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12:02 AM
AFAIK , VPN requires configuring both configuring client and server. And all queries you send to server, i.e. DNS and actual HTTP queries go via VPN. For proxy, queries to DNS still go to regular server, but requesting actual page goes via proxy server
 
12:14 AM
@Serg "queries to DNS still go to regular server" - for a SOCKS proxy?
 
don't know about SOCKS
 
SOCKS is what you're trying to use lol
@NathanOsman yes
@NathanOsman SOCKS is an HTTP proxy protocol only
not a full tunnel, like VPN would be for the entire system's traffic
 
ok,, that's confusing . so queries still go over http or no ?'
 
12:35 AM
I understand a VPN. And I understand an HTTP proxy.
I just didn't understand where a SOCKS proxy fit into things.
 
@Serg no?
 
@ThomasWard by the way did you check security se site ? there were a few questions there about yesterday's ddoa
 
i lied
 
*ddos
freakin mobile keyboards
 
SOCKS is a typical "proxy" nowadays
thoug hstandard HTTP proxies exist
VPN is a full tunnel, @NathanOsman
SOCKS proxies like SErg was trying to config are for HTTP proxies, etc. but he can't forward his system's DNS lookups over that proxy/tunnel
since that's not done necessarily at the web browser applicaiton level exclusively
VPN tunnels/proxies are full tunnels - everything goes over that tunnel
just like a correctly configured SSH tunnel set up for that way
 
12:46 AM
HMA proxylist is still blank
 
@Serg the rest of the Security.SE community can adequately answer them.
 
@chili555 Another one for you: askubuntu.com/q/840642/518562 P.S. If I'm bothering you, then please by all means tell me to stop :)
 
@ThomasWard oh, I'm not saying you should answer those, just currious if you looked into any of them and have opinions on em
 
@Serg no time - squishing flags and spam here :p
and coding too
@AndroidDev betcha it's loose inside the system
and it's losing connectivity to the system board therefore gets 'forgotten'
or is not turned on when coming out of standby, etc. (like happens on some boards)
just a thought :)
 
@ThomasWard Coding a massive DDOS that will slow the SE server down so that you can exploit a time-sensitive vulnerability in the kernel so that you can become a super-mod and rule all of the SE communities? :)
 
12:51 AM
@AndroidDev um... that'd be illegal. No, just messing with python code of mine more. And some stuff for classes
Android programming too, funnily enough
 
@ThomasWard I know, just kidding :)
@ThomasWard I'm by no means an expert, but I do like playing around with creating Android apps. I'm currently working on an encryption app.
 
@AndroidDev I'm just learning the ropes. Thinking about making an app that'll be a front-end interface for specific BusyBox commands and such to return network data.
I'm not an android programmer by nature ;)
Java is evil
 
@ThomasWard --^
 
I'm not a C/C++ coder either
there's no implementation of Python integration yet
 
@ThomasWard Not true. Jython.
@ThomasWard jython.org
 
1:01 AM
i meant pure python INtegration :P
so I can import custom things :p
 
Yes, well, errrrmmmm..... you got a point there.
 
Ugh. I really hate imports right now
Stupid circular import issues
 
<sigh>
 
@AndroidDev users sometimes don't reliably interpret what we're talking about, next time appending "Please include all error output when you reply" may help a tad ;)
or there's a language barrier :)
 
1:26 AM
@AndroidDev I don't mind the pings at all.
 
 
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2:41 AM
i cannot express how much i hate gnome
 
Hello, does anyone know how I should phrase this question? I'm not sure what the problem is yet. I can't kill a process running under the zimbra user/service. I'd like to understand the technical reason why.

I believe the process in question is used by Zimbra for its AV needs, but has gone rouge. Zimbra tries to talk to it, and doesn't get the response it expects, then prefixes all Subject Lines in email with **UNCHECKED**. I've fixed this by telling Zimbra to stop talking to it, but my interest is in why I can't kill this process. What should I ask?
"Fixed" as in until Monday, when I'm on site to properly deal with it.
PS, let me know if this belongs on the Linux site.
 
2:56 AM
So, my debit card apparently got stolen...
 
3:17 AM
so @Fabby do you have more free time now?
 
3:27 AM
116 cvs :/
 
@Zacharee1 I closed up to my 20 limit today and yesterday. The problem is bad because people are flagging questions from 2 years ago and 3 years ago to be closed. So the number of candidates is skewed with the time warp.
 
