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2:04 AM

@JimmyHoffa falconpl.org/index.ftd?page_id=Home

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this looks like insanity

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it's a 6 paradigm language...

2:19 AM

@JimmyHoffa The data isn't normalized. For example, March questions that are eligible for auto-deletion hasn't been deleted yet (they get auto-deleted a month after they were asked). Furthermore, I haven't really cleaned up this month.... When looking at post stats, ignore the current month.

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@YannisRizos I did find Dead Space 1 to be a near point for point homage to System Shock 2

@WorldEngineer When DS1 first appeared there were rumours the game was little more than the (cancelled) SS3, with a new name since EA had lost the rights to SS.

user20683

@YannisRizos yeah

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at least it was good unlike some other sequelish things I've seen

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I'm still sore over Master of Orion 3

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2:31 AM

programmerryangosling.tumblr.com

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XD

Yeah MoO3 was unplayable. I still fire up MoO2 from time to time...

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@YannisRizos I managed to beat MoO3 a handful of times

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it had a ton of good ideas just insanely bad execution

3:59 AM

@MichaelT An implementation of StackSort

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5:16 AM

@WorldEngineer that is awesome, now I'm dying to violate his parser's safeties so stacksort pops an alert saying All your base are belong to us. Judicious use of base64 should work with false timestamp html in my answer.

Fake the timestamp by using stackoverflow's quoting ability with an old post

6:13 AM

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Q: What is the easiest way to delete global pipe on Windows 7?

My WCF application created global named pipe on Windows 7. Now I want to test how it will do it again, but I can't figure out the easy way to do it other that writing code in C#. What is the simplest way to delete named pipe?

^^^ Am I missing something here?

6:47 AM

@JimG. I think he is confusing Windows named pipes (volatile - automatically removed when no longer needed) with Unix named pipes (they have to be explicitly removed).

@gnat Seeing how many bounties you're putting up and the sheer indifference from the higher-ups, I think it's safe to say that we may need to take things into our own hands. 1) Get a gang of 3k users to close-vote everything stupid that tops the multicollider. 2) Offset the multicollider by manually redditing everything else that is good. (That is: Give even more attention to everything else that actually deserves it.) I don't like this latter method since it will lead to spamming. But it has proven effective in getting attention to those hidden jewels. — Mysticial 1 hour ago

guerilla!

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8:00 AM

@WorldEngineer I blame you for this.

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9:13 AM

Worst possible way (that's not spam or offensive) to introduce yourself to the site: Post a plagiarizing answer in a question asked by a mod.

thorsten müller

9:30 AM

Don't be too hard on him Yannis, in many other Q&As this copying Wiki articles would be just normal. It's quite astonishing how many people seem not to know Wiki (or Google) and are happy with such answers. So if you are new to a place like programmers you may feel tempted to just do for what in other places you got a lot og upvotes and thank yous from the OP. (and he won't know who's a mod here and who isn't anyway)

@thorstenmüller You're right, I'm ranting... I could argue that new users can't answer until they read the "how to answer" guidelines, the answer textarea is blocked until you indicate you've read the guidelines once, but... no one is actually reading them. I hope my comment there is a bit more helpful though.

First thing that came to mind was that the answer was spam. There's a link to a blog post at the end, and people copy pasting wikipedia (or other answers) to pass off spam as seemingly legit answers is - unfortunately - not uncommon.

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user55340

1:38 PM

@YannisRizos That is so beautifully wrong.

1:57 PM

@psr Would you call MUMPS "tabular programming" ?

@WorldEngineer @YannisRizos Did you read the about page for that Falcon PL? The guy sounds like a genuine lunatic, it's kind of hilarious

He sounds rational, just the way he wrote it all out heh

It's always cool when you stumble across these huge rather complete programming languages that were just one dude's project and have a full book written for them and everything, Ela's my favorite example, 60 page manual looks just like a professional book for a real language, comes with an IDE and is quite full featured but it's all just done by some dude

Though FalconPL looks even larger heh

falconpl.org/project_docs/core/core_VMSlot.html <-- this is actually pretty cool though to be sure

Can't say I'm aware of any other message passing scripting languages

user55340

I wonder how many upvotes on various javascript sort answers are forthcoming.

haha

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Well, the second sort answer...

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152

A: Infinite recursion in JavaScript quicksort?

