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I need a new camera bag, any suggestions?

@terdon error 404k, rep not found

Also . . . holly Thompson and Ritchie, this amount of rep is just astronomical

1:26 AM

^^^ Just noticed happy 50K @Serg (and happy 10k to me too (doesn't count in AU though)).

@TheXed I bought a $15 shaving kit bag from a place like "Target" to use for carrying around my Sony Subwoofer based Bluetooth speaker system. Worked like a charm.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix yeah, mine on AU is still 45k. I have 4.2k on U&L so it adds up

Still 50K looks good on you :)

I must say you (and others) do lots of hard work here.... makes me feel like a slacker by comparison :(

1:41 AM

On the other hand I do spent weeks writing an application and post it in AU. So maybe there is a balance.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix what the...lol

@TheXed Yeah I bought a padded shaving kit bag to carry around my bluetooth speaker brick. Just a suggestion for your camera.

@muru Hi :).... How's Japan treating you?

muru

Well

A few people know want to go there... I was rather enthralled with the country when I read the book Shogun when I was 13 too.

haha I guess that was 40 years ago but some cultures you just don't forget.

I guess the point is lots of people will think you lucky working in Japan.

Jon Skeet, Reading, United Kingdom

936k 531 6850 7697

c# java .net linq generics asp.net xml

1:54 AM

936K is pretty good. I commented on a 412K poster yesterday on SO saying his answer had holes. I thought 412K was high.

Jon Skeet is just a meme. People upvote him because he's Jon Skeet.

who is John Gualt?

(Jon Skeet)?

Which just leads more people to upvote Jon Skeet. It's a furious, never-ending cycle.

Why don't you delete Jon Skeet and put yourself out of your misery?

This room is laddened with mods, I'm sure you can ask them nicely to delete Jon Skeet.

I honestly can't think of a worse thing to do.

1:56 AM

Jon Skeet is a real person [citation-needed] who is a very very smart developer and is known for @EliahKagan quality answers. He's been on SE since near the beginning, and overall is just an awesome person.

Other than, perhaps, delete Jeff Atwood.

@Seth The SE staff tried... he just... came back.

No wait, he is from Reading which means Reading Railroad which means Monopoly.... you can't delete him.

@KazWolfe so. I remembered I have an old desktop lying around I can re-purpose as a server and... TSHIRT

tho comcast may get mad if I leave it running for too long. Stupid comcast.

@Seth :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

send pics when you get it!

1:58 AM

ok!

I don't have time to set it up today.. but tomorrow I think I will.

oh, while i have you, can i get you to review a flag and give me advice?

Remind me what the web page was again, @KazWolfe?

I closed the tab..

@KazWolfe sure

@Seth too chatty or not constructive or both?

speaking of repurposing as a server.... I still haven't got around to installing LAMP as Kaz excellently answered for my old laptop.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I'd use NGINX + Postgres + Something Other Than PHP (NodeJS, maybe?)

@Seth ipv6.he.net/certification

2:00 AM

Should I dig up your accepted answer and post that? :p

@KazWolfe I like not constructive myself, but as long as you're not flagging normal things as rude we tend to just treat all comment flags the same. If it should be deleted, meh. Delete it.

Rude is the only one (iirc) that has any backend consequences.

@KazWolfe thx

I think I flagged a comment or two as rude or offensive... what is a "backend consequence"?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix This one? Well, you did specifically ask for LAMP. People like different stacks, I just prefer NGINX.

Yes that one.... I remember it because you hinted I never accepted it when I thought I had already accepted it only it must have been in a dream sequence or something :)

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Typically, flags don't really do anything against you. It's more of a... friendly warning. Some flags (rude/abusive, spam, etc.) do have further effects like banning you from the site, nuking reputation, or any combination of those.

2:03 AM

OK... I know I used to have 13 flags left but now when I flag I have 50 flags left.

So I should flag more often :)

I mean, if you have a metric ton of flags against you, it might cause mods to worry, but some flags as i mentioned above will actually do things automatically.

Actually, @Seth, can I actually get a flag report for flags against me?

meaning?

Yeah can I get flag report against me too? and Serg just for fun :p

How many flags were cast against myself/my posts, what kind were they, and how many were accepted/declined?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Mods aren't going to give flag reports out for other users. I doubt they're going to give anyone their own reports, but definitely not others.

I'm not sure that's a good idea to brute about publicly. I'll ask.

2:05 AM

Ouch... I had one flag declined because a recruiter was trying to hire here in AU and I flagged it as spam :(

Seth I was just kidding about getting Serg's flag record :)

I'd honestly be surprised if I did get my own flag record.

but it's worth asking.

Well I guess one flag declined out of the 30 (or 20) (or 10) I've flagged isn't bad.

What happens? They say no? Well, nothing changes. so...

