opposite of gradual visibility.

My first attempt at the triage has my response "the correct answer, which is a one-liner, was in the first comment to the question".

I guess the issue is deeper than triage. There is even a debate of whether we want to let the asker know this answer, fearing positive-reinforcement of actions of low value to the community.

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8:10 PM

@rwong that's more or less equal to offering a bounty

my limited experience is that most crap questions seem to come from first-time askers who never come back; I've never really seen a "serial crap poster" on PSE after one of us threw him a bone in a comment

granted we've all heard of such people on the trilogy sites, but it's not clear that they're particularly common

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@Ixrec they happen now and then but they are rarer here than they used to be

@WorldEngineer You mean...the site's IMPROVING?

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most of our issues arise from people who spill over from SO or don't realize that we are part of the same network

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@Ixrec yes

8:12 PM

=D

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it's miles better than when I joined

@WorldEngineer Yeah I see far more of the dubious SO migrations

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@Ixrec it's more dubious SO crossposts

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people are like "I will post all the places to get all the answers"

crossposts/migrations/ban avoiders/etc

whatever the umbrella term is

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8:13 PM

not realizing that often it's the same people

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@Ixrec crap

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usually

lol

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help vampires

Possibly because of the tons of work done by StackExchange, Inc.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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8:14 PM

@rwong and any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from technology

any sufficiently advanced social engineering is indistinguishable from a hyperactive moderator

Agreed

I am more than social engineering though, I am genetic engineering too .... ;-)

any sufficiently advanced .... is indistinguishable from a legitimate debate

Sorry, was this a serious discussion?

any sufficiently clever metaphor is indistinguishable from a straw man

it might have been

but this is chat

8:17 PM

Well, then, monkey business will be moved elsewhere.

to sub-chat?

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@rolfl This is facedesk

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totally on-topic for the room

Well, as a monkey I am always pants-optional - I figure I fit in here by definition

random serious comment: since we brought up newbies' opinions of the SE model earlier, I always loved the idea that we all become "mini-mods" after earning a few hundred upvotes

8:21 PM

Okay. The reason I mentioned the "tons of work by SE, Inc." is because I think the perceived "improvement" (less unwanted behavior) may be bartly attributeable to the improvements in the automated and semi-automated systems in place; and that ehse improvements are the results of lengthy brainstorming, deliberations and etc., from both the meta.SE and the workings of SE.Inc

When discussing the SE model, it would be useful to note the similarities with and differences to gamification.

But seriously, I was just watching the Whiteboard comments scroll past, but I can offer a partially inside opinion on that statement about the improvements.

The changes that SE makes to the automated systems are almost all related to operational efficiency.

If something starts taking an unreasonable amount of time, they automate a bunch of it.

They have priorities though.....

if it takes an SE employee's time, they will fix it "real fast", often (although they took a while to fix team@ ...).

if it takes a moderators time, the will fix it "reasonably" fast.

if it takes community time, they will get to it when dealing with the meta.* questions and complaints takes more time than fixing the actual problem.

I know they have automated a number of systems just so that things that were managable a few years back, are possible with the scale the sites currently have.

A lot of fixes for the profiles, recently, for example, are in part technical, but are also part of a process of making all the sites have more similar behaviour, so that managing 130+ sites is as easy as managing 5 sites was 5 years ago.

no idea if you can answer this, but: do you know if SE feels that only SO needs additional new features for enforcing/moderating content quality, and all the smaller sites can basically take care of themselves through the usual meta/Area51 processes at this point?

Funnily enough, there's a numbers game going on that puts Stack Overflow at a disadvantage.

There are > 400 moderators on the various stacks.

< 20 are from Stack Overflow.

that makes a lot of voices and complaints that the SE folk get from their moderators about moderation tools, that can, often, completely win out on some things.

On other things, though, the SO mods win hands down.

Flag processing is heavily tuned for SO moderation.

While mods on most sites will see 2 or three flags a day, the SO mods will see 2 or three hundred.

Ways of automating that, or shifting the responsibility of handling that, is important on SO.

8:40 PM

hard to argue there, the only time I use flags is when I've run out of close votes and I see something really bad

Bill the lizard is 'resigning', and it is now documented that, in 6 years, he processed more than 500,000 flags.

I have to admit the dedication of SO mods is a little bit terrifying

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80,000 flags a year

I'm not sure if I'd ever want to be a "full diamond" mod on any SE site

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@Ixrec you get yelled at

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8:48 PM

a fair chunk of the time

exactly!

A lot

I like my 25 close votes

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you get blamed for stuff that you had nothing to do with/no control over

no one yells at me for being one of five close voters

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8:48 PM

all the time

Or my favourite.....

you have to spend an hour writing a comprehensive answer to a meta question that someone took 2 minutes to write, complaining about a stuipid thing they did in 2 secondsa.

on the plus side, then you can link to that meta post in a comment the next five hundred times you see people doing that stupid thing

or does that make them yell at you more?

An example where there is a question that is (1) advanced, about a lesser-known thing of the TIFF image file format, (2) noob, for anyone who *already* know the TIFF image file format, and (3) anywhere in between
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29882783/reading-a-tiff-image-with-c

Sometimes there can be a situation where the new user is truly sincere (and did everything possible to clarify and diagnose and lookup the information), but the resulting question is still a one-liner (say, could have pointed to a standards reference site, and paste a diagram directly screenshotted from the spec).

is that a bad thing?

seems like a useful Q&A

9:22 PM

cv-plz: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/280248/…

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10:10 PM

Welcome to the whiteboard @ElaGorilaki

Hallo !!!!

@MichaelT Hallo :)

if you are not a bot, of course :P

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I'm not a bot.

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Our only resident bot is @Duga

first time on programmers chat

haven 't met him yet

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He monitors Stack Overflow comments for messages mentioning Programmers.SE - they're often... well... poor suggestions.

10:14 PM

hahaha

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Anyways... the weekend here tends to be a bit on the slow side. Most of us have this as a window up while at work.

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You can see that reflected in the room activity ( chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/21/the-whiteboard )

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i am familiar with these facts, i used to chat on stackoverflow, but too much questions there and I start getting a headache

in whcih position do you work?

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I'm a java developer for state government.

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10:17 PM

I am the resident weekend mod

@MichaelT good

@WorldEngineer even better

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I show up during the week in the later parts of the day

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limited outside compute access at work

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I do retail logistics and customer facing support at the moment

:)

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10:20 PM

Someday I will have a dev job

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But yea... we don't get the questions that SO does... Very different site.

i love it.....

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well we do but they...don't tend to last long

it has more general concepts.

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@ElaGorilaki smaller, saner, more experienced user base.

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10:21 PM

well smaller and more experienced at any rate.

@WorldEngineer it's like comparing apples with oranges. SO users want just to solve their problem fast... here the questions reveal pure interest.. at least that's my feeling

@WorldEngineer I second that, someday we will have a dev job <3

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@ElaGorilaki except @AshleyNunn. She will be the God-Empress of serverland

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11:13 PM

@WorldEngineer Damn straight I will

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