I think that the issue here is that your partitioning step does not necessarily shrink the input array. For example, let's trace what happens if you try sorting [1, 2]. In this case, your pivot element will be the element 2. Since 1 > 2 is false, 1 is added to the list l. Since 2 > 2 is false...

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He maxed out his rep cap today.

2:12 PM

Now i want to find out the threading model built into FalconPL...

user55340

Yesterday, that question got 103 upvotes. Today it has received 44.

@MichaelT shit I just realized, even better than actually creating your own q/a to mess with stacksort, you could just go edit an already written answer

which would be horrible

and you'd get caught pretty fast

but it would get around all of the safe guards on that stacksort really quick

user55340

If you edit it, I think it will not count... it considers the update date.

Ah

then my first solution stands, quote a message with the date in it to confuse the parser into spotting your fake date if possible

@MichaelT if I were to ask right now how to implement a bubble sort in javascript, how many answers do you think I'd get? heh

user55340

It also only uses answers posted before the xkcd.

2:17 PM

that's why I'm saying to fake the date

Does it just parse the html for date or does it use some SO API?

2:48 PM

@WorldEngineer FalconPL is pretty cool, (I especially like the message passing stuff, but can't find any info on it's threading model...) but if you haven't checked it out, the esoteric multiparadigm language I've had my eye on is fantom.org I love that it has an immutable keyword, and you can create UI in it that it can cross compile to .NET win forms, java's swing?swt? whatever it's called, or even HTML/javascript

Also comes with it's own IDE

and it's actually got a whole team behind it so it's actually been moving pretty fast

Ever since a scripting language I learned as a teenager, := for assignment has left a bad taste in my mouth as just feeling very old and scripty, I really shouldn't care, it's just an operator but it annoys the crap out of me

user55340

:= has a pascal feeling to me which then means that I've got to declare all my procedures and functions at the top and finish with "end."

It's the single reason I couldn't get myself to really play with ocaml much, just using := makes me feel like I'm writing garbage when I know ocaml is a great language. Though the :: and ; annoyed the crap out of me in ocaml too

For a functional language, ocaml is really verbose rosettacode.org/wiki/Go_Fish/OCaml

user55340

That looks more like making it readable...

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data Rank = Two | Three | Four | Five | Six | Seven | Eight | Nine | Ten |
            Jack | Queen | King | Ace
            deriving (Bounded, Enum, Eq, Ord, Show)

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vs

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3:02 PM

let string_of_pip = function
  | Two   -> "Two"
  | Three -> "Three"
  | Four  -> "Four"
  | Five  -> "Five"
  | Six   -> "Six"
  | Seven -> "Seven"
  | Eight -> "Eight"
  | Nine  -> "Nine"
  | Ten   -> "Ten"
  | Jack  -> "Jack"
  | Queen -> "Queen"
  | King  -> "King"
  | Ace   -> "Ace"

user55340

You know the php version is "goFish()" because its been added as a built in to the language.

haha

3:22 PM

Haskell spoils me. The terseness of syntax as soon as you get used to it, every other language's verbosity just feels so unnecessary

It feels so much cleaner to write

Which is why one of the Haskell variants is called Clean I suppose

Wow I didn't realize how old Clean is, it must be based on Miranda as a peer to Haskell

4:12 PM

Ah, Falcon actually has a nice threading model. Each thread is it's own independent VM with it's own GC/memory allocator/etc, it uses the typical locking technique for data synchronization, but the nice thing is everything exists thread-local so to give data to another thread it get's serialized in memory and sent over to the other thread's VM, and then it's thread-local on both VMs. This means that you have safe message passing provided by the language and don't need locks if you go that way

@JimmyHoffa Have you ever used /review?

@YannisRizos yeah, why?

Man the close queue is piling up I see

err, I presume you mean p.se/review ?

@JimmyHoffa Thank you for volunteering to be my guinea pig for the brand new review queue suspension.

wait waht

you're...welcome?

btw I have no idea if I can undo this...

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4:16 PM

haha

Go for it, I barely run the review queue. I rather just go close voting and delete flagging

Ah, scrap that, I can ban myself.

Yeah, geez

don't you have puppets for this stuff?

user image

how did you put that image there so fast??

@JimmyHoffa I have a sock puppet but it's 1 rep, and you need rep to access /review

user55340

4:20 PM

One thing that I wish for in the close votes is that if there is a duplicate, I need to dig into it to see if it is a duplicate that I agree with.

