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enderland
enderland
12:04 AM
I can't believe the number of people who screenshot their code
I don't get it
 
whatsisname
whatsisname
people do weird things in general
 
user114359
 
user114359
Don't ask me how I know about this
 
user55340
12:33 AM
@JimmyHoffa and @GlenH7 something that I stumbled across from Cooking.SE: fondues.net/release/bacchus_e.html
 
user55340
(or if you can read French...)
 
user55340
Fondue au vin rouge
La fondue au vin rouge ou fondue Bacchus est l'héritière d'une fondue déjà connue en France au XVIIIe siècle. Elle se prépare à base de vin rouge aromatisé et épicé et elle s'accompagne d'une sauce colorée au vin et montée comme une mayonnaise. == OrigineModifier == Vincent La Chapelle, chef de cuisine du prince d'Orange, a été le premier auteur à parler de fondüe en 1742. Il proposait une fondue où se mêlaient fromage, truffes et jus d'orange et une autre au champagne. La fondue au vin est un compromis entre la chinoise, où la viande est saisie dans un bouillon, et la bourguignonne où elle est...
 
user55340
Fondue vigneronne
La fondue vigneronne est une fondue où viande, fruits de mer et légumes sont trempés dans du vin blanc bouillant pour y être cuits avant d'être dégustés. == Ingrédients == Outre le vin blanc, ce mets nécessite bouillon de volaille et des épices (cannelle, graines de coriandre, piments oiseaux, sel de céleri et d'ail, poivre blanc et noir),. À la viande rouge peuvent être adjoints des fruits de mer et des légumes (carotte, poireau, céleri, oignon), ainsi que des jaunes d'œuf et du persil pour clôturer ce mets. == Préparation == Les épices sont placées dans un sachet de gaze fermé et plongées dans...
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
12:46 AM
> The fondue red wine or fondue Bacchus is heir to a known cast in France in xviii th century. She is preparing for basic red wine flavored and spicy and is accompanied by a sauce stained with wine and rise like a mayonnaise.
> Vincent La Chapelle, chef of the Prince of Orange, was the first author to mention melted in 1742. He proposed a fondue mingled cheese, truffles and orange juice and champagne another one. Fondue wine is a compromise between the Chinese, where meat is entered in a broth, and Burgundy, where it is fried in oil. From the standpoint of diet, it should be noted that the fortified wine is much more digestible than the oil.
 
user55340
 
user55340
Just look at that and think of the white wine in there, the broth that it will become, and cooking the tuna(?) and shrimp in that.
 
user114359
@MichaelT I would much rather cook with wine than drink it. I'll stick to whiskey for drinking. Pairs well with anything I eat.
 
user55340
@Snowman see, thats where you use the sauce: fondues.net/release/whisky_e.html
 
user55340
> 10 cl mayonnaise (1 small cup),
1 soup spoon Ketchup,
5 cl whisky (1.7 oz = 1 shot glass),
10 cl cream cheese,
White pepper.
In a bowl, mix the mayonnaise, the ketchup, the whisky, the cream cheese (to thicken the sauce) and some ground white pepper. Let rest in the fridge for at least one hour.
 
user55340
12:54 AM
You're supposed to dip the cooked meat in that afterwards.
 
user114359
What does "cl" mean? I'm not sure I want to try googling it, given it is two letters and the results will be closed as "too broad"
 
user55340
centiliter.
 
user55340
centiliter
Noun: centiliter ‎(plural centiliters)
  1. (US) Alternative spelling of centilitre
  2. centiliter c ‎(definite singular centiliteren, indefinite plural centiliter, definite plural centiliterne)
  3. centiliter m ‎(definite singular centiliteren, indefinite plural centiliter, definite plural centiliterne)
  4. centiliter m ‎(definite singular centiliteren, indefinite plural centiliter, definite plural centiliterane or centilitrane)
  5. centiliter c
 
user55340
Well, gee, thats helpful. Thanks wikidictionary.
 
user114359
@MichaelT hah, one of those metric measurements that I have only ever seen on a science test.
 
user55340
12:56 AM
Its about 1/3 of an ounce.
 
user114359
@MichaelT fl oz
 
user55340
Given that we're talking volume, yep, of course.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Snowman why would I want a guy who married the bearded lady? Can I sell you? What's the going rate for C++ coders with bearded hanger-ons ?
 
user114359
Please don't be like my wife and say "but oz and fl oz are the same" me: "only for water." Her: "then how do I convert?" Me: "What is the density of what you are measuring?" Her: "I'll just call my dad and ask him."
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MichaelT I love this just based on the fact that in the small variety of fiction books I've enjoyed the past couple years, Bacchus has showed on multiple occasions and has surely become my favorite greek god
 
user114359
12:58 AM
@JimmyHoffa YOU'RE the one who brought it up! My wife definitely does not have a beard. I only do if it has been more than six hours since I last shaved.
 
user55340
@Snowman a pint is a pound.
 
