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12:23 AM
@Seth there's not such thing as too far MUHAHAHAHAHA
@ThomasW. U NOT WANT STEAM APPS?
 
12:43 AM
@JourneymanGeek really?
 
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Q: Why are the moderator elections only self nominations?

TrailRiderIf I am understanding the AU page about the Mod. elections, the only nominees that we will have the opportunity to vote on will be ones that have nominated themselves. Could someone please explain the logic in that? I ask because I have 2 users in mind that I see are very active and I think wo...

 
@AskUbuntuMeta I'm too tired to reply to this without yelling.
No offence.
 
heh... buddy first election
(not first mine since I followed arqade)
 
Nominating someone else is never a good idea - they have the responsibility in the end, it's their choice.
You can poke people and nudge them into nominating themself, but being pushed out there when you don't even want to be there ... that is a terrible thing.
 
mmmh
 
12:50 AM
Can't sleep, huh?
 
post here, get internet points
@FEichinger
[Here is a userscript][1] written by [FEichinger][2] that adds a comment link onto the election pages.

![enter image description here][3]

[1]: http://vad-systems.de/projects/stack/userscripts/election.user.js
[2]: http://askubuntu.com/users/98085/feichinger
[3]: http://i.stack.imgur.com/Bo45J.png
*rolls over and falls back to sleep*
 
@kalina o/
 
I don't need credit
 
Did you seriously just edit my post just for ... Oh geez, GO BACK TO SLEEP.
 
I removed my comment
DON'T FUCK WITH ME WHEN I'M LESS THAN 5% AWAKE
fires
death
apocalypse
 
12:55 AM
You shouldn't be awake at all.
 
%5 doesnt' bcarely count
 
...
Sleep. Now.
Hush.
 
@Braiam really.
 
I cnat upvote it until stomrrow
voets.. non
 
@FEichinger AU also has that COC requirement
 
12:58 AM
merde
sommeil
 
Stop the French and go back to sleep for heaven's sake.
@JourneymanGeek Well, yeh, there's that, too.
 
@Braiam: if nothing else, you have a boatload of rep and activity, and you're better than a good fraction of candidates that are standing now
 
Looking over the other meta Qs about the election links ... I love how I have the shortest solution.
15 lines, with lots of pointless linebreaks.
And without jQuery, too!
Because fuck jQuery.
 
flags
jQuery solves anything! Except everything it dosen't solve!
 
And it's bloated like hell.
 
1:09 AM
jQuery, 34kB of awesomeness
 
I prefer myself some native JS calls. Except for the part where cross-browser compatibility goes down the drain, but that usually isn't a problem.
I mean, it's not that hard to stick to the DOM ...
And seeing how I actually have most of the DOM memorized, it's not that hard to code for it either.
But JS sucks no less.
 
as much as php ;)
 
Oh, PHP definitely does suck.
It's a mess.
A pile of crap piled onto crap.
Well, actually not piled onto crap, just piled onto Perl ... So, I guess that makes it crap piled onto magic.
But here's the thing: If you know what you're doing, you can do magic with PHP.
If you know what you're doing, the best you can do with JS is not piss all over your project with it.
 
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Q: PPTP VPN connected but no internet connection

GaptonI have followed this guide to setup a pptp VPN server in Ubuntu (which is a VM in a Windows Host, bridged adapters): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PPTPServer My usage of the VPN is to overcome geoblock as I will be travelling to China. I can connect to the VPN on my Android phone using the ...

 
Speaking of PHP ... Consider committing to the Wikis A51 proposal.
 
1:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek The only thing jQuery can't solve is Jon Skeet. The only thing that can solve jQuery is Jon Skeet.
@FEichinger yes yes, this isn't his first nomination. I personally think it's ridiculous, but whatever shrug.
@JourneymanGeek I agree with this. Matter of fact I probably won't vote for someone who never comes to chat.
Okay, enough bringing dead conversations to life. Time to make dinner.
 
