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12:05 AM
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Q: FAQ sidebar for pe rsite metas

MichaelTMeta.StackExchange has a nice side bar over when you are on the main 'questions' page. Its great. You can see there is a 'faq' section, its right there when you go to meta, and you can then go and dig into more faqs if you need to. Persite metas don't have this faq sidebar. A new user g...

 
user55340
I blame caching... its per not pe.
 
user55340
12:54 AM
btw, I used non-freehand salmon colored... just to see if anyone comments on it (besides @GlenH7)
 
user55340
Ohh! Neat. When you type a person's name you see the icon!
 
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user41796
@MichaelT pretty sure that's new. Very cool
 
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Now I'm seeing little @gnat s all over...
 
user41796
Swat 'em?
 
user55340
1:30 AM
Hmm... Its nice to see experts that I didn't expect to see...
 
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Glenn Randers-Pehrson, N 39.26.30 W 76.16.01 Edgewood, MD
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> Coauthor of PNG spec, developer/maintainer of libpng. Author of pngcrush. Retired, father of four, grandfather of ten.
 
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(one of those "I haven't seen that name" when I get a comment...)
 
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@MichaelT is right about 14 characters. That's the limit stated by Bourne in "The Unix System", 1982. — Glenn Randers-Pehrson 1 min ago
 
user55340
1:58 AM
Well, tomorrow is going to be another drive around day... probably heading back north to check out some spots I saw there before they go past peak fall colors.
 
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My car doesn't seem to mind it... driving on US highways and country roads mostly... 55mph. My car gets ~55-60mpg i that range (compared to upper 40s and low 50s for the 65mph for highways).
 
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Its even better than town driving (too many stops, starts, and changes in acceleration).
 
user55340
2:14 AM
 
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So yea... going back there to get photos before they're gone.
 
3:12 AM
@MichaelT that looks gorgeous!
 
3:23 AM
@MichaelT Holy cow... Do you have solar panels on the roof?
Does it look like this?
 
user55340
3:53 AM
@RobertHarvey honda insight 2010. going 55mph. It's engine runs near ideal at that speed. Combine with cvt for a tad bit more torque when going up hills and the electric assist. As I understand it, if you aren't changing rpm much, you can make very efficient engines.
 
If you can tune your engine to only run at a very specific RPM, you can achieve all sorts of efficiency. Problem starts when you want to do stuff like change speed
 
 
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10:38 AM
my new favourite fail:
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Q: What's your software development question? Be specific

Mouse.The.Lucky.DogAre there any books the equivalent of the Effective C++ series or the Effective Java book? book

 
 
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1:48 PM
@MichaelT I love it!
 
2:44 PM
I wonder if in the olden days when people had been writing hardcore assembly for years and started hearing all of this fortran this and fortran that, was the reason they thought fortran was nonsense because the people talking about fortran were as clearly confused with the concepts as modern JS/NoSQL folks always are? Perhaps half the problem with newer tech, is they're mostly used by inexperienced people which turns folks off the plausibly good tech
while experienced people were busy cranking stuff out and knowing what they're talking about for 15 years they've no reason to move to the newer stuff so the only people using the newer stuff are folks who, like this fellow here, seems to have gotten so confused by node.js that he thinks JavaScript itself is an asynchronous IO language
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Q: TypeScript with NodeJS or Go for easy development of a heavy I/O-bound application server

zahorakI'm working on a new web application, which would mostly forward and route traffic towards databases and other servers, who would than do the heavy lifting with logic, ... Initial idea was to implement it in TypeScript because of JavaScript's async I/O, TypeScripts static typing (the compiler ca...

 
 
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user55340
3:46 PM
Read a post somewhere out there that was "Calling a Database a NoSQL is like calling a car NoSedan"
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4:24 PM
prefix notation JavaScript for the fun: jisp.io
Is a fun thing to play with just generates normal javascript from a stupidly simple lisp that's very 1 to 1 with JavaScript, acting more like a sugar over JavaScript. Is fun if you already know JavaScript
 
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And and there's MySQL 5.7 - HTTP Plugin for MySQL -- so now MySQL can serve JSON via http requests intended to be coming from the client rather than going through php or some other layer.
 