Lightness Races in Orbit
Lightness Races in Orbit
@RobertHarvey markdownfail ;p
 
user114359
@MichaelT don't start with me... the caffeine:whiskey ratio is not good this weekday evening.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Snowman six hours? Yeesh, I wonder what my deal is; german genes? It takes me at least 2-3 days to pop scruff...
 
user55340
@Snowman and you've apparently been putting panties on goats.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
1:00 AM
@MichaelT wow, that is one cheap beer!
 
user114359
@JimmyHoffa I have some German in me, not much though.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Snowman anything over 0:0 is really a perfectly good ratio there, I mean, what do you qualify as good? I guess I'm just not that picky about such a ratio..
 
user114359
@JimmyHoffa that ratio sucks
 
user114359
both numbers too low :-(
 
user114359
@MichaelT I think I might try that recipe though. I've actually never done fondue but I hear it is good.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
1:02 AM
@Snowman ratios don't indicate volume, a 1:0 ratio or a 0:1 ratio could both mean your dead, a 1:1 ratio could mean you learned to fly but are swerving significantly
 
user55340
@Snowman I enjoy cheese fondue. I'm just thinking of how to do this one... and how feasible it is to scale down.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
I am currently enjoying a youngs
 
user114359
@MichaelT oh crap stupid metric system. I was thinking deci-liter not centi-liter
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
it was cold out- properly chilly for the first time this year, so I opted for a stout tonight.
 
user55340
You need to get some cents knocked into you with that conversion.
 
user114359
1:04 AM
@JimmyHoffa I've had that before, it's pretty tasty
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Snowman @MichaelT I'll admit I sincerely don't understand why in the metric system certain prefixes indicate less than by a factor of 10*n and others indicate more than by a factory of 10*n
Is it just rote memory, or is there a system that says centi<metric> is 100th of a <metric> rather than 100 of a <metric> ?
 
user114359
@MichaelT The origin of that link is actually the same Dave Barry book I linked previously about computers sucking at football. Apparently "goat dressing" was really big back in the 90s when he wrote that, and included it in his book. Being young at the time it blew my mind that people would actually do that.
 
user114359
That was one of the first "weird Internet things" I remember
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
I should perhaps include @GlenH7 in my mention of confusion; I would genuinely like to hear an explanation and a real engineer may well have one. Sounds like something that would be on his fancy shmancy licensing nonsense
 
user55340
Metric prefix
A metric prefix is a unit prefix that precedes a basic unit of measure to indicate a multiple or fraction of the unit. While all metric prefixes in common use today are decadic, historically there have been a number of binary metric prefixes as well. Each prefix has a unique symbol that is prepended to the unit symbol. The prefix kilo-, for example, may be added to gram to indicate multiplication by one thousand; one kilogram is equal to one thousand grams. The prefix milli-, likewise, may be added to metre to indicate division by one thousand; one millimetre is equal to one thousandth of a metre...
 
user114359
1:07 AM
@JimmyHoffa "centi" always means "hundredth" and "deci" always means "tenth"
 
user114359
I just got them confused because the metric system is so damn confusing. Sure, it is all factor of ten, but what is the prefix for 1/10,000th?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Snowman nano I believe
 
user55340
Quick rule of thumb: if its "something-i" or "something-o" prefix, its a 1/n.
 
user55340
deci, centi, mili, micro, nano
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MichaelT explain kilometer then
 
user55340
1:09 AM
Though that doesn't always apply with kilo and hecto.
 
user55340
pretend its kilameter instead.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MichaelT so what I'm hearing is "No, there's no system, learn latin or memorize it and STFU"
@MichaelT is n-a-<metric> the identifier for * instead of / ?
 
user55340
yep.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
so centameter is a thing?
decameter?
 