@Louis rogue not rouge
are you sure you actually can't kill it and its not just respawning?
 
Hope you can find it
 
No I mean not the physical card itself...
 
3:42 AM
oh
 
But it is still annoying as heck...
 
Yeah.
 
Right now...I couldn't even by lunch from Wendy's today... :-(
 
I never lose my card, it's inside my phone :3
 
first the pumpkins, then my deer statue, and now my debit card...
 
3:43 AM
@TheXed so the card data got stolen?
0_0
 
@JourneymanGeek yes.
 
(Yes I got Samsung pay)
 
I have Windows Wallet, or whatever it is called, but my bank doesn't support it...
 
oh
 
I am about ready to say screw it though, this is about the 5th time this year..
 
3:45 AM
I feel bad for you man.
oh yay, anniversery update's been released.
 
anniversary update?
 
Now my computer's going to lock up[...
 
wasn't it released back in October?
Or I mean...
 
I don't update my computer.
 
when was it released?
A long time ago lol...
 
3:47 AM
yeah.\
here goes nothing...
okay, its downloading
slow as crap
yawnn
 
I just downloaded Windows 10 RS2...
 
i'm impatient
I closed it
 
built 14932 or whatever it is...
 
windows 10 redstone 2?
There's a minecraft refrence
 
Or rockets
@TheXed July
 
3:56 AM
@Edity minecraft reference
@DmitryKudriavtsev I knew it was a while back I just couldn't remember exactly when.
 
lol
i suck at spelling
 
@Edity I suck at life so we are even
 
@TheXed lol, don't say that
 
I think a lot of windows 10 codenames are game references
 
yeah
windows 10 redstone (minecraft)
 
4:04 AM
I have a YouTube video being uploaded. Should be ready in about half an hour.
 
windows 10 threshhold (halo)
@NathanOsman yay!
 
Microsoft codenames are the codenames given by Microsoft to products it has in development, before these products are given the names by which they appear on store shelves. Many of these products (new versions of Windows in particular) are of major significance to the IT community, and so the terms are often widely used in discussions prior to the official release. Microsoft usually does not announce a final name until shortly before the product is publicly available. It is not uncommon for Microsoft to reuse codenames a few years after a previous usage has been abandoned. There has been so...
 
4:28 AM
5 minutes to go...
Ta-da!
 
4:56 AM
Any thoughts?
 
5:14 AM
@JourneymanGeek I wondered that, but the PID or CPU time do not change.
 
5:48 AM
Fusion 8 is kinda cool.
 
my toaster will burst into flames if i try to use that
 
Lol.
 
hahaha
 
6:06 AM
I could see where this has potential.
 
my toaster is overheating just looking at all that randomness
 
same
 
agree
 
6:22 AM
:)
 
7:11 AM
Hilarious
 
7:22 AM
What's so funny?
 
@NathanOsman it is the act of slow motion in slow motion contrasting the dynamics of youth.
 
Ah.
That was hard to tell from your still image :P
 
we would not even notice the slow motion if not for the sports in the foreground ;)
 
Grr. LG has really bad products.
 
@Edity did you see my video?
 
7:31 AM
Nearly forgot
i was busy :P
I'M REALLY STEAMED RIGHT NOW.
 
No worries.
 
Just saw it.
GRR.
I JUST BROUGHT THIS WATCH.
AND IT KEEPS ON CRASHING ON ME.
ARRGH LIVECHAT IS OFFLINE
IM DONE
 
8:31 AM
@Zacharee1 Sorry, was sleeping...
On the week-end: yes, haven't had to work on the week-end for a few weeks now...
 
@terdon Please delete a comment with imgur link to the guys server IP askubuntu.com/q/840712/295286
 
he deleted it already?
 
had to refresh
cool
 
 
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9:56 AM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix They are using the no-repro/went away on its own flag. If the question doesn't have an accepted answer and it's more than two years old, OP has probably moved on and doesn't even have that version of Ubuntu anymore, thus making it pointless to try and answer. If OP posts an answer that says something like "I just reinstalled," then it needs to be closed. These flags are valid.
 
thanks @Zacharee1 ^
 
10:48 AM
unless it's a secret, 16.04.3 doesn't exist askubuntu.com/questions/840748/…
 
11:13 AM
I should have said a bigger thanks, because i didnt do justice to my feels @Zacharee1 ... thank you very much for your votes & your support.
 