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... now you can do your SQL injections directly!
 
@MichaelT no, it uses JSON, now they're NoSQL injections
 
psr
@MichaelT Though if you take that job you won't be using a "No PHP" language most of the time.
 
user55340
4:43 PM
shell> # curl -X DELETE -i --user basic_auth_user:basic_auth_passwd --url "http://127.0.0.1:8080/doc/db/another_table/"
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
...
{"info": "Table dropped"}
 
user55340
If that doesn't make you a little wary...
 
user41796
4:59 PM
> I'm going to migrate this question off PSE to MSDN because apparently I admitted to being in a satanic cult when I said the "Microsoft". Thanks for the reply. It has been noted. – hlyates 20 mins ago
 
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^^^ Guilty conscience?
 
user55340
@GlenH7 I'm going more with 'doesn't realize we say the same things about people asking for red hat support, mac os support, mathematic support, etc... and thinks we're picking on him/microsoft'
 
user41796
Quite likely. I just found it to be an overly defensive comment.
 
5:50 PM
Overly defensive comments are like the icing on the cake though
without them, how can you be sure you're doing your job properly
 
user41796
@Ampt True; it was a missed opportunity for snark
 
user55340
@GlenH7 @gnat that xkcd comic post has hit its 2 days... needs a total of 4 delete votes.
 
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(its also sitting at 4 reopen votes... though its gotten kicked out of the queue programmers.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/78208 - so unless we want to go through another open/close round...)
 
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Let's put some downvotes on it, that'll cut into the number of delete vote required
 
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@amon - sorry about the DV BTW. But the question needs to die. :-)
 
6:04 PM
@JimmyHoffa: I don't think it's so much an old tech/new tech dynamic
err I'll continue in a few minutes bbl
k back
I think the dynamic isn't so much old vs new but "harder" vs "easier"
there is somewhat a sense of superiority I think, from people that work real close to the metal
and it is a lot easier going from assembly to javascript than the other way around
so people that don't work beyond JS are viewed essentially as amatures
as a grouchy guy that works close to the metal and does high-level stuff, it's not so much node.js that makes me suspicious
but of developers that write these insanely complicated asynchronous, hard to maintain and understand programs
when ultimately node.js is a single thread and you're not really doing yourself any favors
 
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@whatsisname BUT LOOK! It's asynchronous! Can't you SEE THE POWER?!?! It's almost Science!
 
well asynchronous has its benefits
but many of the users of node.js would benefit from being forced to write some programs around select() or simialr
 
user55340
6:20 PM
@GlenH7 mine's already there... though 4 to 3 is quite a few more down votes than one typically sees... and 3 is the minimum.
 
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Never mind me, I'm just trying to make up for missed snark opportunities
 
lol
 
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MSE pimping:
 
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Q: FAQ sidebar for per site metas

MichaelTMeta.StackExchange has a nice side bar over when you are on the main page (the one you hit when you go to the 'meta' link, not the 'questions' tab). Its great. You can see there is a 'faq' section, its right there when you go to meta, and you can then go and dig into more faqs if you need...

 
cue xtranormal mongodb video here
 
user41796
6:21 PM
@whatsisname exactly
 
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7:22 PM
@whatsisname I'm just pondering based on my observation that javascript is a perfectly fine language, but a large portion of the people writing it tend to be far more frequently the amateur lower skill level folks... Maybe you pinned it, newer stuff is often easier, which is why they made it (why make new stuff that's harder than what you already have?) and so it attracts these developers a rung worse than who's there which feeds their get-off-my-lawn persona that had them telling people fortran
should piss right off
(right now? that was a bizarre statement)
 
I think "javascript is a perfectly fine language" is crazy talk
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa Was kind of wondering what you were getting at...
 
user15026
@JimmyHoffa I saw that in the chat sidebar without context, and I was a little lost.
 