user55340
deca, ... we'll forget about hecto and kilo ... mega, giga, tera
 
user114359
1:10 AM
You know why metric sucks? Because if I need e.g. a third of something it's a repeating decimal. If I need a third of a TBsp? 1 tsp! ZING METRIC SYSTEM!
 
user55340
See, I like imperial units - they're powers of 2!
 
user114359
If you can't divide it by 2 or 5 it is time for weird fractions
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
is imperial actually a system? I always thought it was a bunch of shit that people made up for their individual purpose
 
user55340
Most of the multiples for imperial are 2, 4, or 8.
 
user55340
Pints to quarts? 2. Pints to gallons? 8.
 
user55340
1:13 AM
Ounce to pound? 16
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
I guess I should ask, is imperial as inclusive as metric? Metric handles 1d, 3d, and mass. Imperial handles 1d, but do our mass measurements (oz) and our 3d measurements (gallon) count as parts of the "imperial system" ?
 
user55340
Slug (mass)
The slug is a unit of mass associated with Imperial units and United States customary units. It is a mass that accelerates by 1 ft/s2 when a force of one pound (lbF) is exerted on it. One slug has a mass of 7001321740489999999♠32.174049 lbm or 7001145939030000000♠14.593903 kg based on standard gravity, the international foot, and the avoirdupois pound. At the surface of the Earth, an object with a mass of 1 slug exerts a force of approximately 7002143232736011388♠32.2 lbF or 7002143000000000000♠143 N. == HistoryEdit == The slug is part of a subset of units known as the gravitational FPS system...
 
user55340
It always annoys me when someone is asked "how much do you weigh" and you get answers back in kg.
 
enderland
enderland
@Snowman I started rocking a short beard because of this problem. I hated having to basically shave by the end of the day...
 
user55340
Remember that weight is a unit of force... so pound and newton. F = ma and all that, so when want mass, its F/a = m. Thats where you get the foot pound and such. Admittedly odd units for most things.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
1:18 AM
@MichaelT everytime I'm at the liquor store lately, I'm eyeing the chartreus- very nearly gave it a try last time I was there but got the bushmills instead. It's so damned expensive. It's all your fault, so do tell as I'm too curious, what is the flavor similar to again? As I recall you made tell of it being a particularly unique liqueur mired in it's historical recipe and creation
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa herbal.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MichaelT so is oz and lb a part of the "imperial system" ? What about gallon?
 
user55340
Galliano is a cousin of it.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MichaelT like anise or angostura?
never had galliano
 
user55340
Never had a Harvey Wall Banger?
 
enderland
enderland
1:19 AM
@JimmyHoffa metric is more or less designed based on some conversions there - ie 1 gram being defined as 1 ml etc
So it's far easier to "swap between" them
whereas imperial is a cluster of archaic definitions that require conversions up the wazoo
 
user55340
So, you see, Harvey was a surfer back in the day. A classic 50's surfer in LA. He would go out and surf, and go to the bar and have one of his favorite drinks - the screw driver.
 
user55340
One day, he did rather poorly at surfing, so when he went into the bar he wanted something with a bit more to it. And he scanned the wall and saw one bottle sticking up higher than the others and said "put some of that on it". So, the bartender poured some of it on the screwdriver and Harvey drank it.
 
user55340
He quite liked it and so ordered another, and another and another. When it was time to go, Harvey got up and walked into the wall.
 
enderland
enderland
I can only think of Robert Harvey when reading that. lol
 
user55340
He might have been a surfer in LA in the 50s...
 
user55340
1:28 AM
Oh, its the community fund raising season in the office. They're doing an in office mini golf course ($5/participant). The first year they were in the office building, they actually did an 18 hole course.
 
enderland
enderland
"community fund" ?
 
user55340
@enderland giving.wi.gov
 
enderland
enderland
Ah. We have United Way here
 
user55340
The top individual in the department is signed up for a 'pie in the face' slot... the top 3 people who raise money for that get a pie in the face.
 
user55340
@enderland This is an umbrella group... of which the United Way is one of them.
 
user114359
1:34 AM
I bought some Sargento Sriracha Cheese Sticks at Sam's Club. According to both Sargento and Sam's Club, this product does not exist. But it does, and it is delicious.
 
