Game Development

PearsonArtPhoto

1:12 AM

@Tyyppi_77 If it doesn't matter if the prisoners die or live, you might want to not have them die.

Also, when I run it, it has a popup displayed, that seems a bit odd...

Chris McFarland

need to be able to pick them up and use them as shields

PearsonArtPhoto

A security thing, will try to capture it if I can. Don't know if you can do anything about it, but... It asks if I want to give it permission to make changes on my computer. That will scare away some people.

Another thing: Some way to change directions when firing would be helpful. I'm not quite sure how that should work, but...

Stephane Hockenhull

ugh, I went down the completely wrong path for object updates in my editor. 3 hours gone.

Also
template< class InputIt >
void std::set::insert( InputIt first, InputIt last );

Is a $%^$% pain to use.

it gets confused with iterator insert( const_iterator hint, const value_type& value );

YAY. I got update!

PearsonArtPhoto

1:37 AM

Another small annoyance. You should really advance to the next level automatically on the map.

Also, a small tap might be a way to change directions without actually moving.

There are many times that would be nice...

Stephane Hockenhull

Screencast 2017 02 23 21:34:32

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The blue outline doesn't update yet but the level object regenerates.

Chris McFarland

cool

Stephane Hockenhull

@Tyyppi_77 ^^^

it's almost an editor now :D

Chris McFarland

okay I finished a Wii U update today
now I gotta wait
and then in a couple weeks I'll probably get failed due to some language issue I had no idea about, make a change and then wait another 2 weeks

Stephane Hockenhull

I need to hook up CTRL+S to xml->Write() then it'll be an actual editor :P

PearsonArtPhoto

1:42 AM

@Tyyppi_77 Last thing, for now. The grenades for the enemies that have them seem a bit overpowered. I have yet to find one that didn't blow itself up.

Stephane Hockenhull

@ChrisMcFarland
*twitches*

Stop bringing back bad memories

Chris McFarland

heh

Stephane Hockenhull

The best is when they invent new rules that they haven't yet updated their rulebook with.

Chris McFarland

Steam and mobile is so easy compared to console stuff :/

lol...... :(

but that's alright. back to Tallowmere 2 for now

Stephane Hockenhull

Or when they reject your game for 3 months of sound fix requests before they admit that it's not actually on the GameBoy Color that it has the audio bug but their new YET-TO-BE-RELEASED Game Boy Advance.

Chris McFarland

1:45 AM

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy

Stephane Hockenhull

..... yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuup.

And a very small batch of 1st gen GB Color that had an unfixable defect in double-clock mode.

Chris McFarland

;__;

I can only imagine what developing for hardware like that would be like

Stephane Hockenhull

which made the music sound very slightly different. not off tune, just that sometimes it picked the wrong square wave duty ratio.

3 months.

Chris McFarland

:(

Stephane Hockenhull

Then there's a non-nintendo console that had good carefully picked DDR ram chips in the dev and test kits and not-so-good ones in the home consoles that ran slower making FMV movie decoding stutter horribly with no way to know, no way to test.

Chris McFarland

1:54 AM

far out

Stephane Hockenhull

The fun of console deving :P

Chris McFarland

>______________<

I am keen to get T2 done enough to do Steam Early Access I think one day

and ride that for a long while

Entering the world of console development has opened my eyes as to how bloody hard it is :)

Stephane Hockenhull

I'll probably do a few months of early access just to work out the driver bugs on integrated graphics I don't have access to :|

Chris McFarland

heh

Sie

@Tyyppi_77 Are you doing some kind of beta?

Stephane Hockenhull

2:00 AM

Right now it renders fine on Windows: nVidia, AMD, Linux: All open and proprietary drivers, OSX: All (last I tested OSX)

And it renders a black screen with a diagonal line on Windows Intel drivers.

Same hardware under Linux: perfect rendering.

Sie

What renderer do you use primarily?

Stephane Hockenhull

I only have an OpenGL renderer for now.

Intel is essentially forcing me to write a DirectX renderer just for them...

Sie

Is there a chance the hardware you're testing on is so shite it doesn't support that?

Stephane Hockenhull

No, like I said, same hardware under linux works 100%

Sie

Oh right.

Stephane Hockenhull

2:03 AM

And it also renders fine on the Raspberry Pi (OpenGL ES)

albeit very slowly

Sie

I've been wanting a Pi but I have no real use for it.

Stephane Hockenhull

I just use it to test my engine on ARM/OpenGL ES in case I ever do a mobile game again...

