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12:34 AM

IIRC, Seven Lakes is between Kamloops and Glacier NP (Canada).

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google.com/maps/@50.7348983,-119.4322709,9z

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Fun data visualization - where people have moved in the US: nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/…

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@MichaelT Okay, that is amazing. I love stuff like that.

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@AshleyNunn amazon.com/The-Best-American-Infographics-2013/dp/0547973373/…

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Yearly collection

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12:43 AM

@WorldEngineer Oh my.

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@AshleyNunn NYT does a good job of it.

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Another fun one for Baseball: nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/23/upshot/…

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I'm on the Twins / Brewers border.

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That's neat. I'd love to see one for Canada. :) (Although I am close enough to Toronto that I know I would fall under that for just about everything).

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12:50 AM

@AshleyNunn Do they have other sports than Hockey?

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@MichaelT Toronto has a baseball team, I think we have some football somewhere? Maybe?

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@AshleyNunn And when you say "football", you don't mean that thing they did down in Brazil earlier?

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I know the baseball is decently popular because it is on when hockey isnt

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@MichaelT No, I mean the thing with the brown weird shaped ball.

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Mind you it might be Canadian football which is apparently not American football and is apparently inferior?

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12:55 AM

Hmm... they're still speculating... nationalfootballpost.com/Could-Tim-Tebow-end-up-in-the-CFL.html

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@MichaelT Huh. Weird. I didn't know that that was a thing, nor that there were rules around it.

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@AshleyNunn Since he... well... sucked so badly here and got dumped by multiple teams its a question of "will he head north of the border to improve his game or just sit around?"

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@MichaelT Ah, see, it's not a sport I follow at all, so I know the name in like the same way I know other players from my work stuff, but not really

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The thing is, he really sucked with passing... which is key in the CFL... so while he's not a good QB, he would really need to work on that there to be an adequate one.

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> Even if the two-time BCS national champion decides to play in the CFL, some believe he would not be a good fit. The inclement weather represents a challenge for the passer — as does the wide field. Twelve yards wider than the NFL’s, it places an emphasis on passing accuracy, which has been Tebow’s greatest flaw.

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1:00 AM

@MichaelT Ah, so he's not exactly good at anything useful.

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@AshleyNunn he was good at college football... that doesn't always translate to other places.

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@MichaelT Okay, kinda like being good in the OHL/CHL doesn't translate always to an amazing NHL career. That I understand :)

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I'm in Green Bay territory... and you can't not be a football follower here (at least be aware of it).

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That said, my favorite variation on football is Blood Bowl

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Blood Bowl

Blood Bowl is a Fantasy Football game created by Jervis Johnson for the British games company Games Workshop (but now under the aegis of their Specialist Games division) as a parody of American Football. The game was first released in 1987 and has been re-released in new editions since. Blood Bowl is set in an alternate version of the Warhammer Fantasy setting, populated by traditional fantasy elements such as human warriors, goblins, dwarves, elves, orcs and trolls. The most recent purchasable edition of the game contains a printed copy of Living Rulebook 1.0. However, the most up-to-date version...

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1:06 AM

@MichaelT Man, that would be fun to play, I think.

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@MichaelT Kinda like here and Leafs hockey :P

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@AshleyNunn There's a really faithful translation on Steam

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My preferred play style in Blood Bowl is a basher (preferred: chaos). Smash them hard enough to move players off the field and score a win... or if they're going to score points, just go for pure damage so the second half is easier... to bash weaker players.

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Blood Bowl II is coming out as a video game soon.

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Niiiice, I will have to check that out :)

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1:08 AM

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And then for a current edition game as a stream:

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@MichaelT I will have to check this out when I am not working late and watching dudes beat each other up :P

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This isn't dudes beating each other up? Well... actually, one of them in that video is a woman...

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@AshleyNunn It's Warhammer Football, so it's basically darkly funny MMA football

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1:13 AM

@MichaelT laughs I am stuck watching MMA tonight. So far it's all guys fighting, which really means they usually end up just flopped on the mat hugging each other very aggressively.

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@MichaelT I'm more excited for the Warmachine video game

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@Ampt Seen this?

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pygal.org

4:49 AM

notice how before the edit made in rev 2 spammy recommendation garbage like in this post would be a legitimate answer. Now it fortunately isn't, as it doesn't even attempt to answer your question. That was the point of the edit - to ensure that garbage won't legitimately leak in — gnat 40 secs ago

5:08 AM

probably the weirdest edit I've seen so far. HFU - How Friggin' Useful. Frankly, the question sort of begs for crap like that ("How long can you be out blah blah") but still...