enderland
enderland
what if it doesn't exist because it's a massive coverup since it's actually deadly :p
 
user114359
@enderland I am still alive, and hoping that once this bag is done I can buy more
 
user114359
1:47 AM
For all of you pedants:
 
user114359
Interesting. I modified the terminology in my answer, but the point I made is identical. Weird how that happened... — Snowman 35 secs ago
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
2:49 AM
@MichaelT Nope; heard of it, don't know what it is
@enderland yeck, the mismanagement and corruption in the huge charity's like that, I'll never give a dime to them
Time and time again the charity's raking in millions and billions et al are shown to be putting that cash to use like a stock broker on saturday; hookers'n'blow. No charity that only pulls in a couple/few hundred K a year is tossing it out like that, they wouldn't be making salary for their employee(s) if they did
 
user55340
3:04 AM
@JimmyHoffa Its a screwdriver with Galliano floated on top of it.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MichaelT still don't know what Galliano is - "herbal" like tea? Angostura? Anise is what I think of when I think of "herbal" and liquor
ah ok, reading tells me it's spicier than anise with a bit of a cinnamon flavor
 
user114359
3:51 AM
@JimmyHoffa bfy.tw/2dRk
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
 
user114359
@JimmyHoffa meh, even clicking over to images was pretty lame
 
user114359
Except for this:
 
user114359
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
4:25 AM
@Snowman Yeah, my brain left about an hour ago.
 
 
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Ryan Chong
Ryan Chong
6:32 AM
hi everyone
 
 
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Ixrec
Ixrec
7:58 AM
Sun's FORTRAN manual used to include this sentence: "Consistently separating words by spaces became a general custom about the tenth century A.D., and lasted until about 1957, when FORTRAN abandoned the practice." — Blrfl Jun 14 '13 at 21:52
 
 
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Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
12:09 PM
This XML schema is more screwed up than I thought. Instead of doing something like <xs:element name="name" type="MyType"/>, they did <xs:element ref="refName"/> and then had <xs:element name="refName" type="xs:integer"> earlier. And it's only used in one place, so they aren't even getting good reuse. And half of the stuff is like that.
Fortunately, some tools (like the JAXB tools) are smarter than others and don't make me make an instance of MyType which is just a wrapper around an integer, but set refName to an int directly. Other tools, not so much.
 
 
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enderland
enderland
1:41 PM
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
2:17 PM
I went ahead and did it. I put my stuff on Github with a LICENSE file, MIT style.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
2:45 PM
@AaronHall you should have a look at the HTML5 Boilerplate - you're missing some of the IE necessities
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
Hey! You really looked at it!
Thanks!
Which in particular stick out to you - that I need?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
Note the http-equiv reference in there
and the utf8 reference
IE is picky as shit - you need to have those things - in precisely the right orders at the right places in the doc or else IE will just declare your page is non-standard and start fucking it right up
that boilerplate is actually none so good either because it's missing the conditional bits for older versions of things one second...
^-- that's what you want to look at and use in your document template portions
also you have to control the newlines and BOM in the output if you want IE to accept it as standards
(I think no-BOM for IE? I don't remember precisely. Look it up)
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
gotta source?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@AaronHall one second, lemme check my gulpfile because I made my gulp build strip the bom or add the bom for this reason
yeah strip the bom
and \r\n for newlines
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I'm not exactly a fan of accomodating Microsoft
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
2:53 PM
@AaronHall neither is anybody else, just saying if you want your tool there to provide people the facilities to possibly be compatible with IE, you'll strip the BOM, twist the newlines and add those two meta tags
Otherwise you may just want to add a note so people are aware that it's output isn't IE compatible on the github page
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
That is less than 2% of browsers, as I guesstimate it...
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I mean IE 8
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@AaronHall ah yeah, perhaps don't worry about those conditional tags, but the meta tags are still necessary for later IE versions as well as the BOM
just some thoughts
Otherwise cool lib; I like the idea
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
Yeah, run the main and check the output
Here's an example that got accidentally committed: github.com/aaronchall/HTML5.py/commit/…
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
3:02 PM
@AaronHall I liked the idea of pure but in use it turned out too fidgety for me, I went with this one instead
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
who said anything about pure (yahoo's stuff, right?)?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@AaronHall you're using it in your main there 
            # elems almost always comes first but I like title as first when possible.
            elems=[Keywords(['python', 'html', 'C++', 'C', 'assembly']),
                   Description('demo page'),
                   Author('Aaron Hall'),
                   Robots(),
                   Link(rel='stylesheet',
                        href='http://yui.yahooapis.com/pure/0.6.0/pure-min.css'),
                  ]),
@AaronHall just mentioning a lesser used CSS framework worth being aware of if you liked pure; I found pure had a lot more in it than I really needed and was harder to tweak to my taste, there was one called min which was actually too minimal and didn't have as many things as I wanted, base had the most clear and obvious responsive behaviours of all the ones I played with IMO
give it a look next time you're playing with a new page
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
3:29 PM
ok, I see
I haven't even begun considering CSS, this is a pure HTML lib.
oh yeah, I forgot about the Link
 