And @Zacharee1, if OP was a software developer with Canonical, they'd know how to update Ubuntu :)
 
??
 
11:52 AM
why would a mouse even need it o_o
@Zacharee1 I typically cringe when someone tells someone tells someone "this question is better on X"
Its probably a good idea to let them know how to move a question, and maybe suggest any triage
 
better suited
 
It would likely get closed on SU for being kinda NARQy
 
well it's still better suited there :p
 
buuut there's a ... good neighbourly way to do it
 
@Zacharee1 Remember the first rule of migrations: We. Don't. Migrate. CRAP.
That's OT anywhere on the network, including SU since it's "Hey, did anyone manage to do this?"
As strange as it may seem, SU does too have some standards! :P
 
12:04 PM
Hi there.
Wow, over 160 votes in 8 days on that sudo insults question... This is just crazy.
 
12:18 PM
@terdon Whaaaaaat
 
@Zacharee1 I kid you not.
 
@ByteCommander 20-a-day
 
I do have >30k rep in the place, after all.
 
@terdon but seriously, I thought that would be on-topic there, with a bit of editing.
 
That was my first SE home. Sniff.
 
12:19 PM
@terdon Whaaaaaat
I tried to use Super User, I really did, but the questions there...
shudders
 
@Zacharee1 Not really, no. I mean, it is currently just asking whether anyone else managed to do X. It would need a lot of editing.
@Zacharee1 Yeah, well. That's how I felt about AU :)
 
I just went to the homepage on Super User: -1,-1,0,0,3
 
AU and SU have the greatest percentage of crappy questions of any sites I frequent. With AU being the worse of the two, really.
 
@terdon but we get rid of em fast
 
Largely because Canonical shunts all its clueless users to us without explaining how the SE model works.
 
12:21 PM
We have a LOT more questions ;)
 
@Zacharee1 Unfortunately not. On some days I got up to 38 votes so many got capped away.
 
also, Super User has an easier time of getting on-topic questions, since a lot is on-topic there
@ByteCommander :(
 
@Zacharee1 on hold
 
@JourneymanGeek That's what I thought too but I just checked and, actually, AU gets slightly more questions per day or week than SU does
 
so if this is OT, does that mean this is too?
 
12:23 PM
@terdon overall ._.
not really
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah but wow, I was expecting an order of magnitude more Qs/day on SU than AU.
 
@JourneymanGeek should I just ping you with OT stuff on SU? I wonder if there's a proxymod badge... :p
 
@Zacharee1 No, you should flag or VTC
 
Just flag 'em
But the scope of SU is actually quite complex.
 
I do have a day job
 
12:24 PM
why does everyone ignore the almighty ":P"?
 
and the second question is a 'how do I do it?'
 
Like ours, understanding SU's scope requires careful reading of the help center and various posts on meta.
 
@Zacharee1 I had to deal with it so much its unfunny
 
@terdon this is why I think a question template would be a good idea
 
@JourneymanGeek what's the current consensus about tablet computers? I stopped being active on SU around the time that was being hashed out.
 
12:26 PM
Ours is pretty simple. Apart from all the questions that are not ontopic, the rest of them are ontopic.
 
isn't that computer hardware?
 
@terdon windows is fine, android and ipads are a grey area
 
@Zacharee1 Yeah, but it's very hard to make one for all the different types of questions we have.
 
@jokerdino hardyharhar
 
@JourneymanGeek Still grey, huh? Damn.
 
12:26 PM
@terdon did you see my Meta post?
 
@Zacharee1 Yes.
 
@terdon I personally don't like the community consensus on it
But I respect it
 
time to ask how to remote into my iPad from my Samsung Tab on Super User
 
That said, I rarely see android/arm and ipad questions on SU
 
@terdon I think it's general enough to fit
 
12:27 PM
and windows RT is dead
(the little scamp)
 
@JourneymanGeek (thank God)
 
@Zacharee1 it's OK.
 
@Zacharee1 Ah, yes, sorry I was thinking of Tim's.
 
@JourneymanGeek Well that's because they get magnetized to apple.se and android.se
 
yanno what gets my goat?
Hackintosh questions
 
12:27 PM
@terdon I actually think it could fit most sites with a few changes
@JourneymanGeek @Downgoat?
 
We disallow them but its complicated
 
how so?
 
@Zacharee1 Yeah, that might be useful. Of course, the number of people who'd read it is negligible, but at least we'd have somewhere to point them to.
 