8:15 AM

answers here are living proof why primarily opinion based questions are bad. Even top answer starts with "Although I'm still not overly familiar with the term..." gimme a break. Pity that my CV on it has expired

9:34 AM

good morning

I have a method naming question would that be on-topic on programmers SE?

Q: On the troubles of naming and terminology

12:37 PM

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Difficulty with naming has a bit of a history with programming. There are two hard problems in computer science: caching, naming, and off by one errors. It has been repeatedly revisited on meta and elsewhere (P.SE Aug 2012) Question about naming conventions "not constructive"? (P.SE Oct 2...

^^^ unlikely

1:02 PM

I see...ok then maybe it's something for chat?

chat is fine for a lot of things :)

@Christoph for chat here, it's 100% on-topic. Only beer, tequila and mod-abuse are more on-topic :)

@gnat I'm not sure if I understand your requirements for on-topicness

@Christoph in chat, requirements are about 100x times more relaxed compared to main site. Maybe even 1000x times...

Now that I'm thinking of it, the question seems quite silly.

I'm not sure if methods for selecting a peripheral slave chip should be named "select" and "deselect" or "assert" and "deassert", given that they a) don't just handle the chip's select input, but also configure the communication parameters on the master side and b) don't even have to do anything

@gnat sorry I didn't see the "more" in your sentence, now it makes sense.

1:50 PM

I don't like mob-voting but... cv-pls - programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/254297/… this is somewhat exceptional...

lack of research effort in this question feels pretty appalling. Not to mention rather blatant negligence to topics guidance provided in help center — gnat 1 min ago

Q: Add an audit log to record when particular question enters and leaves hot list

2:04 PM

it looks like a lot of what SE team tells us about hot questions is mere handwaving...

you make some interesting points that I didn't consider these when making this feature request, I even initially accepted because of that. However I recently learned that SE doesn't even keep simple log of what happens in the hot list. This makes it look like pure speculation doesn't it. I mean we can't tell if your reasoning is right or wrong because we simply have no data to help us decide. That's... sad. You are of course totally free to pick the reason to decline... — gnat 2 mins ago

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Hot Network Questions page displays a constantly changing list of 100 questions, since it deals with time since recent activity. But are changes in this list ever recorded anywhere for posterity (or data mining, or to use in studies like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc)? Can one, perhaps someone with suffi...

feature-request statistics hot-questions

We currently do not record anything about when a question enters/leaves the hot question list. The list is calculated on the fly each time (and heavily cached), so this will be a feature-request to add an audit log or something somewhere for that. — Kasra Rahjerdi ♦ yesterday

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4:47 PM

@gnat Two more VTDs and it's gone.

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@Christoph Naming anything with side effects is difficult. That said, I would look for conventions within the other chips you have been programming against / for. Convention trumps a lot of things in this case because of implied meaning it gives. If an "assert" in the chip world would also imply X and Y and Z, then you want to take advantage of that convention. And if there isn't a convention, then make sure the name sticks out from other similar functions so users know it is different.

A: Add an audit log to record when particular question enters and leaves hot list

logging what happens in the hot list? No-no-no, we don't need this...

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This still isn't going to give you what you want. I say that even as I realize I don't actually know what you want, because you didn't state it anywhere. Be specific! But right now, it doesn't really matter; as you note, its very usefulness became quite questionable after shuffling was intro...

...I also expect it to help us learn how much of an issue is getting inappropriate questions in the list and how often it happens that close votes of site regulars get wiped out by "popularity views". Etc. On a more general note, I am sort of appalled that stuff considered important enough to represent site main page doesn't even have a rudimentary log - and that request for such logging needs some additional justification. Correct me if I'm wrong but this sounds audit 101 to me — gnat 4 mins ago

...probably worth noting that request doesn't ask about anything massive. Just a table with two fields, one for question ID, another for timestamp (or three fields if you prefer to store changes - third field being boolean to denote whether question enters or leaves the list). 100 questions in the list - 36,500 rows in a year if logging is done once a day. Data like this can be stored and processed with Excel on an average home PC — gnat 47 secs ago

what are they afraid of?