Ampt
Ampt
☑ Get Coffee on Coffee Day
3
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt your deception is clearly on the brink if it's grown so overwhelming you need checklists to keep your lies straight. You're going to be discovered any day now. Have you pondered how you will make your escape? Cubical immolation? Ventilation shaft? Window?
 
Ampt
Ampt
@JimmyHoffa I figured I would just kind of start slowly blending into the background
 
user55340
☑ Get scotch on Whiskey Day
3
 
Ampt
Ampt
maybe take over a cube and pretend to be on a project
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
3:38 PM
@Ampt you could get one of those full-coverage body suits in the pale blue corporate shade of the walls and use it to slip away unnoticed
 
Ampt
Ampt
@JimmyHoffa in reality, I'm actually doing fairly well. New project has yet to pick up enough mass to really be moving full speed, so there's still time for me to figure out what's going on.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
Yeah, I don't really want that on my screen either
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
thanks
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt Have you completed the CI suite?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I wonder if there's a CSS that looks like MS Word...
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
4:05 PM
Because that would be kinda freaky.
 
Ampt
Ampt
@JimmyHoffa CI suite?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
At what point should I consider my API locked in?
 
Ampt
Ampt
when people are using it
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt your roots are showing
 
user41796
@AaronHall once it's made public and someone else is using it
 
Ampt
Ampt
4:13 PM
@JimmyHoffa Continuous Integration Suite?
I never mentioned one, which is why I'm not sure what you're talking about :P
Unless CI suite is some old-style name for CMS
 
user41796
@Ampt apparently @JimmyHoffa's roots are showing... :-)
 
Ampt
Ampt
in which case, your old is showing :P
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
so I shouldn't post it on hacker news yet, I guess
Here's the pypi thingie Development Status :: 2 - Pre-Alpha
 
Ampt
Ampt
@AaronHall if you openly mark it as ALPHA and expect no one to be using it, yes, then you can post it
but the point of an API is that it rarely, if ever changes. and if it does, it doesn't break old functionality
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
Yeah, I don't expect it to really change much
 
Ampt
Ampt
4:15 PM
so long as you don't expect to remove a function, or change the output of a function ever, then it's ready
(even because of bugs, because once marketing starts relying on 2+2=5, you can't go back and fix it)
was that glen who had that problem?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I've marked it Pre-Alpha, I'm going to reserve the right to change the API any time I want. :)
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt if you haven't found the CI suite, you're closer to detection than you thought. Best to hide in an empty meeting room all day and hope you aren't found out until you find the CI suite
 
Ampt
Ampt
@AaronHall Then don't expect too many people to invest :P
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I'm going to fork it for version 3, which will be a breaking change.
 
Ampt
Ampt
guess who's never casting another vote
@AaronHall what is this API used for?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
4:19 PM
 
user41796
 
Ampt
Ampt
@AaronHall API?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
Look, it's a library. let me find the demo
 
Ampt
Ampt
@AaronHall that's completely different. you can version a library
API is usually something that you don't give the code out for, you just provide the endpoints and expect people to program off of that
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
 
Ampt
Ampt
4:21 PM
which is why not changing it is important, because people don't have a way to stick with the version they want
but you provide them the code right?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
Yeah, I'll definitely version the API
The lib is at version 0.1.0
 
Ampt
Ampt
ok, it's not really an API, and you're fine to do whatever you want
if people don't like the change, they don't get the newest lib
do whatever you want :D
 
Tehreem Fatima
Tehreem Fatima
hello ?
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
Yeah, but my functions and objects are an API too
People don't shouldn't worry about their internals either.
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
4:35 PM
Any DDD pros in here? I'm starting to work on a new project in C# and one of the most important entities in the domain is called Task. This is unfortunate because the .net framework also contains a Task class that I'll be need to use quite frequently. Has anyone encountered and solved this problem before?
 