1:55 AM
@Braiam That only applies onto the Ubuntu Dev team, the people who're actually listed on the dev team
not PPU people and non-devs
@FEichinger and I saw your comment, but as I"m stuck on my phone, I can't answer without iOS being stupid and "refocusing the screen" so I can't read the comment as I type.
i'll comment once comcast stabilizes
(it's being stupid again)
 
No worries, I'm not expecting quick answers on any of them.
 
I might not respond until after work tomorrow :/
since COmcast has no ETA on them fixing their crap
blah screw it
/me tethers his computer to his phone and borrows the data plan
it won't be as fast but at least it'll be stable...
it'll be REALLY expensive though
 
I told you, I'm not expecting quick answers ...
 
i'm bored
and i have a cup of coffee
what else am i going to do
besides, i have SRU things to do too
 
... But then don't complain about it being "REALLY expensive".
'cause that sure as hell ain't my fault.
 
2:07 AM
meh
 
And I really need to switch off the vibrate on notifications on my phone and tablet ...
 
it's because Comcast is evil
 
Why do people write posts that have no formatting? They know it looks awful...
 
@Seth you should run for mod.
 
Maybe I will.. :)
You aren't the first person to tell me to.
 
2:10 AM
I want to at least have competition. As it stands, if it's just me and these other three who are nominees because they self nominated, I'm probably the most likely to get votes :/
(and I really want to see some people who are DECENT to run, other than just me)
 
@ThomasW. I agree with that for the most part.
 
... bah, my chroots are busted again
 
I need to figure out what those are..
 
A chroot on Unix operating systems is an operation that changes the apparent root directory for the current running process and its children. A program that is run in such a modified environment cannot name (and therefore normally not access) files outside the designated directory tree. The term "chroot" may refer to the chroot(2) system call or the chroot(8) wrapper program. The modified environment is called a "chroot jail". History The chroot system call was introduced during development of Version 7 Unix in 1979, and added to BSD by Bill Joy on 18 March 1982 â€“ 17 months before 4....
@Seth these chroots are specific for sbuild though, which helps to build debian packages
 
@Braiam If you decide to run for moderator, do you think the fact that you run debian will be a problem? I'm just curious..
 
2:12 AM
and they're busted
 
@ThomasW. thanks
 
@Seth you're welcome.
@FEichinger i responded. You're right, though, mod power doesn't add much to the tools I already have. Except things that have 8 Not an Answer flags don't get flushed from the queue. So then we have stuff still there that needs to be removed.
My goal is to help out in slow periods where our mods aren't around (kinda like now!) and help move the queue and other things along
 
And moving answers to comments.. That is one of my new pet peeves.
 
@Seth it needs to be done for some but not all not-an-answers :/
 
@ThomasW. ofc
Anyone seen Jorge lately? He hasn't been around.
 
2:20 AM
he's made his presence known on the community team channel on IRC on occasion
but i haven't seen him around here as much
 
AU has changed, and I don't think I like it :(
 
Yep.
 
@Seth it's still better than the forums, IMO
the forums still "help" with some EOL release questions
(they shouldn't)
 
@ThomasW. OMW YES! But I meant Community wise..
 
truth.
I think part of it is that people don't bother actually searching the site to see if their problem already exists or has a solution
which adds to the general noise
 
2:23 AM
Can we just close this as silly? kthxbai.
@ThomasW. Worse, they don't even care.
I've taken to downvoting questions more so they get deleted more.
 
@ThomasW. Meh, that can't be fixed. People will always ask dupes.
What we can - and should - do is identify and close the dupes.
 
@user246563 Read the answer. He just said there was nothing else you could do. — Seth 8 secs ago
facepalm
My palm is getting to know my face a lot better these days..
 
@Seth I think your desk wants to get to know your face more, though
 
@ThomasW. hmm.. perhaps.
 
@Seth heheh
(removed)
 
2:28 AM
This is my new favorite:
 
@Seth YOU RUINED IT.
 