@Zacharee1 basically its against the TOS of the site
but its a vaguely twisty arguement
 
@terdon That was my plan. Instead of just saying "read the Help Center" (which even I'm foggy on), I can say "read this question template and follow it"
@JourneymanGeek you're being kind of vague yourself :p
 
12:29 PM
Precisely
 
no, vaguely
 
precisely vaguely
 
are you sure about the quality comparison, whoever said it?
SU: 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,-1,-1,-2,1,0
AU: 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0
 
You guys clearly don't DV enough ;)
 
-3.9 average vs 1
 
12:33 PM
Also, I'm not insulting anyone elses site :(
 
@JourneymanGeek reading the first two questions on su recent, I can say those would be closed and commented as unclear if they were on AU and about Ubuntu :p
@JourneymanGeek I thought this was a banterous site duel
 
is it? ahh
 
since when do I have 648 rep on su?
I wonder what happens if I enable Super User in my script...
OK, not terrible
it helps that it's similar to SO
hmm. I think I should make a beta branch
 
@Zacharee1 That has nothing to do with actual quality. It only shows how people have happened to voter in the last hour or so.
 
@terdon what happened to banterous site duel?
 
12:44 PM
@Zacharee1 People were getting hurt. Puppies even!
11 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
Also, I'm not insulting anyone elses site :(
 
10 mins ago, by Zacharee1
@JourneymanGeek I thought this was a banterous site duel
10 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
is it? ahh
 
Y U no like SU?
 
@terdon for all you know, I don't like AU either
 
@Zacharee1 Well, I do have a certain body of evidence suggesting otherwise :)
 
12:46 PM
maybe I use my 10k moderator powers for eeeeeeeevillllll
 
@JourneymanGeek That's not sad puppy eyes! That's Machiavellian, I'll-get-you-for-this-just-wait-until-you-grasp-the-fullness-of-my-nefarious-pla‌​n eyes!
 
@terdon you're on to me ;p
 
@Zacharee1 Well, I already use mine for weeeeeeeeeeeeevillllll. How much worse can it get?
@JourneymanGeek He does have a certain cold, calculating look there :)
 
@terdon he's a mini schnauzer. So that is plausible. ;p
 
Like, "Are you gonna gimme that cookie or ama gonna hafta rip your liver out?"
 
12:50 PM
"You sir, have some cheese. I want some cheese. I also know where you sleep at night"
 
I have also discovered, to my great surprise and pleasure, that you are vulnerable to damp noses. Buhahahahahah!
 
to the back of the knee, when you least expect it
 
Aye, little bastards.
And then you wake up all angry and they just sit there looking all cute and "what did I do?"
Damn. I miss my dogs :(
 
cute dog
 
appears
Guys I almost shocked to see -50. but that was in another SE site
 
12:58 PM
@KazWolfe I made a new branch for se-dark called beta. That's where I'm gonna try to make any future developments, which will be periodically merged into master. I also updated the main readme to point people to beta for development
@Anwar wat
 
I put a bounty yesterday on one of my SO questions. Forgot that for a moment.
 
oh
 
here it is stackoverflow.com/questions/40139848/… I think that 50 is a total lose.
 
@Anwar You'd be far more likely to get an answer if you provide a minimal reproducible example. Show the code you tried and how it failed and make it easy for people to just copy it and play with it.
As it stands, in order for anyone to answer your question, they need to write their own program from scratch for testing.
So, give example data and a program that loads that data and produces the wrong type of table, then ask how to get the right type.
 
@terdon Yeah. I planned to do so. Thanks for the suggestion
 
1:07 PM
It looks so easy to make a creepy horror clip...
:D
 
Why am I not surprised that everyone on the crew is male. . .
 
@terdon According to the interview here the female protagonist should originally have been wearing her birthday suit...
 
Of course she should. This is, after all, your classic adolescent male fantasy.
 
> No no no no no no, that's too much. You can actually rip someone's guts out and eat their brain, but you cannot show a nipple.
 
I think I kept my patience here askubuntu.com/questions/840810/…
 
1:24 PM
@Zacharee1 Tempted to leave a LMGTFY link...
 
yeah..
 