Ampt
Ampt
@TehreemFatima hello. Welcome to the Whiteboard. You don't have to ask to ask a question, just ask.
@MetaFight [Toystory.jpg] Namespaces. Namespaces everywhere
 
Tehreem Fatima
Tehreem Fatima
I want to add some javascript function to automatically scroll down page on clicking a button "edit" ... how to do that ?
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
@Ampt yeah... that's going to be annoying because a lot of my classes will need to use both my domain entity namespace and the async Task namespace. I guess I'll have to either get used to using the Domain.Task prefix or async.Task alias prefix.
 
Ampt
Ampt
Unfortunately for everyone, we're not a code writing service, neither is progs.SE or StackOverflow. You should probably consult a good tutorial or enroll in a course about it.
@MetaFight not sure if C# supports aliasing or anything :(
 
Tehreem Fatima
Tehreem Fatima
:/ I haven't found anything on net , so I was asking, anyways !
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
4:38 PM
@Ampt it supports namespace aliasing, so it's not too bad.
 
Ampt
Ampt
You could probably import the task class as dTask or something
that wouldn't be that bad, just have to do it in every class
using dTask = PC.MyCompany.task;
something like that maybe?
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
yeah, I think I'll do that but with the async Task class instead. I'd like to leave my Domain classes un-fudged so that the ubiquitous language isn't compromised
 
Ampt
Ampt
good idea
name it tsak instead
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
lol
 
Ampt
Ampt
that should confuse everyone
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
4:40 PM
I've seen people do that.
deliberately misspell concepts to avoid name clashes. puke
 
Ampt
Ampt
then you took them out back and put them out of their misery right? That's the only ethical thing to do.
 
user41796
@MetaFight or drop a few characters off the end of the name
 
user41796
LinkedList => LinkedLis
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
:(((((((((
 
Ampt
Ampt
LnkdLst
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
4:43 PM
Llst
 
Ampt
Ampt
sorry, wait, that's consultant speak
 
user41796
Ran across that example in some code I saw online the other day. I gagged a little.
 
Ampt
Ampt
©LinkedList
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
for (var i = ll.n(); ll.ne(); i = ll.n()) { i.p(); }
never again
 
Ampt
Ampt
need to alias for and var
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
4:44 PM
D:
 
Ampt
Ampt
f (v i = ll.n(); ll.ne(); i = ll.n()) { i.p(); }
 
user41796
@Ampt sed s/©LinkedList/£inked£ist/ is what I think you meant
 
Ampt
Ampt
@GlenH7 Do I look like I can afford that?
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
I asked for help, not PTSD flashbacks.
 
user41796
@Ampt You're the consultant... :-P
 
Ampt
Ampt
4:45 PM
@GlenH7 well the client can always afford it, but I can't
haha
 
user41796
Damn straight
 
user41796
Ever run into one of those situations where you're dying to figure out how something actually compiled?
 
Ampt
Ampt
@GlenH7 it's a trick - the compiler was pointing at a different code base
 
user41796
We have a statement to the effect of using (Foo Bar = new Foo(...))
 
user41796
But we already have a static instance of Foo defined as Bar already
 
user41796
4:48 PM
and on my system, it throws the "A local variable named 'Bar' cannot be declared in this scope because it would give a different meaning to 'Bar' which is already used in 'parent or current' scope to denote something else"
 
Ampt
Ampt
@GlenH7 no you have a static Foo instance named bár
haven't you been paying attention?
 
enderland
enderland
ahhh 33 second dup close. woot
 
user41796
@Ampt Clearly not
 
enderland
enderland
day 2, no update yet. patience is hard
 
Ampt
Ampt
Wonder how many times bad management will be able to pass off blame to bad workflows and get away with it...\
this may blow your mind... but the next methodology will fail just as poorly as the current one!
 
user41796
5:00 PM
No! Say it ain't so
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
as long as methodology is used like buzzwords and marketed as the next big thing™ they will keep failing
 