WHY DOESN"T MY COPY PASTE WORK ANYMORE
 
@Seth your computer hates you muahahahahahahah
nah, actually, it's probably the weird chrome bug going around Linux
 
Okay, this is my new favorite:
 
heh
 
2:29 AM
I'm sure at least @hbdgaf would get it.
 
jrg
@Seth hogans heroes? I think?
 
@jrg correct.
 
@jrg ... You're excused, you're too young.
(For the "I think?", that is.)
 
People sometimes make me sad by posting answers that basically just say the same thing as an already-accepted answer, but with a post that is so many magnitudes worse quality. :/
 
@FEichinger Wait, two years and you have the right to excuse people for that?
 
jrg
2:32 AM
@FEichinger hey, it's not that good a shot.
 
@ThomasW. Just jrgelete it.
 
jrg
@Seth score!
 
@jrg :P
 
@Seth Yes.
 
@Seth doesn't that involve fire of some kind?
 
2:33 AM
@ThomasW. Wait.. I'm about 3 weeks to early aren't I?
 
@Seth mhm
 
@FEichinger make me laugh.
 
What?
 
@ThomasW. That Q has three answers that are just about the same.
 
@Seth True, but because of the awful timestamping i can't tell the exact time of acceptance or when which answer came first :/
i only saw the one i linked on the flags queue
for lowqual
 
2:35 AM
I can tell.
The accepted was first by about 10 minutes.
 
@Seth share the methods for finding it out on a phone
since that's where i'm stuck at the moment because my computer battery died
 
@ThomasW. /posts/{question id}/timeline should work.
 
Actually, I got that backwords. The accepted answer was posted after the first answer.. it was just better.
@ThomasW. I'm not on a phone :-/
@FEichinger good idea.
 
@FEichinger Thank you. They should add that as a link for people over a certain amount of rep. I could probably add it with a GM script but meh
i'll put "timeline" right after the other tool links I see (share edit close flag)
 
@ThomasW. I was actually gonna write a script for that at one point.
 
2:38 AM
@FEichinger i'll give you all the money in my wallet to write a script that does it.
that comes to...
counts
 
$0?
 
... one dollar and fifty cents.
 
ERMERGERD!
 
@jrg Time for a mod to make a quick run through the VTC queue again :-/
 
yep
and the flags queue
 
2:45 AM
This is epic:
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Q: "On your keyboard, idiot!" - clickable scolding <kbd>s

michaelb958 tags. --> Screenshot / Code Snippet About July 2, 2009. Complaints are raised on Meta Stack Overflow over the styling of <kbd> tags. One helpful commenter humorously suggested that Now all they need is an onclick handler to make them look like you are pressing them. Then an alert box p...

 
2:57 AM
 
@FEichinger Error: Userscript Not Trusted.
:/
 
Well, yeh, of course.
 
no, i mean, it's blocked from being installed from anywhere
even on GM
and i have that on low rsecurity
 
@FEichinger Why the strange selection of sites?
 
@Seth I just picked the most recent list I could find.
It's the same one I used for the election script.
 
2:59 AM
I see.. alright.
 
there we go
@FEichinger where should i send the money :p
w00t it works
you should put this on stackapps or wherever :P
 
I hate StackApps.
 
then put it on userscripts.org
or just let me freely distribute it under the GPLv3 :P
 
I used to put stuff on userscript.org ... But then I stopped bothering.
 
or, put it on github
meh
as long as you don't mind me using it :)
 
3:01 AM
@ThomasW. Oh, hey, that's actually an idea
I need something to populate my github account with.
 
heheh
 
lol.
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Q: Ubuntu Server 12.04 PC crashes when writing to disk

user3292312i have the following setup: Intel D915PGN, Pentium 4 @ 3Ghz 800FSB, ATI Radeon x600, 1GB RAM DDR1 333Hz, Seagate SATA HD 160GB, DVD-Drive, ATX 400W. I tried to install Ubuntu 12.04 Server (32-bit i386) from CD. (Checksum ok) HD is correctly recognized. I get to confirm the partitioning config ...

hardware problem?
 
i'd be booting and then grepping dmesg.
 
meh, I'm skipping that one.
 
also whoever's voting to close it as offtopic, it's not offtopic, and it's probably NOT a bug but more likely a hardware issue
VTC as unclear instead
because it's kinda ambiguous
@FEichinger name the repository random-useless-junk
lol, not really.
 