@whatsisname :P
 
and web stuff isn't necessarily 'easier' than talking to the hardware
 
user41796
7:24 PM
@whatsisname Do keep in mind that he evangelizes Haskell. So you could argue he's a bit soft in the head. :-)
 
maintaining web configurations and moving databases around keeping sites live while updating is an enormous hassle
but the barrier to entry is a lot lower
you don't need an oscilloscope to debug your javascript programs
 
@whatsisname I'm just looking for an explanation of the get-off-my-lawn pattern: Person 1 learns thing and becomes good at it, person 2 10 years later learns new thing and person 1 sees person 2 doing a shitty job because they've no experience, person 1 now blames person 2's new thing for being shitty rather than person 2's lack of experience
 
yeah I can see that
 
user15026
@MetaFight ...that title.
 
7:55 PM
Hey, Phrancis here from Code Review. Have you all heard the news?
 
WWII is over?
 
in The 2nd Monitor, 36 mins ago, by Simon André Forsberg
Perhaps what is even more important is: We beat PCG!
Code Review graduated :D
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@Phrancis congrats! Always been a fan of CodeReview
 
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Q: Code Review Graduation

rolflI am pleased to announce that effective from September 22, Code Review Graduated! It has taken a bit of time for this announcement to filter through the red tape, so, today is the day we found out. Let's use this as a place to discuss, celebrate, and otherwise commiserate. Notes: Code Review i...

So, now I need to find a good beer to celebrate with, I figured I'd come here and ask the experts ;-)
 
user41796
@Phrancis I'm fond of Russian Imperial Stouts for occasions like these.
 
user41796
8:01 PM
But there's something to be said for a really good glass of scotch or whiskey too
 
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And this means we can make CR an official migration target. ;-)
 
@JimmyHoffa There are a couple of unanswered Haskell questions, if you're up for the challenge :)
 
@Phrancis Looks funny when that is pinned, looks like Programmers is the one that is graduating :)
 
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@SimonAndréForsberg And we have surprisingly few mods in the room to fix that. Normally every other line comes from someone blue.
 
lurks
 
user41796
8:05 PM
@enderland Go fix the "We Graduated" to "Code Review Graduated" please
 
:)
 
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gracias, senor
 
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And I think we could kill the entire afternoon picking good beers or other booze with which to celebrate
 
I'm home from work today anyways!
 
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user15026
8:07 PM
@GlenH7 Probably. :P
 
@GlenH7 good, finally I can star it :)
 
user41796
That's the best I could do with one-boxing. Had that one recently. Clocks in North of 11% abv. It's a barley wine and quite tasty IMO
 
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Oh and we are trying to make this post made by one of our mods a hot network question. If you can spare a few upvotes :)
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Q: Celebratory fireworks animation

200_successTo celebrate an important event, I hastily cobbled together an HTML canvas-based animation. A few concerns I have include: Performance: Does it run reasonably smoothly on most modern machines? How can I make it more efficient? Portability / Compatibility: Does it work correctly on all modern ...

 
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Is also quite tasty. Note that you pour it differently than a CO2 beer.
 
user41796
8:14 PM
@Phrancis To really crank it on to the hot network queue, you need a lot more answers
 
user41796
Get up to 10 answers on there to really rocket it to the top
 
I think you guys have different thresholds for that than other sites, too, if I remember right
 
That's gonna be tough. But we pretty regularly get on hot network questions with just an answer or two (which is really about as much as a question normally does)
 
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@enderland Oh, that's a good point. That's because CR is supposed to have multiple answers. Or was that for CW status (which is now dead)
 
I think the questino votes/views are probably same criteria?
 
8:16 PM
Someone wrote a FizzBuzz in and that got on hot network questions lol...
 
user41796
views are effectively worthless in the scoring
 
user15026
@GlenH7 i've had nitro stuff on tap, but never in a bottle like that.
 
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Q: Down with FizzBuzz... LOL

Mat's MugThis post is the result of reading through and following the LOLCODE Specification 1.2, and writing and executing my code on compileonline.com. My "hello world" was going to be a fizzbuzz. I like it because it nicely illustrates the basics of a language - variables, operators, looping, condition...

 
user41796
See here, but the relevant bit is AnswerCount * Qscore is used as one of the prime factors
 
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So even 2 or 3 more answers will really rocket the question up since it has +19 at the moment
 
user41796
8:20 PM
@AshleyNunn I have a bottle left and will try pouring it tonight as their video suggested. I didn't realize that it was different until hunting down that image.
 