Ampt
Ampt
@ratchetfreak missing the point :P
your management will be bad no matter what system they use to rain down their badness upon you
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
because management will keep falling for the next big thing™
 
enderland
enderland
but this time it will work!
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt it's an API, it's not a hosted API. Versioning is only relevant for things you're hosting
 
enderland
enderland
5:07 PM
we can magically make babies in 4.5 months by halving the time! It'll work, I swear!
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
if you redefine "baby" and redefine "quality of life" then you can accomplish anything!
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
an API where people can have multiple versions just by keeping track of an old dll and a new dll - versioning becomes moot. Label or branch or do whatever you do to maintain source lines available for version rebuilding but otherwise, it's not a thing when you release to others
@MetaFight you could create another class with a different name and inherit it from the domain Task then you can use the sub-class as a class-alias. Kludgey as hell but it would work
 
enderland
enderland
nothing like ovewriting your work because the VCS system won't work, and your manual "import/export" apparently exports all files in a system instaed of the project you select. Man this VCS is horrible
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
@JimmyHoffa it would work... but it means that the developers wouldn't actually be using the ubiquitous language in their code :|
@enderland is it CVS?
 
enderland
enderland
@MetaFight no its some hacky thing that is a complete piece of crap and embedded into the system I'm using
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
5:14 PM
ick
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
yeah, I'm excited for enderland!
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MetaFight I hear ya. I'd opt for namespace alias to be sure. How often do you write Task referring to the async task stuff anywhere? I guess in sigs where you have to return Task<bla> but otherwise it'as async and await all over and only when you want to parallelize with Task.WhenAll do you end up referencing the Task class
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
@JimmyHoffa that's exactly right. My interactions with the async Task type will likely be limited to the cases you mentioned. I think I'll take the hit and alias it. Aliasing the domain Task would probably be MUCH more annoying.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
sometimes it stinks to not use general names in your domain because you'll end up typing OblogonTask so often it'll feel like they're all just Tasks in your domains language, but in the case of words like Task or Object or Credentials or Client and the myriad other used-everywhere-over-and-over words, you're better off prefixing the domain onto the class name to avoid these things happening in the future
i.e. SqlClient or DbType or NtlmCredentials
whatever the name is of your domain, it would probably behoove you to prefix the Task noun in your domains language with the domain's name
but sounds like you're beyond that possibility at this point
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
so you're suggesting not using an alias at all? eg var task = new Domain.Task(); Task.Run(() => task.CpuIntensiveWork()); ?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
5:22 PM
@MetaFight no, I'm suggesting your domains Task object should have been named WhateverTheDomainIsTask
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
I haven't written any code yet, so I'm still open to all options.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MetaFight it sounds like your domain's already set though having a Task object in use and not easily renamable
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
well, I've named the bounding context "Tasking"... so a TaskingTask is not so great.
well, I couldn't find any synonyms for Task that I liked... but I could still change it.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
doesn't have to be a synonym; the domain is called Tasking ? eh, is there a parent domain perhaps? I'm not a huge fan of the name Tasking for a domain anywho. Typically domain's should be named with a (pro)noun
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
I'm just going to pick a strategy at random and see how annoying it is. I don't mind doing a mass rename later on if my chosen approach is bad.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
5:25 PM
it may be clear to the compiler - but the Task throughout may confuse devs reading in the future
I would name it TaskingTask if that's your domain. It's clear; it's a Task for the Tasking stuff
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
The goal of the application is to allow people to create generic Tasks they need help with. Other people can register themselves as available to help and get notified if a Task is available near them. I chose the bounding context name "Tasking" because I figured that would cover all the Task related commands... but I'm realising that my DDD-fu is pretty weak... so maybe I'm doing it wrong.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MetaFight I'm no DDD person; all the "driven design" stuff I've mostly avoided looking at because it's all buzzwordy formalisms for "normal decent design" to help when people are bad at designing
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
It's good to not be dogmatic about these things.
as I learned about TDD.
I'm using this project as an excuse to learn and apply CQRS+Event Sourcing. The videos I've watched on it have a heavy DDD lean.
I'm bound to screw something up so maybe I shouldn't worry too much about it yet. Fuck ups -> learning.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MetaFight perhaps Resourcing instead of Tasking and then you can have ResourceTask or you could try TaskInstance - or you could go with what you're doing. I'm just leery of type names like Task not having some specifier to identify it's not the typical one to future readers
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
Hrm, Resourcing could work. I'll mull it over.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
5:34 PM
@MetaFight you're off work and just messing around inbetween jobs aye? Fuck it do whatever. Start writing code, then refactor it 4 times, then delete all of that and start from scratch two more times. It doesn't matter if it's not for work/production
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
exactly :)
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
how about that python "os"...wow
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
yeah, I saw that. I'm kinda of glad nobody was too harsh on him.
it's a common misunderstanding.
at that level.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@MetaFight yeah, I was surprised honestly that nobody gave him the stink-eye
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
What, we're nice? Imagine that!
 