(wait, why do i not apply this logic to trying to get a significant other?)

@KazWolfe I don't care who flagged me, neither should you... we code day by day.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I see 98 helpful flags on your account.

2:07 AM

I was trying to earn a badge.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I don't want to know who (I'm pretty sure I won't ever be allowed to know who), I'd just think it would be interesting to know how many.

@Seth ty

"who" was a typo. thing "what" or "why" instead.

or "where".

We can't control the flags against our records.... we just try to be better every day... IMO

Everyone in this room is stellar IMO (well except me of course!).

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Burn ISO Audio CD by Annie on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I convert audio from ogg to mp3? by Annie on askubuntu.com

Uh oh smoke detector is back from vacation and now is on acid.

no, that's me

2:10 AM

oh.... multiple personality disorder?

@Seth now that . . . is just absurd

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No, I'm a smokey privileged user. I get to manually flag posts

oops.... "disorder" is politically incorrect... I mean "Kaz to you have multiple personality specialty?"

@Serg the bugs that appear when he crosses 1 million will be interesting.

@Seth unicorns spawn everywhere

That deserved a flag imo

"excessively bad joke"

2:12 AM

what? I don't see anything

come on you laughed.

@KazWolfe Thanks for the reminder, i forgot to buy anti-unicorn spray

for PG room I'll say they are uni-horn.

@Seth um . . . bugs ? SO system isn't ready to handle 1M rep ?

@Serg I think it logically would be, but I'm sure there'll be the weird exceptions somewhere

Eh, I'm sure they have patched everything they can think of.. but that's never everything ;)

2:14 AM

You do not want to know some of the weird bugs with our own code at my company. Some of them are literally "wtf, how can a bug like this even be possible?"

hi

@TheXed ii

also , speaking of systems. . .Who in the bloody hell decided to periodically delete posted content on Blackboard during semester ? I now can't find lectures professor posted from like beginning of the semester up till now

I'm not sure about 1 million rep, but I have DOS software out there that breaks in the year 2156 and I heard Linux runs out of 1970 based seconds in the future too.

screw you, students, we shall delete the content you desperately need because we've never heard of cloud storage and we're rather spend money on other stupidity

2:16 AM

@Serg never of those scenarios are correct, the reality is, is they delete it so you fail the class and have to pay more money to take the class again, rinse and repeat.

Xed is in education industry so he knows this :)

@TheXed thanks, the professor's clarity of the content is already doing that sufficiently well

@Serg anyway to help yo not succeed is to their benefit...that whole non-profit education is a sham..

Just buy your professor a 26'er of his favorite whiskey or vodka and move on.

Anyhow . . .event[0] . . .Markiplier . . .dinner . . . I'm just gonna chill over here

2:18 AM

It will be a sham until higher education is free...

STARRED!!!!!

The primary reason I supported Sanders was for free higher education but I had caveats.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I thought you were Canadian?

I am... I went to Programming College and it was dirt cheap.

Dammit, My bacon keeps falling out...

@TheXed OK, maybe not entirely free . . . but at least reducing the crazy tuition and textbook cost would be nice . . . and actually motivate the professors to teach instead of saying "yeah, it's all in the book"

2:20 AM

But I can still support American Presidential Candidates to make the world a better place.

also @serg, i had to channel my inner wolf today.

Local deli makes amazing sandwiches... but they're bloody massive.

@Serg professors need to be evaluated on based on performance and tenure needs to be abolished...

@KazWolfe hopefully that channel was one of those going over 5 GHz bandwidth ? :) ( wifi jokes , hehe ) Also . . . mmmmmm, sammishez

The fewer Americans with guns running around shooting people because they have higher education (I don't mean Colorado marijuana laws) the better for everyone, because guns are gateway drug to bombs in Iraq and Syria.

ham, cheese, mustard, mayo, and completely flooded with balsamic vinaigrette. All on a homemade French baguette.

Sandwich was as tall as my fist.

2:23 AM

Sounds like a Mickey D commercial...

@KazWolfe doesn't sound overly healthy...

You're lucky I'm eating otherwise I'd spam chat with "you're making me hungry" messages . . . in all caps too

@TheXed But it's delicious.

We actually brought home one of the baguettes....

The bread for my sandwich was still warm <3

Girl at work gave me a Crock Pot and yesterday I bought a Sirloin Tip Roast, the first one since 2003.... can't wait to hook those two up together.

@TheXed not everything healthy is good, but everything healthy is good for you

2:25 AM

Which speaking of healthy, I have lost 6.4 lbs since last Monday...

GOOD FOR YOU!

Actually, I'm supposed to eat relatively unhealthy.

I'm still only at 125lbs (57 kg for all the sane people).

How is grade 7 treating you?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix oh...did you get the new position?

@TheXed Not a word.... Was thinking about quiting out of spite.

