Game Development

that's actually 40% of the game. If tons of people play and don't buy the full version because they can already play most of it free, fuck it. People are playing my game and that's what matters. :)

Jon

2:46 PM

spoken like a true game developer

you think the guy working at activision wanted to make a ET game no one played? NO, he wanted everyone to play his shitty ET game.

TheMuffinCoder

engadget.com/2016/05/06/…

GUYS the gtx 1080 came out

I'm so glad I didn't buy the 980ti yet

Jon

performs better than two 980ti slid

TheMuffinCoder

I'm reading the article rn, thats amazing

I'm so glad to be building my pc at the perfect time

Haven't bought any parts yet so im even more lucky :D

Jon

you realize a 1080 is gonna be like 1000

TheMuffinCoder

So? It's well worth it

I was going to buy the 980ti before

Jon

2:55 PM

apparently 600$ USD

TheMuffinCoder

Jon I'm a bit worried

Do u think the stock will disappear instantly?

Jon

yes

William Mariager

I could never bring myself to buy cutting edge hardware for my desktop PC. :P

Buying something so expensive that will be two thirds the price in half a year ...

Jon

i'm considering buying this

kijiji.ca/v-desktop-computers/moncton/…

which is pretty ridiculous, however, I want the monitor lol

William Mariager

lol

I have an Amiga 500, but it doesn't have a monitor, only a cable to hook it up to a TV.

Jon

3:03 PM

yeah i don't need the monitor, but having it would help complete my set

it looks like it is in rough shape though

William Mariager

I've been toying with the idea of creating an adapter so I can use my XBox360 controllers with it, since the original ones are in a pretty bad state.

Jon

hard to come by nowadays too

that shit is all 30+ years old

William Mariager

I could try and fix them. I think the problem is with the cables, and those could be swapped.

Jon

hell yeah you can fix that shit

William Mariager

I've looked at the specs and they're pretty simple. A dsub9 connector and then each pin is used for input and a few for supply.

Jon

3:05 PM

those old joysticks, the PCB was literally a CM thick trace lines

William Mariager

Yeah :P

Jon

as long as the mechanical parts are functional

and the connector is still usable

wanna see my homeade guitar hero controller?

its just a prototype, lol

Almo

@Jon ET was made by Atari, not Activision, but i get your point. He only had 5 weeks to make it. :)

Jon

It was Greed

Atari lost touch with their entire market

Almo

yeah, pretty much

Jon

3:10 PM

The "who gives a fuck about quality games when they will buy anything" attitude

People say "the fall of gaming" ... there was no decline in gaming

It was just that Atari fucked up -- gamers kept playing games

Instead of calling it the fall of gaming, they should call it the great atari fuck up

They did the same thing with PacMan too.

the same damn year

8 months before releasing ET

William Mariager

@Jon Definitely!

Jon

i'm glad you're with me man, let's do this

DH.

3:36 PM

@Jon This feels like this s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/4a/1d/…

user92578

Aight I finally fixed the website images in Edge and I also added the dev video to the website

user92578

I'll publish those changes tomorrow along with the weekly update I'll write tomorrow

user92578

A video is much cooler than a gif :)

DH.

A video can play dubstep, definitely the way to sell more your game

user92578

No music in the video though yet :(

DH.

3:49 PM

Well at least you downloaded from that freesounds . xyz a bunch of stuff right?

Could find just a placeholder if you want something original

user92578

I have sounds in

user92578

I want to make my own songs

user92578

But I think the video does fine without any TBH

Almo

i've been noticing how a lot of artists I listen to slowly use fewer (and sometimes eventually none) beats. But then I hit a guy whose first album has no beats, but every one after does. I guess it's just people trying new things.

DH.

Well musics are cool, specially to give the feel of epic or frantic

WOW that new battlefield is overpriced

Almo

3:57 PM

how much

does it include server access

DH.

IDK in USD, but it's probably something around 129$

Oh nvm

EA isn't being as cool as Steam and keeping a low rate of exchanging USD -> BRL

So, to me it's expensive as fuck

But it's actually 60$ the version without fancy stuff

PearsonArtPhoto

Just imagine when you get a game on steam, and start making USD from it, how rich you will be;-)

ChromeSlice

waveengine.net

Almo

cause to me, if I pay $60 for Overwatch and I don't have to pay for network access, that's not a bad deal.

ChromeSlice

@Jon jeff-vogel.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-indie-bubble-is-popping.html

Almo

4:09 PM

my first session with Overwatch was pretty fun. I played about 45 min. Even got an epic like once. At the end of a match, there are 4-5 acheivements by players listed, and everyone votes on which they like.

DH.

@PearsonArtPhoto And that's why Steam blocked that games bought from Brazil can only be activated in South America countries :P

Almo

if you get 6 or 7 likes, you get an epic for it

I had like 27 direct rocket hits, and they liked that.

skipped training, jumped right in

man, sniper's hard to play

kotaku.com/…

disturbing stuff about nintendo and miitomo

ChromeSlice

Smile Game Builder GDC2016 Version.

►

William Mariager

4:26 PM

@ChromeSlice Really underlines how little JRPGs differ :P

Almo

@MickLH kill it with fire flag needed

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Q: Play sound in c++

I just build a Neural Network and want to train it to make music. I cant figure out how to output sound. I need a function where you can pass a value or array of ints,doubles or whatever. Thanks for your help

PearsonArtPhoto

4:43 PM

Now using realtime pathfinding.

