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HP used to have a reputation for its lowish end products mysteriously failing as soon as the warantee runs out. No idea if that's still the case, if it ever was.

RPi Awesomeness

That's kinda what I'm worried about

But, so long as it lasts me the next 3 years I'm fine

Only thing with that one is it's a 17"...might be a bit big

Journeyman Geek

@terdon my mini 11 seems solid so far

@RPiAwesomeness is this for school?

RPi Awesomeness

@JourneymanGeek Yes and no

Journeyman Geek

ahh

terdon

@JourneymanGeek OK, as I said, that was just something I'd heard thrown around. I know the high end HP servers used in my old lab were excellent.

Journeyman Geek

12:26 AM

If its just for school, I would recommend one of those 11/13 inch bay (cherry?) trail netbooks

terdon

I'd still recommend Lenovo if you can get one. Great hardware.

RPi Awesomeness

It's going to be my laptop from now on for everything, but I need it to last through at least my first two years of college. So in that sense, yes.

Journeyman Geek

11 inches is a good weight for not breaking your back.

terdon

I found 14 to be a great compromise. Large enough to use easily, small enough to carry and you can always get a cheap external screen as well.

Seth

but 11 inches will break your eyes..

Journeyman Geek

12:27 AM

Not really

10 inches will

RPi Awesomeness

@terdon That's kinda what I was hoping to get

Journeyman Geek

and the bay/cherry trail netbooks are super light, cheap and the HP I have has a good keyboard

terdon

@RPiAwesomeness Why don't you? Personally, I feel the 17 inch screen defeats the purpose of having a laptop in the first place. That's going to be heavy and cumbersome.

RPi Awesomeness

@terdon Because that deal is for a 17" :P

terdon

Ah, and that is indeed a good deal.

Seth

12:30 AM

@RPiAwesomeness ofc, you could get that Lenovo we talked about for roughly the same price (or a little less).

Journeyman Geek

What @terdon said

Also large laptops often have worse battery life

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth Yeah. However, it's not nearly as good

Seth

few tradeoffs for Lenovo brand + 15.6" screen.

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah

Journeyman Geek

Oh, thinkpad lenovo or ideapad lenovo?

RPi Awesomeness

12:31 AM

Thinkpad

Journeyman Geek

ahh, then its better

terdon

Precioussssss

Journeyman Geek

used to love thinkpads before they messed up the keyboards, and I suppose superfish

RPi Awesomeness

8GB vs 16 GB (NBD, I've got 8 in my desktop & it's fine), R7 260 vs 850M (NBD, not doing any heavy gaming), 500GB HDD vs 1TB HDD. For $70 less

amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-20DF0040US-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/… <-- for those who care

Journeyman Geek

8 is enough for most use imo

RPi Awesomeness

12:32 AM

Yeah

terdon

With a thinkpad, you'll be able to look your Apple fan boy friends in the eye and almost match them for hardware quality.

Zacharee1

@terdon ohhhh

RPi Awesomeness

I might just get that one. Then maybe I can get a mech keyboard :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

terdon

@JourneymanGeek Have you tried the new ones? I pseudo typed on one and it wasn't bad. Not as good as the one on my old t450 but not bad.

Zacharee1

12:33 AM

@RPiAwesomeness if you don't need the higher end, don't get the higher end

RPi Awesomeness

Just wish I could get some form of student discount or something

Journeyman Geek

@terdon I typically hate chicklet keyboards.

There's ONE chicklet keyboard I consider usable. (HP oddly enough)

terdon

Yeah, me too. But it felt nice and solid. And it's only slightly chickletted.

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness Apple has discounts, but then you'd probably only be down to the price of what you're looking at

terdon

As I recall they kept most of the same hardware under the keys so the feel is still very good.

Zacharee1

12:34 AM

Chicklet?

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 Yeah, not getting an Apple device. Too much moolah for too little

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 "island" style flat keys, ala apple.

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness :p

RPi Awesomeness

You're effectively paying for a brand name

Journeyman Geek

as opposed to proper scalloped keys

Seth

12:34 AM

Lenovo's chiclet keyboard is pretty nice.

also, it's "chiclet" guys :P

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek Oh, I hate those. The keys just rip off (and I have cats)

@Seth I thought so

@RPiAwesomeness Beats, anyone?

Funny how they're also owned by Apple

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 Meh, don't use speakers like ever

Journeyman Geek

I have an older (cherry blue) blackwidow

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness The only things I would miss is less RAM (easy fix), no backlit keyboard, less HDD space (easy fix).

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah

And I can get it for $600 brand new on eBay

Seth

12:35 AM

oh and maybe 1 less USB port.

terdon

@RPiAwesomeness Well, yes and no. They really, really know how to make hardware. The quality of those things is ridiculous. Yes, the specs you can find for half the price elsewhere but not with that level of excellence in the hardware.

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness do it then. Upgrading the HDD and RAM for the $100 shouldn't be too hard.

RPi Awesomeness

@terdon True.

Seth

esp. if you sell the old parts.

terdon

Mind you, I was given a choice between a high end mac and a high end Dell, both for free and I chose the Dell.

RPi Awesomeness

12:36 AM

@Seth Yeah

@terdon Curious, why'd you do that?

Linux support?