Or a PS4 game

XBox One and the buggy Intel drivers are the only reason I'd need to do a Direct X renderer. I'd rather spend that time on a Vulkan renderer.

Chris McFarland

mmmm

user92578

9:10 AM

@PearsonArtPhoto That's a stupid Steam bug, there's a workaround but I haven't gotten around to it yet. It installs DirectX stuff

user92578

@StephaneHockenhull Looks awesome!

user92578

@Sie Yeah, add me on Steam (same nick as here), I have a few keys left

Blue Bug

10:35 AM

6

A: Why can't I get a bool packed and aligned into a D3D constant buffer?

For efficiency, constant buffers will be mapped such that values do not straddle GPU registers. Each register is four floats in size (16 bytes) so constant buffer structures must be a multiple thereof on the GPU. Your C++ structure should be padded accordingly if you want to use it as a convenien...

Lurking around and upvoting good answers... I found Josh

user92578

yeah?

Blue Bug

10:55 AM

yes... I were kinda off the school and not doing much but I am back on.

user92578

12:35 PM

@PearsonArtPhoto That's the behaviour I experience currently: You spawn with the weapon you died with.

PearsonArtPhoto

It seems odd, but maybe that's just me.

I kind of expected to respawn with the weapon I started the level with.

Another thing, I'm not sure how keen I am on the sound effects.

Especially the guard alerted sound.

user92578

One of my design ideas has been "let the player choose the weapon", so I don't want to make them look for their favorite again if they happen to die.

user92578

The guard alerted sound is a little weird that's true
I've just grown so accustomed to it that I'm not really sure what I would do to it

user92578

Thanks a lot for the feedback though, there's definitely some stuff that I need to rethink

user92578

I really don't want to sound like a huge dick dismissing any feedback I get so I hope that's not how I'm coming off

PearsonArtPhoto

12:55 PM

Nah, you're fine.

The alert sound would be better with a bit more variation, and sounding a bit more alert or something.

user92578

So I'd love to do like pitch shifting stuff on sounds that are repeated quite often

PearsonArtPhoto

I know you are going for retro, but I think you can do better than something that could almost be a doorbell sound.

user92578

The audio lib's processing functionality isn't really documented at all so I'd have no idea how to implement pitch shifting

user92578

Yeah I agree, door bell is not perhaps the greatest thing

PearsonArtPhoto

If nothing else, pick 2-3 base sounds, it'd make a big difference.

And I think the alert is the biggest thing that needs some variation.

user92578

12:58 PM

Yeah I'll add this to my task list, maybe do some YT research first and then see what I can come up with

PearsonArtPhoto

Gun firing/ explosions, well, they can all sound the same.

Anything that comes from a person should have a bit of variation at the very least.

user92578

Yeah that's a great point, I didn't think about that at all

PearsonArtPhoto

As for the weapons, well, ideally you would make it so each of them has something about it that makes it strong, but also something that makes it weak.

Maybe a pistol will do less collateral damage, that could be a strength.

It could be interesting to have a tutorial, or mini-level, where you test out the various weapons.

user92578

Mmmm, yeah, then on the other hand you have the whole game to do that :)

user92578

What do you mean with "collateral"?

PearsonArtPhoto

1:01 PM

Well, the first level, second prisoner.

There's a 3 high stack of crates, the top one of which explodes (Or burns, or whatever)

With a pistol, maybe only the bottom box will blow up, not causing the top one to burn.

There should be reasons to let the various weapons shine, at least in my mind.

Maybe not a huge thing, but...

Of course, I have a predisposition to puzzle type games, and making your game into a bit more of a puzzle would appeal to me. That would accomplish it.

user92578

Yeah, that box thing is not really about the weapon as that's just how barrels behave: if they are dropped, they explode.
The idea of weapons having more varied behaviours/use cases is definitely something that might be cool but also very tricky to add in at this point

PearsonArtPhoto

Last thing, it isn't really clear that shooting a switch will cause it to switch, at least not until you have actually done it. The first time there was a switch, I manually touched it, the second time, I tried to do so and died, only to realize that I had accidentally switched the switch by firing on it.

user92578

Yeah someone else mentioned that too so I'll add that to the tutorial

PearsonArtPhoto

Still, it has come a long ways!

user92578

Sure thing! :)
What in the world is going on with your account image?

PearsonArtPhoto

1:07 PM

It's a logo I did for an app I made for determining your location in Amateur radio speak.

Ham Finder.