@JimmyHoffa Some chrome screenshot extension. hyperdesktop is also cool for quick screenshots (it uploads everything to imgurl automagically, so you get an instant link to share)

ah

@MichaelT dupe close votes add the link to a comment

user55340

They do, but the 'duplicate' screen in close shows the text of the question too.

Today's winner for "Title I'd never thought I'd read on Programmers":

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Q: Everyday Working American

I would like to get some answers about the programming area in the United States because I am Brazilian and I will change at the end of year.I'm studying computer science at a local college. I wonder if there is any bias on the part of companies with issue of immigrants and what the requirements...

programming-languages

Ugh, going through the close queue almost all the questions have high scores...

4:23 PM

No idea why he'd tag that with [programming-languages]

@YannisRizos programmers use programming languages

obviously related

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@JimmyHoffa those are some of the most important ones to close, if they should be closed. They are attractive to post in for new people answering, and are used as examples for "but this is open" for questions that shouldn't be asked.

@MichaelT I know, I'm saddened by the high score on questions that are clearly not good

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Trifecta.

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The biggest challenge for a Brazilian working as a visa tech worker is the organization of the Indian tech companies. In California, there are several companies that are dual US/India - and know the visa process inside and out to pull from India to work in the US..

user55340

4:30 PM

As they don't have a branch in Brazil, they don't pull from there. Many large companies stick with one contract shop... and smaller ones don't like to (or aren't established enough) to go through the visa process.

@MichaelT Yeah, I get that, but all the same there are companies which import from more than just India, and if the guy doesn't care which part of the states he gets to but just wants to come here, he'll find one of those places. Those places don't care about your actual skills anyway, they care that you have the degree and are willing to work for the pennies they supply

The guy will have the degree, and so long as he's ok working for pennies and doesn't care about location, he'll find something.

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Q: Machine Learning Algorithm for Heating/Lighting Optimization

I'm working on a project where I'm developing an interface that learns how you typically use a space, and tries to create the most appropriate control strategy for heating/lighting. I've done some research into the area of machine learning techniques, but I was wondering if there were any recomme...

machine-learning

This is in close queue, but it seems ok to me, thoughts?

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> So, I'm wondering if there are any recommendations on which strategy would work best for this problem? Thoughts?

It's specific, it's about a programming problem, it's answerable with evidence.. The only thing I would say is maybe light on requirement details but even still it's not that light

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Q: Java Program to solve quadratic equation

FEE 132 GROUP 4 PROJECT Write a Java Program that prints all real solutions to the quadratic equation ax2+bx+c = 0. Read in a, b, c and use the quadratic formula. If the discriminant b2-4ac is negative, display a message stating that there are no real solutions

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I can do this is in one assembly instruction - uranium.vaxpower.org/~isildur/vax/week.html

4:37 PM

@MichaelT He lists off a variety though, I guess I have a habit of ignoring the "What do I do?" part of questions when they supply options and read it as "Which of these makes more sense?"

@MichaelT is that for real? VAX machines had a polynomial instruction?

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@JimmyHoffa Yep. Implemented in hardware.

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The VAX was the essence of the CISC processor.

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It caused significant headaches when migrating vax assemply to Alpha assembly.

@MichaelT edited the end of that Q, is it better now?

VAX wasn't one of those vectorizing processors was it? I know unisys did some of those but I didn't think VAX was

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@JimmyHoffa Possibly. The way I look at it is "How could I possibly answer this" and if I come up with a few versions that don't have a design associated with it, it leans on the "not constructive" radio button.

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4:44 PM

@JimmyHoffa Nope. Just a good, old fashioned, CISC system. It was the php of processors... though not badly designed, just a different philosophy. Back then, people wrote assembly by hand at times and instead of having them write slow (performance is key!) routines to do it, put it in the processor itself.

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There are also queue manipulation opcodes.

@MichaelT also just fixed this Q, edit make it good to leave open? You should answer it btw:

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Q: Programming style in Perl

I work in Java so basically I use OOP paradigm during coding. I am about to start working in Perl and I was wondering what is the paradigm that Perl developers follow. In wiki it mentions that it supports many paradigms but I am not sure I understand this since it is a scripting language. So my ...

java design-patterns object-oriented perl

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esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ian/Computer_architectures

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A: Programming style in Perl

Perl's philosophy tends to be that of "do what is practical now." If you need to use OOP, its there. It isn't necessary in all solutions and forcing a person to write OOP code when it is a simple "do this then this then this" type problem is often counter productive. The multi-paradigm nature ...