3:11 AM
Hmm. I'm just 280 rep away from 10k.
I wonder if I can answer another super answer.
 
@Seth dude......
you're in a lot of chat rooms here...
o.o
 
yep.
You should see jrg.
 
s/jrg/any chosen CM/
 
lol
 
(they're probably more places than jrg is)
 
3:13 AM
There, I shaved two rooms off that list. They were frozen/deleted anyway.
rebooting brb.
back
 
@ThomasW. You decided to run! \o/
 
@NathanOsman Indeed.
 
@ThomasW. github.com/FEichinger/sescripts Now I remember why I hate GitHub.
 
@NathanOsman pledging your support to my becoming a moderator early by the compliments, are we? :P
@FEichinger git > bzr though
 
bzr.. why does anyone even use that anyway?
 
3:23 AM
@Seth ubuntu
 
oh wait.. canonical again.
 
and launchpad.net
yep.
 
I didn't ask who
 
I just git stuff from Debian. then I debuild -S
 
@ThomasW. Oh, definitely. But I usually use bitbucket, or my own server. GitHub is annoying as fuck - I actually use their GUI app because it's better than messing with it commandline.
 
3:23 AM
then sbuild -d RELEASE --arch=ARCH PACKAGE*.dsc
then put the built binaries into arepository.
@FEichinger on windows I use SourceTree from Atlassian for git stuff
on Ubuntu, I just beat everything manually
 
Hmm.. can you start a script earlier than /etc/init.d?
 
@Seth in the kernel maybe
 
mmm.
 
but then it has to be a kernel module
 
and C
 
3:26 AM
mhm
 
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Q: win 8.1 transfer to Unbuntu (Lenix)

Dr LeyI downloaded Unbuntu to my new Toshiba laptop and upon startup it asks which system I want to boot up - but Unbuntu (Lenix) will not boot up. What do I have to do to solve this? By the way, I'm disabled and know very little machine language. I want to use Unbuntu because it is smoother and my ...

 
"Unbuntu (Lenix)" Uh huh ...
 
thanks for responding! — ALAN 23 secs ago
O_o
 
... Why, yes ... thank you for reading, too, I guess.
 
let's say i want to watch a foreign-language movie — ALAN 12 secs ago
HALP
He's pressing enter D:
 
3:36 AM
... Oh.
Shit.
 
I'd probably flag his comments with a custom comment stating that he's abusing the comments system
 
 
but that's just me right now
 
ok i undrstnd. [sic]
 
@FEichinger: GitHub or Git?
 
3:37 AM
@Seth *unerstand
@NathanOsman Huh?
 
Which is it you hate?
 
@FEichinger see edit >.<
 
I hate GitHub.
 
that's like the only uncapitalized 'I' that I have ever posted in chat.
 
How come?
 
3:38 AM
I have my fair share of problems with git, too, but it's just GitHub that I hate.
 
@NathanOsman Pretty much similar reasons as Torvalds stated back in his rant. Add on top the fact that they manage to overcomplicate a web interface for git of all things.
And my tablet is a vibrator again. Thank you, SE app.
 
"Torvalds." "Rant." I won't ask.
 
@FEichinger just turn notifications off.
 
@Seth Sometimes I want to get them.
 
And, the problem isn't so much that I'm getting notifications.
It's that the app has a bug.
If the notification is dismissed in some way before it's pushed, the thing hangs and vibrates for ~10 seconds, constantly switching between pushing the notification to Android and retracting it.
 
That sounds like a bug.
 