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Quite tasty though
 
@Phrancis this is painful
 
No kidding.
 
@enderland O RLY? YA RLY LolCode R "painful" OIC BTW ;-)
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@amon I like Haskell, I've bit off maybe a sixth of the language and that's been more than enough to make me full for a long time. As much as I wish I could say I truly were a Haskeller, the honest fact is my skills in that arena are a shadow of the actual people who know it. It's been just enough to make me better at everything else I do...
 
8:25 PM
the top two pinned ones need to be in the other order
ha
 
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@enderland I thought pins were supposed to be ordered by count
 
@GlenH7 I think it still sorts pins based on recent starrings
so if someone new stars the CR graduated one it'll go to the top
 
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Or we could just get rid of amon's message and solve the problem.... :-)
 
YA RLY
 
@GlenH7 don't you dare to suggest deleting another of my posts ;-) (Well, gnat protected the Xkcd thingy, so the delete votes seem to have disappeared)
 
user41796
8:32 PM
@amon You could always claim "room owner abuse"
 
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@amon It re-opened, that's why the delete votes disappeared
 
I just realized the best idea ever. Most software interviews want to do fizzbuzz right? And normally say "whatever language you want" - why not memorize the LOLcode style to drop that out in an interview??????
 
if by most you mean a small segment of interviews
 
details, details
 
@JimmyHoffa Oh, I understand completely. I'm still digesting that small bite of monads I took ~2 year ago from Learn You A Haskell.
This seems to be the bane of awesome languages: Learning {Lisp, Smalltalk, Haskell, …} will make you a better programmer, but you don't actually want to suffer through the {Parentheses, Lack of operators, CS PhD, …}
 
8:41 PM
@amon half of it is when I talk to the people who really know this stuff, they make me feel like there's some entire world of stuff that I don't know just because they know wayyyy too much {CS PhD...} so I feel really unconfident in my skills on that regard. I don't get that feeling ever in talking to .NET or Java or other normal industry folk...
 
@Jimmy To a newbie, even “normal” communities can be intimidating. “Oh yeah, simply use the Bridge Pattern so that Dependency Injection can take care of Unit Testing the Lambda, but don't increase the Liskov Principle beyond 55% or your ASP7.HELL controller will flip-flop through the Assembler” (← random technobabble)
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Hey guys I'm thinking of doing a thesis on Dynamic Linking and the social, and ethical impacts along with the technological side of it.
 
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@whatsisname Well played
 
seems unwise to write a thesis on a subject you don't have at least a rudimentary understanding of
 
user41796
Ya think?
 
8:53 PM
Hey guys, I'm going to write a thesis on the social impacts of Volcanic Eruptions. So I was wondering if anyone could lead me in the right direction of building up my way to understand the full scope of where some volcanoes are and their history.
 
user41796
I think you missed the bit about building some toy volcanoes as part of your high school science fair projects. And I think I just proved Amon's point about communities seeming intimidating...
 
yeah
"My professor said he has been to a volcano and it sounded interesting"
 
course now you can just respond, LMGTFY
 
he does have a point, but I think if this was day 2 of stack exchange that question would still get punished
 
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@whatsisname Your comment on that DLL question is beautifully obscure. It makes sense if you understand both fields, but is incomprehensible otherwise.
 
8:57 PM
if someone can't understand that scenario they are hopeless
like owning a car but not knowing how to pump gas
 
psr
@whatsisname Can't decide if it's trolling.
 