Heh cool. Did my edit save the Q?

user55340

4:47 PM

@JimmyHoffa Possibly.

Will you vote to reopen when it get's closed? (it's 1 vote shy, so it'll get there..)

user55340

At the moment, it looks like it is 5 votes shy...

Why does this have 3 close votes? It's a perfectly good question...

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Q: Microsoft's coding standards for ASP.NET controls

I cannot find any naming standards/conventions in MSDN for naming ASP.NET controls. One of the following standards tends to be used by programmers: lblAddress AddressLabel Address According to MSDN's Name of Type Members, should we be treating ASP.NET controls as fields, hence using Pascal C...

c# .net asp.net coding-style coding-standards

@MichaelT yannis must have liked the edit and killed the close votes... I only stumbled onto it in close vote queue where it was 4/5

Fixed this one too... I'm on a roll...

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Q: A class with extra field

Let's say I have an animal class...with fields of name, height and weight. I want to create a bird class which is an animal, but it has also, say, wing size. How can I do that? My general idea is creating the animal class, and the bird class which inherits animal, and has additional field ...but...

object-oriented basic-skills

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@JimmyHoffa The impression that I got from that question was "how should I name things?" - the answers have phrases such as "I'm for your second entry" and "I prefer". While not a "this is wrong!" it is something that does lead one to "well I like XYZ" or "we name them ABC where I work" answers. Yes, the slippery slope argument is a poor one.

@JimmyHoffa Ornithology is off topic.

4:58 PM

@YannisRizos I flagged to migrate to birds.stackexchange.com

@MichaelT yeah, Iduno I just feel like editting all these questions that are phrased terribly this morning.. Just edited another to try and save...

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Ornithology and birdwatching

Proposed Q&A site for community to help people to recognise birds, discuss about taxonomies and classification of birds. This include as well hardware or technical discussion.

Currently in definition.

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Q: .(Dot)Net application on Android OS

I am Database Administrator, but now I need to know something about android applications. I need to run an existing .Net application in Android Operating System, while surfing on the internet I came to know that, I can use MonoDroid to build and run my application on Androids Operating System. ...

android monodroid

@YannisRizos flagged this one for migration, does that make sense?

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Q: JavascriptMVC and JQuery

I was put in charge of managing and enhancing a JavascriptMVC framework that works with python for the backend. I am more of a backend developer, but need to try to expedite some front end features. Having dealt with jquery in the past, I thought I could apply some changes onto the DOM after it...

javascript mvc jquery

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@JimmyHoffa four people have agreed with you about its migratory status... its on its way there.

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(and migratory questions have nothing to do with birds)

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(Poor @YannisRizos 's edit happened just seconds after the migration)

5:07 PM

@MichaelT Yeah, and I'm not going to copy paste the edit on the SO version, I can only suggest edits there and I'm not going to bother three reviewers with a minor(ish) edit.

user55340

But you get two rep... and only... lots more suggestions, and you won't need to.

I'm glad my edit made it in

5:24 PM

Oof reading about Therac-25 is creepy. Then there's the recent stories of those IV pump machines having bugs... Knowing what is averagely passed off as good enough by developers creeps me the hell out when thinking about software in the medical industry

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Q: Not able to get a Database instance inside a Model class

Does a class' __construct() method need to be public, in order to call a static method of this class inside of another class? I'm trying to get a Database instance inside my Model class (MVC app), by calling a static method of the Database class. The constructor of this Database class is private...

php object-oriented mvc singleton

Why, oh why, nobody reads the actual error message?

> But it seems to be interfering when I try to call the static method inside my Model class.

Yeah right, interfering... The error message is:

> Fatal error: Access level to Database::__construct() must be public (as in class PDO)

It doesn't get any more descriptive than this.

user41796

@YannisRizos - did you get a chance to try out the review queue ban? Yes, I'm volunteering myself

@YannisRizos it get's much more descriptive, see look:

> You can't have a private constructor on a class that's inheriting a class with a public constructor, and PDO's constructor is public.

The SE compiler is the best compiler as he has proven

@GlenH7 Yeap, banned myself. The cool thing about it is that it doesn't let you know a mod pulled the trigger, the phrasing suggests it's an automatic ban. More rage against the machine is less rage against the mods.

user41796

I miss Rage Against the Machine

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5:31 PM

ok, didn't know if you needed a non-mod to test against as well

@YannisRizos why did they implement that anyway? Why would a mod ever use it, can you see user's review queue activity?

user41796

Work is busy enough today so I won't be in the review queues and the ban would be meaningless to me

also they probably just used the already implemented ban message which exists as an extension of the review queue audit tests

@JimmyHoffa Yes, same message.