5:17 PM

@GlenH7 looking for convetions got me into this naming dilemma in the first place. A chip select signal is asserted in order to select a chip for communicating with. Slaves use different bus settings, so the bus must be configured before a chip is selected. So when I pick assert() people might think the method doesn't do anything but assert the chip select line.

maybe it's not that but they just take each question with activity and "assign hotness" to it and then select top 100 orderby hotness

so there is no official list stored anywhere and you can have the 100th and 101th competing for a spot on the list that may change each second

7:19 PM

this seems to open with word-by-word copy taken from here: "A function is said to be referentially transparent if it, given the same input parameters, always produces the same output..." Stack Exchange has rules for plagiarism, are you aware about these? "Plagiarism is the soulless act of copying chunks of someone else's work, slapping your name on it and passing yourself of as the original author..." — gnat 3 mins ago

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8:21 PM

@Christoph Sounds like your verb is "Assert" and your noun is "Chip Select", so I would consider "AssertChipSelect()" as the method name. By combining the two, I think you safely advertise the side effects of what's going. It (should be) understood that a chip select may require configuration in order to pick that particular bus, especially with a multiplexed environment. And the Assert essentially says you're opening up a particular line.

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@gnat I voted to undelete the answer. It seems to be the best at directly answering the question that was asked.

@GlenH7 I frankly like it too. But I am not sure it's 100% ready to undelete. You can see it in comments, "...It also wouldn't hurt if besides giving general guidance, answer addresses concrete question asked about, in this case about f(x)+f(x) / 2*f(x), see How to Answer - otherwise it may look like you're simply advertising your page"

you see it's sort of Catch-22. Without referring original it looks like plagiarism. Now we add a reference to cover this but without addressing specific question it starts looking like advertising

Q: Alternatives to multiple inheritance for my architecture (NPCs in a Realtime Strategy game)?

@GlenH7 sounds reasonable, thanks!

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9:21 PM

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Ok, so people see that red and go... how bad is it?

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imgur.com/a/IgoUq

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2011

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9:22 PM

2014

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That is very different O.o

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Holy crap.

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9:26 PM

Alex M.

heya

I'm here about this question

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Coding isn't that hard actually. The hard part is to write code that makes sense, is readable and understandable. So I want to get a better developer and create some solid architecture. So I want to do create an architecture for NPCs in a video-game. It is a Realtime Strategy game like Starcraft...

c# architecture multiple-inheritance

it fits on both gd.se and programmers.se

but we kinda need more decent to great quality content on gd.se

so I was wondering if someone here could migrate it to us, if that's not a huge problem for the site

amon

9:41 PM

@AlexM. I don't think migrating questions like that would be a good idea. One, that question's problem is applicable to many problem domains and not just game development. Second, migrating questions from other sites doesn't actually help you that much – it's just one question, not long-term quality participation. I suggest you ask on meta.gd.se on how to increase quality content.

Alex M.

we've already been through that

our options are limited

ohwell, yes it's just one question

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9:56 PM

@AlexM. There's a principle of SE - be jealous of your 'own' site. Unless the question is truly off topic for the site it was posted on and good quality, people tend to be hesitant of migrating it to another site. Its on topic here.

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This gets even more tricky once it starts getting answers - especially when those are in the context of the site its posted on.

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The answers you have are ones that are with the context of P.SE - migrating it to another site with other expectations can make it... awkward.

the biggest pro and con of the SE network is the segregation of interests

pro because people can focus on what they want

con because stuff can bridge several sites

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10:13 PM

@amon - really? You've never been able to abstract out that sort of a thing in your apps? I'll edit and update my answer as your feedback is solid. But I'm a bit shocked to hear that "I'm a blessed developer" in that those sorts of things are easily accomplished.

amon

@GlenH7 The non-hyperbolic version of my comment would be: Your answer sounded very hand-wavey. I assume you were merely hinting at DI or IoC, but it ends up sounding like a program wiring itself, not like a sane architecture.

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Pffft to DI and IoC. :-)

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I do real work, not that stuff. :-)

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I'm editing to bring my answer down to earth.

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I'll counter with that you appear to be defending leaky abstractions

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10:20 PM

To be crude, the caller doesn't give a rat's patootie where the information comes from, so long as it gets there. Which is the promise behind encapsulation. "Don't look at my dirty innards! I'll still do as you ask."

amon

That were correct if the problem was to load any words. However, a function that is supposed to load this specific collection of words will need a function argument for this collection. Passing it through behind the scenes is obfuscation.

@amon don't underestimate the power of an abstraction layer