enderland
enderland
5:37 PM
you monsters
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
 
user41796
So I'm lucky enough to get to go to a development conference in a bit. I got a "special invite" to attend a close event hosted by a consulting / development firm. I'm trying to figure out if they're simply soliciting work; recruiting; or both.
 
user41796
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
5:54 PM
people who compete for the best talent?
 
user41796
Apparently. Must be a way of screening out old fogies who can't see the text
 
enderland
enderland
control a!
 
user41796
@enderland - I think you meant Ctrl-F4
 
user41796
I wonder if they do Agile, or if they are Agile.
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I like how their super-powered devs all have goatees.
And aren't afraid to correct their vision with glasses instead of contacts.
 
user41796
6:05 PM
I wonder how many years too old I am for them...
 
MetaFight
MetaFight
@GlenH7 ugh, the black text isn't exactly the most WTF element of that page.
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I think they're banking on our tendency to share stuff like that to laugh at with our friends.
 
user114359
@AaronHall LASIK > (glasses || contacts)
 
Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall
I have large pupils, I'm afraid I would have halos in low-light
 
user15026
@Snowman I don't have that option unfortunately :(
 
user41796
6:08 PM
LASIK no bueno if you have astigmatism as well
 
user15026
My eyes are too weirdly shaped and stuff, last I checked.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
my pops is working on going blind one eye surgery at a time; lasik creeps me out. I wear glasses and find no discomfit from it so meh... The only time it buggers me is when I want to lay on the couch to watch TV and I can't lay on my side
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa Simple solution - don't watch TV laying on your side....
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@GlenH7 ding ding ding.
 
Ampt
Ampt
@GlenH7 Doc, it hurts when I do this...
 
user41796
6:14 PM
> Why don't you go ahead and show me?
 
user114359
@GlenH7 I had a severe astigmatism and LASIK corrected it
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt keep doing it until it stops hurting, the pain is how you know you're growing stronger.
 
user41796
> Yes, yes. Very interesting. How about doing that again?
 
user114359
The surgeon's exact words were "your corneas are shaped like footballs"
 
user41796
@Snowman Hmmm, that's contrary to what my eye doc said. Said I wouldn't have the same level of visual acuity as I do now and I'd likely be unhappy with the results.
 
user114359
6:16 PM
@GlenH7 there are different types of LASIK surgery, some cannot correct astigmatism. Some can (the more expensive surgeries).
 
Ampt
Ampt
Hmm... I have astigmatism too. The only logical decision is that curly braces cause astigmatism
 
user41796
@Snowman I'm patient waiting on the implant approaches to continue to evolve
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt curly braces? What are those? Braces look curly to you? @GlenH7 do you have any idea what he's talking about?
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa Sorry. Was busy sipping on my scotch. What were we talking about?
 
user114359
@GlenH7 considering my vision is still pretty good except for the astigmatism that is creeping back I would tend to agree. That and I have a really annoying eye floater and the thought of having my eye drained and refilled to get rid of it creeps me out.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
6:18 PM
@GlenH7 it sounds to me like astigmatism causes braces to look strange
@Ampt that sounds like a personal problem, you may want to get that looked at
 
user41796
@Snowman apparently there are some docs who will use a laser or similar to break up the floaters into smaller bits that are more easily absorbed. Mine haven't been annoying enough to make me really want to consider that
 
enderland
enderland
I'm pretty seriously considering lasic
 
user114359
@enderland I'm happy with the results of my surgery. Definitely don't go cheap: there are several options, but eyesight is one of the things worth investing in.
 
enderland
enderland
@Snowman my vision is like -7 right now too
 
Ampt
Ampt
@JimmyHoffa .... it's worse than I thought!
 
user41796
6:29 PM
I love sites that have you select a password, obscure the text of the password, and then don't provide a confirmation box to verify you typed the password as you expected.
 
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