I mean; same mechanism

The message being the same was probably a side effect of code reuse

But why did they implement it as a mod tool? I just don't get it's use case

Unless the use case is "Screw with people", which is valid, after all SE has gamification as a core tenet...

5:36 PM

@JimmyHoffa Everyone can see anyone's review history, except audits. We mods also see audits. The mod triggered review ban is for people that do crappy reviews and manage to pass audits. I don't see a use for it on Programmers (yet?), but it's certainly useful on Stack Overflow.

Gotcha

Basically to catch people badge hunting

who have good audit filters

And you can see all the questions I voted to leave open etc?

err, everyone can?

user41796

so clearly you haven't been looking at my reviews then....

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@JimmyHoffa - programmers.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/history

interesting

@GlenH7 you don't vote to close much in the queues heh

user41796

For example, I left "better perf with PNGs" open since I felt there was the core of a decent question in there. And it's a fairly common challenge. But I'll grant the question wasn't phrased well.

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5:39 PM

lol

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@JimmyHoffa - I used to be more aggressive in closing things out. My bill paying gig's workload has been up a tick lately too.

@GlenH7 I thought the same, went to edit it and realized the edit would have been asking for a list of ways to solve the problem so he could propose them all to his stakeholders...

so I don't think phrasing is the issue (though it's bad) I think the core is actually broke

For the record, the success rate in audits is 80% (or more), except on the re-open queue, where it's less than 50%.

user55340

The reopen one is... frustrating.

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@JimmyHoffa - I figured there could be other techniques or advanced compression techniques that could be employed. Out of my knowledge domain, so I let it ride.

5:44 PM

@GlenH7 there are other techniques, but the question is asking for a list of them

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@MichaelT - agreed. I am reaching towards "skip" more often

user55340

I avoid even clicking on it now.

I barely ever see stuff in review queues... they get flushed so fast it seems

though I just had 16 in close queue all at once this morning which was odd

Also I almost suspended someone for a spam edit that turned out to be an audit. I was halfway composing the suspension message when I thought it might be an audit.

user55340

Occasionally, you'll have someone go trawling through the old questions and closing old less than ideal questions to avoid people trying to answer them when any answer would be bad, or using them as an example... there've been days I've tossed in all my votes chasing "related questions" from bad question to bad question.

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5:46 PM

I got a reopen audit that I failed because I considered "well, if the question is closed, it still looks not constructive, leave it closed."

user41796

@YannisRizos - that's exactly why I drill into suspicious review items anymore. My initial reactions have sometimes been very less than ... kind.

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-3

Q: Programming recommended books

I have been searching books from some time ago, I already found lots of them but I would like some about specific things (can also be websites with info) that I could not find much. Could someone please give me websites or books about these things? C++ Assembly Lua (I have a big list of websit...

c++ assembly lua books

Hi =)

user55340

That was at -4... how did that get an upvote?

I'm wondering if this question is ok for Programming.

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Q: How to know which Project type I should use

I'm working in a creation of a new system that should be able to change the presentation layer without trouble, also be able to comport web-services, shop areas, internal control of data, creation of reports, multiple web portals, etc. Following this post about the "benefits of multiple Projects...

project-management code-quality performance projects-and-solutions

5:54 PM

@Michel looks ok to me... other's might disagree though it is a bit open ended actually

I would rephrase the question at the end as "What type of projects should each of these projects be given their particular purposes?"

@JimmyHoffa I looked a LOT on the web, but I'm not sure if I used the right terms on the search... Never found a good source or a good sample...

@Michel you're using correct terminology

@JimmyHoffa Going to follow your tip =)

and to answer the question, in general you always want to stick with Class Library as your project type unless it needs the extra stuff of the others

Class Library is your basic project type, it creates a dll

user41796

@Michel - you're asking about project (solution) structure, right? If so, it's on-topic for P.SE. You probably ought to remove the code-quality and performance as they're not related.