2:27 AM

Hmm bummer

Yeah they didn't even ask me what I know, how I can make things better, past successes or anything.

the silence is deafening.

And they bragged how they promote from within sigh

@KazWolfe I know what that's like

I've worked on mainframes, minicomputers, novell dos networks all over the world....mutli-million dollar systems... not bill gates but still...

@Seth it's sorta awesome, actually...

But it is also absolutely terrible because you're always on the small side.

@KazWolfe not when you get really sick and there's nothing to lose..

don't ask how I know

2:31 AM

If work doesn't transfer me to the out of the warehouse into the Software Development Department or at least interview me I'll blame the USA deep state.

@Seth yeah...

trust me, i know that side too.

:/

it does have its advantages though

I like how in event[0] the terminals all run some form of .sh script , hehe

eh... being underweight isn't the best thing. it has some perks, but there are definite downsides.

Pity Mark doesn't know anything about Linux

2:35 AM

Though, I wouldn't give it away for anything

@Serg I wonder if I'm good enough to apply as a position as his IT coordinator/onsite support.

That would be fun.

@Serg Mark as in Canonical?

@KazWolfe lol, get in line, pal. I'd be first to apply

@WinEunuuchs2Unix no, the celebrity one.

@KazWolfe I thought you were already a junior sysadmin?

@Serg Already in LA, so get behind me.

2:36 AM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No, Markiplier, a famous youtuber

@Seth Junior Software Engineer.

@KazWolfe I can relocate if necessary :p

@KazWolfe Ah

I do sysadmin work because I like it a lot more, but my official title is software engineer.

he's not famous if I haven't seen him on Youtube... the only famous person (to me) is Al-Jazeera.

2:37 AM

@Seth Really, though, I can do almost any work I need to in tech. Networking, database, cybersecurity, development, infrastructure, support, administration...

Frankly, I kind of feel about the same as Kaz. I find sysadmin stuff slightly more interesting than engineering

I'm not excellent at anything, but I'm pretty good at a lot of things. :D

@KazWolfe Cool... two days ago I recommended Software Engineer to Serg.

@KazWolfe slick. you learn all that on your own or did you go to school?

@Seth alone, for the most part.

2:37 AM

@KazWolfe :D

I do a lot of experimentation.

All of us here experiment with computers and software I think.

@KazWolfe Nice. I decided to go the school route because I have trouble keeping myself motivated to keep doing it myself. Not that I didn't want to, I just couldn't stay on task without some kind of curriculum or plan.

School is a good precursor to doing it on your own.

@Seth Oh, trust me, I abandon projects all the time.

I still learn a lot, though.

2:40 AM

totally

I just decided I'd get further with more structure, which I wasn't sure how to get on my own. I was right, for the most part.

Guys . . .um, can I haz Engrish guestion ?

School involves lots of hoop jumping but I have awesome teachers so that makes up for it.

(I mean, obviously, I'm not good at hardware architecture or things that are useless to me)

@Serg how do I tell whether to use affect or effect?

@Seth See, I can't stand the formal setting in the slightest. It slows me down and doesn't let me experiment and learn fully hands-on.

I like getting dirty and having to stay the weekend to repair the office network because I did something odd.

2:42 AM

@KazWolfe I understand. For whatever reason I'm good at dealing with it, even if I don't always like it much.

@KazWolfe But you are probably good at network transport protocol which is like greek to me as hardware is greek to youl

though like I said, having awesome faculty helps a lot.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I'm talking about stuff like designing and fabricating CPUs and very low-level hardware.

@Serg if you meant can you ask an English question then the answer is yes ;)

ask away

@Seth I know how to use that, so I'm good in that department. I got a thingy in a mail where they offer to buy a wood clock, kinda looks good and my mom is interested. What I wanna know is this: "...so act now to acquire your Whitetail Majesty Cuckoo Clock for four convenient installments of $44.99, for a total of $179.95 . . ."

2:43 AM

Oh yeah well we don't have an 18 billion dollar Intel fabrication plant.

that's 4 payments ? or 4 clocks available ?

4 payments

@Serg Four separate payments for one clock.

Well . . . screeeeeeeeew that . . . .

Basically, instead of paying the lump sum, they want you to pay four times.

2:44 AM

they use that to trick people into "feeling" like it's cheaper than it is.

Seen it work too many times on relatives to be amused..

^

\o Nathan

nathan is here! \o/

o/

2:45 AM

GOD DAMN IT ENGLAND.

Nice clock serg

nytimes.com/2017/03/27/technology/…

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Looks like a pretty clock. My grandmother had one like it.

@Seth It's serg's clock not mine.

4 payments of four dollars four times every four centuries or something.

Seriously. England. Don't mess with encryption. Just because "terrorists shouldn't have a place to hide" doesn't mean you need to destroy everyone's right to privacy.