@NathanOsman I'd report it, if I could reproduce and identify it. :/
 
learn java.
ducks
 
I know Java.
I hate Java.
 
3:43 AM
Add me to the Java-haters list.
 
I don't hate Java. Yet.
 
If I want a compiled language, I use C++. If not, I use Python.
 
@Seth You will soon enough.
@NathanOsman This.
Seriously, nowadays there's nothing Java actually excels at.
Its platform-compatibility was sacrificed when external drivers came into play.
Its speed was never really an advantage with all of its memory leaks.
 
The language is an unmitigated disaster.
 
The only use of Java I see nowadays is teaching people OOD.
 
3:46 AM
Hmm.. hiring more Skeets and Castros. That sounds like a solution. — Seth 5 secs ago
 
@FEichinger Python is much better at that anyway.
 
@NathanOsman Meeeeeeeeh.
If you truly want to go down to the basics of OOD, Java sure does have the structure inherently. Python ... not so much.
@Seth To be fair, that question is the precise reason I never raised this issue on meta.
The community has become a different place, and it shows - even on meta.
 
Ahh.. Right.
I think it all started about the time Nathan changed his name.
(or so)
 
> Apart from that, large amount is probably due to [duplicate] nature of flagging, even if the duplicate question is out of date or irrelevant.
Has nothing to do with the issue.
In fact, duplicate closures don't happen enough.
 
Java:
import java.io.*;

class Program {
    private void doSomething() {
        System.out.print("Hello, world!");
    }

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        Program p = new Program();
        p.doSomething();
    }
}
Python:
class Program:
    def do_something():
        print 'Hello, world!'

Program().do_something()
You be the judge.
 
3:50 AM
And if we'd get proper duplicate closures, we'd also have up-to-date information in the target.
2
 
I don't compare interpreted with compiled. You use one for one thing, another for another.
 
Both Java and Python are "interpreted" languages in a sense. Neither is compiled to machine code until run.
 
> Declare martial law like they do on Arch forums, don't answer newbies unless they read 200 wiki pages :) Maybe even close them. That's how SO does it. SO isn't doing much better than this site, it's just that they close so many questions
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.
 
@NathanOsman Besides, can't you use static for your class?
 
In what?
 
3:52 AM
The problem isn't new users, and we sure as hell shouldn't force them to wade through the entire Help Center and the search function, when we have perfectly fine tools to handle their crap questions.
 
err method.
 
We just need to use those tools.
 
class Program {
    private static void doSomething() {
        System.out.print("Hello, world!");
    }
like that --^
 
I could, but then I'd need to modify the Python sample to do something similar.
 
I thought we were comparing length..
 
3:53 AM
class Program:
    @classmethod
    def do_something(cls):
        print "Hello, world!"
IIRC.
 
but whatever. We should totally stop this and use jQuery.
 
RIGHT.
 
That depends on what's in the zipfile.. — Seth 6 secs ago
Why do I think I'm talking to someone who doesn't know how to use a computer?
 
Because you probably are?
 
$.fn.doSomething = function() { console.log("Hello, world!"); };
There. jQuery.
 
3:55 AM
vomit
 
hands @FEichinger a vanilla bean
or should be do coffeescript now >:D
 
...
 
how do I restart the usb module?
 
closes tab
 
3:56 AM
@Andrew the kernel module?
 
reopens @FEichinger's tab
 
Yes
I think
 
@NathanOsman ò.ó
 
It worked, no?
 
I'd just remove it and re-add it:

sudo modprobe -r <module>
sudo modprobe <module>
Might not be the best way but it should work.
a foreign-language movie's english subtitles. just the text — ALAN 41 secs ago
<insert facepalm here>
 
3:59 AM
@Seth Ubuntu gnome remix 13.10 is a bit buggy and my brother was being a troll and remove the wireless reader for my headset in the usb, and It isn't reading it anymore, and i don't feel like restarting the os.
 
@seth thoughs commands dosn't work "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'"
 

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