Terrance

I choose the Dell too! =)

Zacharee1

Wait, I thought chiclet keys were slightly different. I'm fine with the ones you can't get a fingernail under, but the Aspire 5740's keyboard is terrible. It couldn't be easier to just pick one off

Journeyman Geek

I can't type at all on my brother's asus or most macs

terdon

@RPiAwesomeness Yeah. I seriously considered switching to OSX but didn't want the hassle. Plus, I knew I was going to install Linux on the damn thing eventually anyway.

RPi Awesomeness

I'm gonna wait for black friday just to watch for deals, but I'll watch that ThinkPad.

If I don't see anything better (read cheaper for ~same specs) I'll just grab that ThinkPad

Zacharee1

12:49 AM

Do you ever have those "discussions" online where one party says something different from the popular opinion, saying they're right because they're the outlier, but all they can do is repeat on statement and not actually provide any relevant evidence?

Like here (read from that page on): community.verizonwireless.com/thread/…

gurr

Journeyman Geek

At some point, I'd back away slowly

Zacharee1

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You don't know me. I have to get my point across, but it's hard when the other person(s) just ignore all evidence presented

Journeyman Geek

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Ravan

@ParanoidPanda Yes, I use. I have same problem.

@Zacharee1 o/

Zacharee1

\o

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Neil

1:07 AM

Hello :)

Zacharee1

@Neil ಠ_ಠ

:p

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 ಠ_ಠ

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Seth

@Fabby @Ravan just fyi, this is not off-topic:

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Q: If I'm trying out xenial nightly, will apt-get upgrade keep me current?

I'm trying out the xenial nightly, and I'm wondering if I have to download a new nightly once in a while to keep up to date, or if running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will keep me current. (PS: Could someone with a higher rep please make a 16.04 tag?)

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 （　ﾟДﾟ）

Seth

1:17 AM

it isn't specific to a development release. It applies to running a dev. release in general.

Just edit out the xenial specific bits.

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness
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RPi Awesomeness

xD

Fail

Nice :)

Zacharee1

idk what you're talking about :p

Ravan

@Seth thanks =), reading again

btw evening :)

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Neil

1:18 AM

^.^

Seth

@Ravan 'evening

Neil

@Ravan Evening

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness I just see squares on the sides

@RPiAwesomeness ō_ô

Ravan

@Neil Hello :)

Zacharee1

õ_õ

A new one

RPi Awesomeness

1:20 AM

@Zacharee1 I need to remember that one. I make that face IRL all the time

Zacharee1

:p

Neil

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Q: It's about Hardware support

I need Help, is this my pc specs, compatible to ubuntu? But the Motherboard Manufacturer website said. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4492&dl=1&RWD=0#sp I did tried once installing Ubuntu, but since I failed to connect a windows pc and Ubuntu pc via Network, I end up ins...

drivers

Zacharee1

:] <-- robot smile

@Neil They seem to not know the difference between hardware and software

Neil

@Zacharee1 yes

Zacharee1

That ain't how networking works

Neil

1:23 AM

any one know if it should be flagged or Voted off topic @Ravan

Ravan

@Neil Already Rinz commented

dharamija

@kos can we chat for a couple minutes?

Zacharee1

1:40 AM

hmm, he's here...

KGIII

2:11 AM

Someone mentioned Dell and Superfish earlier. It appears that they're up to Lenovo's old tricks with a new variation that's very similar to Superfish.

Heh, there.

Seth

2:28 AM

This is why I always do a clean Windows install if I plan on keeping Windows around at all.

Journeyman Geek

Also helps dump any crapware they have installed.

Zacharee1

I thought Lenovo made it so Superfish was automatically installed when Windows is

KGIII

Amen @both of you. I used to have an MSDN subscription and would do a non-OEM install and then I'd install Linux on a partition. For quite a while now, I just install Linux and wipe the Windows OS that came on it. It's sometimes a hassle to get the OS-free version of a laptop but I typically buy whitebox PCs so there's that.

@Zacharee1 I don't know if that was Superfish or not? I'd have to double check. One OEM just recently had it revealed that they were foisting their "support" software onto a clean install - IIRC.

Chan-Ho Suh

Re: the narkoz hacker-scripts, I have some scripts like that ... wonder if putting them up publicly is more likely to get me a cool job, or hurt me at my current job ;-)

actually I could probably use a twilio script to message my manager to say I'm stuck on the subway, as it's hard to get connection there

dharamija

2:54 AM

@Zacharee1 Zacharee, I'm new, did I miss a response from you re: Kos?

Zacharee1

What do you mean?

dharamija

I posted a Hello to Kos.......your post immediately followed with hmmmmm he's here.....

Zacharee1

3:14 AM

Well he was "seen" 11 seconds beforehand (You can see that by clicking their name)

But he wasn't responding

What did you need help with?

hbdgaf

3:24 AM

Anyone seen @Ravan ? I'm wondering what he finds unsatisfactory with my answer here

Zacharee1

@hbdgaf you mean @Rinzwind?

Ravan

3:50 AM

@hbdgaf Hello :)

Chan-Ho Suh

maybe Ravan would like a worked-out example :D

Ravan

@Chan-HoSuh Hello :)

Chan-Ho Suh

@Ravan whaddup

Ravan

Hey, Its takes time for me to recognize

Nice pic

Chan-Ho Suh

my pic?

Ravan

3:54 AM

yup

Chan-Ho Suh

yeah well the previous one was ancient and made people think I still lived in a dark cave, so I figured a pic that showed I had been outside was better

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