But actually people don't want them here.
They even block comments containing that.
 
whaaaaaat
 
Yup.
Luckily LMGTFY offers link shortening ;)
But it's not appreciated here.
 
noooo
 
1:26 PM
Well, yeah. It is incredibly condescending and rude. Yes, sometimes, it's a reasonable response but it also sometimes isn't. Even when it is, it is sure to cause offense and drama so why do it?
209
Q: Ban LMGTFY (let me google that for you) links

Johnno NolanI've just asked a question on Stack Overflow which was a prime candidate for googling. I admit it was a poor question and with a little bit of research I would have found the answer. It annoyed me that someone put a let-me-google-that-for-you link in the comments. It got right up my nose. I find...

 
@Zacharee1 ^
Oops, internet is lagging...
 
Kinda like answering all questions on AU with:
'Hey Megan, it's your father. How do I print out a flowchart?'
3
 
@terdon some people get offended when we leave a comment asking for clarification
@terdon o_O
too true
 
Yeah, true. If they do that, give them the LMGTFY link >:)
 
@terdon You know that it looks better if you directly link the xkcd comic and not the image link?
 
1:31 PM
@ByteCommander yeah, but I keep forgetting which one oneboxes
 
both. But the xkcd link also preserves the tooltip etc.
 
Yay! Got it.
 
And it's bigger :)
 
Questions with an answer that is trivial to find on Google are not helping the SO community. They are generating superfluous reputation, lowering the bar for asking genuine questions, and generally wasting people's time. Furthermore, the answers to these questions are almost always summarized, plagiarized or synthesized from the Google search results. Posting a LGTFY link is like tough love. It points the user to the right answer and does it in such a way that they will hopefully turn to Google for simple questions and SO for their more difficult questions. — Eric Aug 30 '09 at 17:36
If you decide to waste everyone elses' time with your trivial question, but thought your time was too valuable to even do a simple google search, I can't say I feel bad for your bruised ego. — Brad Mace Oct 5 '10 at 5:00
drama in the comments
 
Have to agree with those comments - except the sentence about superfluous reputation... ;)
 
1:38 PM
lmgtfy got an update...
@ByteCommander I have a limited amount of infinite bytes
 
idk
 
Let's do some review...
Did my 1400th LQ review. \o/
 
2:09 PM
Hmm this is an audit as I found by clicking the link to see context before making a decision, but it doesn't look like spam to me, looks like an answer... am I missing something? askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/633791
 
2:20 PM
@Zanna not sure if it's spam, but it's definitely NAA
 
shrug looks like YAA here. I guess I know nothing.
 
The question is how to change the system color from orange. The answer is "browse some themes!"
 
You can't change colours with themes?
 
You can, but there's almost definitely a better way than completely changing the way Ubuntu works
A better answer would be how to make your own theme
 
It's not something I would upvote, sure... but both of the links seem to be legit, and on the whole it looks more like an answer than not.
Never mind
 
2:43 PM
@KazWolfe @ByteCommander @edwinksl @Edity getting ready to run CoyoteBot now.
/iamthecaptainnow C5ABA6
!!/whoami
 
@MarkYisri Uh oh! I ran into a problem :(. See the console for more details.
 
Hmm, seams like we've got some action!
!!/iamthecaptainnow C5ABA6
 
!!/whoami
 
@MarkYisri Uh oh! I ran into a problem :(. See the console for more details.
 
2:45 PM
!!/getfilters
 
@MarkYisri The command !!/getfilters does not exist.
 
!!/getfilter
 
Words on the filter blacklist:


Words on the filter whitelist:
 
It's working! except for the !!/whoami command
@CoyoteBot !!/whoami
 
no botty here please.
 
2:46 PM
@jokerdino I can move it if you'd prefer
Should I make a custom room?
 
Go to UR. It's the regulation bot room now
(Ubuntu Regulators)
 
Okay. Thanks @Zacharee1
@KazWolfe @ByteCommander @edwinksl @Edity moving to Ubuntu Regulators
Anyone want to have fun with CoyoteBot, head to Ubuntu Regulators.
I'm running it off a Cloud9 server if you want more details.
@Rinzwind interested in CoyoteBot?
@KazWolfe there's a pull request
on GitHub
 
@Zacharee1 what? No.
 
@jokerdino why not?
 
@jokerdino as long as the bot is going to actually help regulate the site, I thought it was fine
 
2:54 PM
It's currently a fork of WolfBot, but it could change..
 
if it's not going to help moderate AU, then move it to Sandbox
 
I disagree that it's a bot room.
regulation? then ok maybe.
 
@jokerdino @Zacharee1 So is it Sandbox or Ubuntu Regulators
 

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