5:57 PM

Also, i'm not used on how tags are used on the site... each SE site has different rules =X

Console Application/Winform Application/WPF Application's all create executables which have differing UI model's in the default template, you use them if you need that particular project to have a UI

user41796

@YannisRizos (presuming you're looking at flag queues) - feel free to ignore my flag if there are deleted comments on that question. Hindsight implies that there are, and I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The various web project types you use if you need that particular web capability in that particular project

stuff like BLL should have no need of UI or web capabilities as it should just be logic

@GlenH7 Busted!!! (we can't see who flagged comments, you just outed yourself ;)

user41796

ROFL

user41796

5:59 PM

I thought you could... What little did I know.

DAL also is generally just a class library like BLL because those projects will have nothing to do with UI or web etc (though I think there are some project types for Entity Framework or LINQ 2 SQL which you might use for the DAL project depending on how you implement your DAL)

@GlenH7 I dismissed the flag. The information in the comment can be found in the question (look at the last sentence, the comment just re-iterates that). So... nothing fishy there.

user41796

must. read. questions. twice.

user41796

Shouldn't have stopped at the 2nd to last sentence... :-)

Mixing up latin syllables at google to find new things is fun.

Homology (biology)

The concept of homology is fundamental to the field of comparative biology. In 1843, Richard Owen defined homology as "the same organ in different animals under every variety of form and function". Homology is evaluated strictly in an evolutionary context. That is, organs in two species are homologous only if the same structure was present in their last common ancestor. Organs as disparate as a bat's wing, a seal's flipper, a cat's limb and a human arm have a common underlying anatomy which was present in their last common ancestor and so therefore are homologous as forelimbs. Homologo...

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6:11 PM

@JimmyHoffa ornithology is still off topic.

@MichaelT keep prodding and you just might find a question about identifying different types of fitch by color and curvature of the claw on the front page

...or identifying swallow population age by average coconut weight in a given area

btw at least one of our moderators would be ready to handle ornithology questions if they suddenly became on topic...

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Q: Some small changes to related questions.

We have just rolled out on meta some small cosmetic changes to the related questions in the right sidebar: We have added the vote score to hopefully make the list more useful and also break it up visually. We've also added a little bit more margin between the questions. We are on the fence as t...

discussion user-interface related-questions

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@JimmyHoffa That is one of those questions that you could troll stats.SE with. "The distribution of coconut weights in this 1km x 1km area is ..., however, there is a swallow population here and..."

@YannisRizos Living at mile high elevation all my life, when I moved to Pittsburgh the first thing that struck me (other than the ridiculous amount of trees) was how loud it was every morning with birds. @maple_shaft would have definite room to know something about birds living there.

though maybe it just struck me because birds don't really live at my elevation. (Hawks and owls on the other hand are so common I'm glad my kid outweighs them finally)

@MichaelT it's actually a P.SE question because lacking knowledge of swallow type (african vs european) it's computationally undecidable

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6:25 PM

Incidentally, there was an article on sparrows in the news feed this morning. The swallows from populations that make their nests under over passes have smaller wings than those of the same species that are on cliffs.

That's it, I'm going over to area51 to vote for birds.stackexchange.com

user55340

@JimmyHoffa What would be the implication if you also voted for bees.stackexchange.com?

@MichaelT it would be a post forma vote for parenting.SE

user55340

6:40 PM

IIRC, there's a bee keeping area 51 post. This has nothing to do with my favorite computer though.

user55340

The BeBox was a short-lived dual processor personal computer, offered by Be Inc. to run the company's own operating system, BeOS. Notable aspects of the system include its CPU configuration, I/O board with "GeekPort", and "Blinkenlights" on the front bezel. The BeBox made its debut in October 1995 (BeBox Dual603-66). The processors were upgraded to 133 MHz in August 1996 (BeBox Dual603e-133). Production was halted in January 1997, following the port of BeOS to the Macintosh, in order for the company to concentrate on software. Be sold around 1000 66 MHz BeBoxes and 800 133&nbs...

user55340

@YannisRizos I poked at M.SO to see that... it looks useful for someone who browses for knowledge.

It's a bit much, design wise. Useful, but also loud and distracting.

7:01 PM

@MichaelT woo hoo a chance to promote that Vance's article, in a perfectly relevant context! I knew it will come, sooner or later...

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A: How to deal with undesired commits that break long-running release builds?