2:47 AM

Well, . . . . apparently it's going to be my clock now . . . Mom does want to buy it

@KazWolfe That's not even the best part. She also said tech companies who (and I quote) "understand the necessary hashtags" need to find a solution.

oh you are talking about what's app and the minister on russia today

Please ban me before i start raging through the whole room

I . . .can't believe . . . .179 for a clock . . .

@Serg @Seth, can I? Please?

just gimme r/o for 30 seconds.

sure :)

2:48 AM

@KazWolfe better solution:

Rage Room for All Who Need It™

Have at it folks.

@KazWolfe Yup, this is why government shouldn't be regulating crypto. They don't have a clue what they're doing.

@Seth aww...

@Seth Wat.

@NathanOsman we are banning Serg

afk dinner

2:49 AM

We already did that once.

afk Shower

then it's my turn to rage about governments and encryption.

@KazWolfe I could rage about a few things myself...

Amber Rudd on more big state to tackle terror | Marr 26Mar17

no one cares she said we need to understand the necessary hashtags?

►

(time stamped link)

@KazWolfe --^

@Seth We already made fun of her for that two days ago. You need to keep up with the latest developments :P

2:54 AM

@NathanOsman I knew it was old, but it didn't seem Kaz knew :P

but it's true, I'm having trouble keeping up lately..

I'm just being silly.

Honestly, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to waste time following this garbage.

"well, I don't want to read your WhatsApp" yeah but how are you going to stop all the other people that do?

I finally figured out why I don't like systemd. It mirrors the government. It starts out as something seemingly innocuous, claiming to benefit us by unifying things (keeping us safer). However, once one item is ceded, more follow until you end up with a massive blob of functionality that is disorganized, inefficient, and worst of all, robs you of your strongest weapon: choice.

@NathanOsman tweet at @systemdsucks

It's too long :P

2:58 AM

'cause you're spot on

@NathanOsman aww

And I don't have the patience to make a meme image :P

tweetstorm ftw

3:10 AM

Come on there is a systemd website for reporting bugs I've seen it.

People there actually talk without triaging and closing.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix yet very few bugs reported.. a lot of "features" though.

"undocumented feature" is programmer speak for "bug"

Anyway my point is if you find something wrong with systemd you can talk about it there but you can't talk to the govenment anywhere.

You can't even vote for a president to change the government and the media.... If you vote for one the media will attack him and the CIA will leak information character assassinating him in an quasi-coup.

I've seen it myself over the last few months.

My rant is a little bit facetious but it is still hard not to see the comparison.

Now if you said Canonical poorly handled the transition from upstart to systemd because my laptop suspends twice I'd agree.

On a completely, completely unrelated note, I am starting to learn Swift.

Yes, I have come to the conclusion that I must learn to write iOS apps.

3:17 AM

Is Swift a faster version of Go? :p

It's Apple's attempt to replace C.

So in some ways it is a competitor to Go.

Except (to my knowledge) it hasn't been ported to Windows yet, like Go has been.

Well there was A, then there was B, then there was C, then there was C# then there was C++, shouldn't apple call it "D" instead?

They have their own language called "Objective-C".

And Swift is what they developed to replace it.

Well there is Visual C too.

That's just the name for Microsoft's compiler suite.

It isn't really a different language.

3:20 AM

When I learned C I was taught there are 27 commands, all the rest are just functions or libraries.

Yup, you could learn the syntax for C in a couple hours. To master it, you must spend many years :P

And most of that is understanding good design patterns and learning the standard library.

It's the application you are mastering that takes all your time learning their libraries.

ok back

time to rage

Exactly what Nathan said. Learning syntax and basic commands doesn't take that long. But there's so many deep concepts you need to understand. And where to use what, and when things are appropriate

Same with Python. Syntax is easy, but all the neat little tricks, like list comprehensions, iterators, generators, tuple expansion . . .

That's the juicy part

"tuples" are something they taught in assemblers and compilers class in 1984.

^^^ Assemblers and Compilers Design Class

muru

3:36 AM

Can somebody VTC askubuntu.com/questions/897614/… as dupe of askubuntu.com/questions/418340/…?

I picked the EOL reason. :facepalm:

why is my audio device...

wat.

If I drop the volume below 20% on the main mixer, it just doesn't give out any audio at all.

Integer rounding FTW.

@muru done I think

thanks!

pleasure

3:38 AM

oh, that's why.

wtf

@NathanOsman How do you round an integer with no decimal point?

anyone else see anything wrong?

I imagined this scenario where the volume is stored as an integer between 0 and 5. Once you go below 20%, you have a fractional value, which is truncated to 0.

@KazWolfe which device is the intended output device?

Internal? USB card?

usb card

Darn. Now that password needs changing.

And Remmina doesn't properly focus windows.