@whatsisname I once bought a car, and went to get gas on my way home, only to realize after pulling up to the pump that I had no idea how to open the gas door. There was no lever, there was no pulling it open as it had some catch inside....somebody pulled up behind me with a similar car and I watched them push on the little gas tank door and it sprang open....was new to me. I felt unbelievably stupid.
 
lol
 
to be fair every car I'd had up to that point had a little lever next to the drivers seat that opened it
and I'd just spent like 3 hours filling out paper work, so I was mushy brained to begin with by then
 
yeah, and you would have probably figured it out after a few moments
rather than giving up and calling someone or something
 
9:09 PM
unlikely, if nobody pulled up with a similar car I suspect I would have just driven until it ran out of gas then called triple A and sworn up and down I didn't know my subscription was expired. True story. I'm really not as bright as people give me credit for.
 
lol
well, I know someone that's had her car for a long time and still doesn't know what to do, and has run out of gas multiple times as a result of it
She is completely hopeless in life and she's probably going to get someone killed before long
 
user15026
@whatsisname If you live near/work near fullserve stations, or in a place where that is all there is, you might not learn
 
user15026
If I recall right, aren't there states where you can't pump your own?
 
i suppose
 
psr
@AshleyNunn If the gas is opened from inside the car the driver still has to do it.
 
9:14 PM
okay I take back the comment for people in those states
but for people in MN, the insult applies
 
user15026
@psr Open it, or pump it?
 
Ok, so if I want to take a tomcat server and turn it into a tomcat web application, the stuff in server.xml would become a context, right?
I'm sure it's not a 1 to 1 mapping, but they should be analogous, only one is per tomcat server, and one is per tomcat web app if I'm understanding this correctly
 
psr
@AshleyNunn The driver has to open it so that the attendant can pump it.
 
user15026
@psr Ah, yeah, but they're still not pumping the gas.
 
@AshleyNunn first glance I read still not 'pumpkin gas' which sounds like a spectacular way to run cars. My kid made me watch nightmare before xmas 3 times this weekend....
 
user15026
9:19 PM
@JimmyHoffa Well, we have pumpkin everything else right now, so why not
 
Pumpkin Gas? Imagine all those high school girls who won't even.
 
Try it in a diesel engine, it would probably run.
 
There's not much a diesel engine won't run on
 
Not hopes or dreams :(
 
user15026
What about tears or sadness?
 
user41796
9:26 PM
@AshleyNunn With the right microbes that can be converted into diesel.
 
only tears of your enemies, crushed beneath your feet
haha
 
user15026
@GlenH7 Perfect, I will start saving mine up now
 
depends on the auto ignition temperature of your fuel
 
user15026
Well, this is all theoretical, as I lack a car
 
Would the salt from tears clog up the fuel lines you think?
 
user15026
9:33 PM
Good question.
 
not much energy in tears
 
@whatsisname that depends how you made the person cry....
 
9:48 PM
“Opinions on careers in mainframe systems?” - that title is the definition for off-topic.
 
@amon ....I just skimmed a code review Haskell post and didn't look particularly closely, went back just now to think about reading it in detail and answering, realized I wrote it almost 2 years ago....
 
Nice lol..
 
I blame insomnia. Woke up at 3:45 this morning and couldn't fall back asleep (until of course I'm driving into the office at 7:30, then it was everything I could do not to fall asleep of course O_O)
 
Well, I ended up answering my only CR question myself. Incidentally, it involved Monads, but I was trying to shove them into Java.
 
@amon that's always the problem with this stuff, as soon as you start carrying it into any non-fp language, short of the lipperts you'll find no one has any idea what the hell you're talking about
 
10:00 PM
very few developers really work on that sort of stuff in any detail
most people spend most of their time programming rules that dictate that form 102-A must be included with form 23 and schedule R when in AZ, NY, and FL
 
@whatsisname do not remind me of the mortgage origination software I used to work on, I will cut you
 
Well nice to hang out with you guys for a while, thanks again for the congratulations, we're all excited about this :D
 
your cutting must be accompanied by a form K-27D
 
And now it's TTQW!
(Time To Quit Work)
 
10:31 PM
@amon talking about CR.SE my own question just doesn't get any response :(
 
11:03 PM
@ratchetfreak What did your profiler say? Did it uncover any hot spots?
 
I'll admit I don't really use a profiler...
every time I try to set one up something comes up...
 

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