One FPGA developer made a small change and started a build. Another FPGA developer made a commit (after he had been told that his changes did not need to be included in this release and that he should wait to commit). After this commit, the initial build failed. The first FPGA developer then h...

user55340

@YannisRizos It depends on what one is doing on the site. For different people, it has different utility. For the browser of knowledge, it lets one move from one topic to another high quality topic with fewer jumps to "ug, that question was crap with no good answers"

user55340

@gnat Yep... I saw that too and wondered if you would get an answer in that question in before I did. I kept watching for "1 new answer, click here to load"

Perhaps a better way to factor in question score would be to simply make the related algorithm consider the score when sorting the questions instead of showing it (and if it already does, then make it a bit more important). +5 related questions should always appear before 0 scored, for example, even if the 0 scored are "more related" with the current algorithm. — Yannis 49 secs ago

user55340

Consider a bit of javascript on there and then a 'sort by related' and 'sort by score' with hidden data in the tag attributes?

user55340

Or less than hidden data... just make the class not displayed so that a stylesheet change could show it.

7:05 PM

@MichaelT I was too busy squeezing issue details from OP (in comments), didn't want to miss what looked a perfectly good match before shooting it. :) Anyway what matters is the right approach presented at the right question, I don't complain about you being faster here

7:25 PM

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Q: Does Rep Count for anything anymore?

Is this for real? W.T.F. I'd like to point out that vandalism was attributed to a real User, totally unacceptable. Now its telling me "This post does not meet our quality standards". This is just insulting.

What is morons asking about there? I don't understand his question at all

user20683

@JimmyHoffa It's about the Audits using real users for reasons that are detailed in the M.SO link I posted.

What about audits using real users? How does that have anything to do with having rep?

-1

Q: Best way for store User recent playlist

Every time when user hear one music on system, the system store this music to recents list, but I am afraid to pass over than decimal(19,0), if I Reseed I will get some problems but if I realocate all id's is possible, but have any another best praticle for that? Whit possibility to clean whitout...

Can't decipher this, but I have a feeling there might be a good question (somewhere) in there.

user20683

@YannisRizos /spocks a brow

user20683

WAT

user20683

7:37 PM

I think he's asking how to avoid primary key overflow?

user20683

maybe?

user20683

I don't speak Portuguese so I've no way of determining natively what he meant.

I just tried to edit it, got 2 sentences in and then realized he's speaking nonsense

I think it's a google translate from his native language

user20683

no, it uses whitout which Google won't use

What is your native language? Perhaps if you post your question in your native language someone here can translate it to english correctly. Currently, this question makes almost no sense (though I think you have a valid question, it's just really hard to decipher) — Jimmy Hoffa 12 secs ago

user20683

7:39 PM

it's Portuguese

I think I'll just migrate to Stack Overflow, last time I checked nonsense seems to be perfectly on topic there...

lol

@YannisRizos it's actually a good P.SE question

He's asking for design techniques to avoid a problem

user20683

It's a SQL implementation question

I don't think it's an implementation question so much as a technique question

user20683

but yeah, there are definite design issues there

7:41 PM

@YannisRizos c'mon, you're greek; you speak Portuguese right? :D

@YannisRizos FTFY... at least most blatant spelling issues (I hope)

>

Every time when user hears one music on system, the system stores this music to recent list, but I am afraid to pass over than decimal(19,0). If I Reseed I will get some problems but if I reallocate all id's it is possible.

Is there a better way for that? With possibility to clean without future headache with Primary key overflow? And I can limit this list for 255(smallint) maybe, but when I clean this, he will use another 255 ids.

@WorldEngineer how do you know it's portuguese btw?

user55340

@gnat over -> other

user20683

@JimmyHoffa Rodrigues

@WorldEngineer that's not a guarantee

user20683

7:42 PM

no but it's highly likely

The question seems locked

Can any of you open that Q?

user55340

Not anymore.

user image

What a monitor

and that keyboard reminds me of the old 20 pound monsters

user55340

Model M's rocked!

7:44 PM

keyboards used to be so much larger

user20683

@MichaelT you can still buy them

@MichaelT I had a couple as a kid I loved and held onto for years

@WorldEngineer yeah for like $150 or something, eff that. Not worth it.

user55340

I know... the incongruousness between getting one for a mac both amuse and disgust me from time to time.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa $80 pckeyboard.com/page/UKBD/UNI0P4A

I hope I broke that Q. I clicked "update to load edit" and then "Edit" almost at the same time

@MichaelT you have no idea how tempted I am looking at that, but I almost exclusively use a laptop keyboard anymore.

user55340

7:48 PM

@JimmyHoffa I'm not sure if its that question anymore... I'm getting fixing dog with all questions.

damn

I vote someone call out one of the SE devs by name in meta, just because something's broke and in that scenario every dev get's a little spooked when they get called out.

There seems to be some glitches with the site right now, if you notice questions disappearing... It's not me.

A meta post like "Marc Gravell broke P.SE"

user55340

I'll still go with you broke it.... seems like a safe assumption. Those people with transactional memory models never seem to understand how badly things can go wrong for the rest of us.

@YannisRizos nobody was blaming you, but now I'm starting to wonder...

user55340

7:51 PM

Hey... @YannisRizos took down the greek economy with php... who knows what he would do with visual basic on stack exchange.

That and because it's fun calling out developers wayyy smarter than you

@JimmyHoffa I can't really break anything, but I can quickly delete everything.

@YannisRizos I don't believe that for a minute, you wrote a brainfuck interpreter in PHP. The mere posting of that on codereview may have caused bugs in SE

@JimmyHoffa That or a SE dev posted a question on ProgSE and I closed it (and this is their revenge).

user55340

@YannisRizos but, you get to say "two tags" to one... meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/5769/revisions

7:55 PM

so did the site just die? can't access any question

@MichaelT I know full well what non-transactional memory means... I just spent the past 2 days working out signalling and locking mechanism for a graceful fine-grained-synchronization message queue based long running background thread

@adrianp Yeah, we've been meaning to talk to you about that, what did you do man?

user55340

@adrianp Yes, its down, I'm betting its a locking problem on the database... but have nothing to back that up.

@JimmyHoffa rm -rf / pretty much

user55340

If you scroll back about 15 minutes ago (to Jimmy's started question), you will see the first notice of that problem.

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Q: Somebody broke Programmers.StackExchange

No questions are coming up. Error, error, basically. Meta works fine, so uh, great... --QUALITY_STANDARDS_SUPPLEMENT ASD8ASD9TERWTGBTWETH2345TRGGHRHWER

7:59 PM

@MichaelT yes, sorry for missing that

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Make sure you have two tags or @YannisRizos does something to you.

user55340

@adrianp No probs... its likely not you... and we are all now suffering withdrawl. You can seven see Jimmy smashing his head on the keyboard (not a model M, it might not survive) in that meta post he just linked.

Well there went meta

Guess I jinxed it

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I tried to give you another tag but something is going horribly wrong

@WorldEngineer they flipped the offline switch so they could fix the problem

user55340

8:01 PM

See... Jimmy broke it!

user20683

@JimmyHoffa the site is now loading for me

Meta being down is a problem, but it's also a wonderful solution to a ton of other problems (users with opinions, for example).

user20683

Meta is now up

Crap, I knew it was too good to be true.

@WorldEngineer they turned it off and back on again (If you haven't watched The IT Crowd, you must)

It's all working now

Q's and all

You can tag my meta Q with status-completed now

8:09 PM

@JimmyHoffa World Engineer did that, so I did the next best thing. I closed it.

user55340

I feel guilty about answering that error handling question with not an answer that does answer it.

Why do so many people ask questions and then never come back at all

user20683

@JimmyHoffa panic mode

Not to be confused with GC Freakout Mode or sp_ExecutionPlanNightmareMode

user20683

@JimmyHoffa we'll just class all of the above under "clusterfault"

user20683

8:17 PM

huh, my name is blue now... hadn't noticed

8:36 PM

@WorldEngineer ornithology has been the preferred classification today. Perhaps GC Freakout Mode refers to when all of the birds at Garden City Bird Sanctuary start attacking visitors, and sp_ExecutionPlanNightmareMode is when Salt Plains Birds begin executing their plans to cause the townsfolk to suffer from nightmares

user20683

@JimmyHoffa GC Freakout Mode was my lunch in 7th grade

user20683

we had a flotilla of seagulls

Hey, I just found my first purposeful use of forall in haskell

I'm going to bind a type and then use that type on my newTVar to get a newTVar with the correct type

specifically a variable type depending on the type the function is called with. Yay me.

8:56 PM

Still don't understood why got 1 downvote on this question

user20683

@Michel and you never will. I have some highly voted questions with downvotes

user20683

in any case, time for me to go collect some books and head home

@Michel No worries, it's a good question.

@WorldEngineer I Know, on Arqade em SO I have the same problem. but it's still weird o.O

and my cute edit got denied T_T

@Michel Someone obviously thought the question doesn't show research effort or that it's unclear or not useful. As long as your question has a net positive score, you can just ignore downvotes.

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