ChromeSlice

@PearsonArtPhoto Neat

PearsonArtPhoto

Will do a few tweaks with color and such later, but... It's progress!

user92578

looks good, nice job dude!

PearsonArtPhoto

Next week I'm going to try and add in some graphics to make the path look a bit more natural.

Jon

i'm sure we are gonna hear alllllll about it in your blog

so what did you do throw out the winds?

Jon

5:10 PM

@ChromeSlice interesting article

PearsonArtPhoto

Wind is still a part of it, but the wind patterns have a pattern to them for now, two rotating rings in opposite directions.

That's not the final design, but it's a lot more interesting than what it was before.

MickLH

6:25 PM

I'm holding out for the GTX1070 lol

It's still faster than the Titan X except it's only $380 instead of >$1,000

Sie

I should have... I got a 980 (at a great price albeit) last month for Vive development. Should I try to sell it and put that towards a GTX1070?

MickLH

I don't know lol, picking a graphics card frustrates me almost as much as trying to get the shower temperature perfect

Sie

Same here but from what I heard the price point on the new GPU's aren't insane.

MickLH

Well one easy rule of thumb is that if you can sell it for more than its value to you, do it

Sie

Even my soul? It's worth like $3.50 on the black market currently.

MickLH

6:30 PM

Hell yes! shit dude selling your soul is always worth it

The buyers are fools, you can sell it to them and then not even give it to them, they literally never notice

DH.

The GPU are expensive as fuck, the difference of performance between a GTX 970 and a 980 aren't that much, but the price almost doubles

Same thing for the new 1000 series

MickLH

ugh I don't want to spend another day coding as hard as I fucking can growing more frustrated that I'm struggling to type out the code at the speed I think and overflowing the buffer so often that I end up thinking through the problem n times to write n chunks of code

I'm starting to get really mad at you guys and all programmers in general for not working on my projects with me in parallel

Sie

The life of a Programmer: 50% work and 50% complaining about said work

MickLH

Except I spend literally every waking second at this machine coding, and don't get enough sleep because I'm too busy coding

You can take 24 hours, subtract the time spent on this chat, and have a good approximation of how long I spend coding each day :P

Sie

6:46 PM

I know. Speaking of did anyone here about the KSP controversy?

reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/4i6m40/…

MickLH

tbh I never liked KSP, the game idea is great really, but the execution felt so sloppy

the quality of the implementation felt like a "fuck you, gamer" to me, not because of sloppiness alone, but because of inconsistency. Some parts were good enough to show that their team could possibly have done a good job if they cared or were given time or whatever...

I only read the headline from your link... but I'm not outraged or even surprised

1. It's the developer's fault for working 16-hour days for < $2400/year...

If you worked 16 hours straight, and at the end of the day you got $5 for it... You are fucking up if you come back tomorrow. You should mow the neighbor's lawn tomorrow.

DH.

7:34 PM

The problem with a game like KSP is that after you sold a lot, you won't be getting more money just because you're giving away more content
You're just making a customer happy
It's not like it will be a second minecraft that sells even nowadays

Sie

@DH. That's what I don't get about that model. Sure you can float around for a bit on Early Access and then on stable release but after a certain point you're going to reach a peak, right?

Pretty much DLC is the only way to continue it. Unless you have some sort of other revenue model.

Sie

7:48 PM

Here's that fog asset I got a few days ago in action...

gfycat.com/UnfortunateWelcomeAcaciarat

DH.

8:28 PM

WoW nice, looks like a view from above sky

Leggy7

guys, which are the main challenges in creating a font from scratch? I cannot find any useful-to-a-beginner info online

Sie

@DH. Ya. The setting is on top of a mountain.

ChromeSlice

@Leggy7 vandelaydesign.com/how-to-create-a-font

Leggy7

8:43 PM

@ChromeSlice thank you, will look into it!

NaCl

Okay, might take next week as well until I have the basic stuff somewhat-done.

The fun when you do it from scratch™

Sie

"fun"

PearsonArtPhoto

8:59 PM

I heard about the controversy, and that makes me sad. I feel KSP was a very well done game. Some of the sloppiness, in particular with the physics, adds a bit to it in some ways.

I didn't realize that Squad was based in Mexico, that seems odd to me... But hey, it worked, so...

I fully agree, if they think they could do better for a salary, then they have the right to seek out employment elsewhere, and should do so.

NaCl

@Sie fun.

Dominic Hughes

9:18 PM

Anyone know how to use a class public member function as another public member function of the same class parameter in c++?

class foo { public : int fooer(); int foo(foo::fooer);};

as an example ^^

PearsonArtPhoto

You mean inheritance?

Dominic Hughes

Well without using a derived class : ) so just the same class with interacting public member functions .

PearsonArtPhoto

Wait, C++. Sigh.

Dominic Hughes

Id like to call a base opengl drawn window and give it a inner window and center it too that base window

But I can't do that in the same class without using interacting public memeber functions.

DH.

It's that named overload?

Like, same method name, but different signatures

Dominic Hughes

9:24 PM

UI::BaseGraphicBoard(UI::GraphicBoard object, int xsize , intysize , intzlayer);

int ysize, int z layer*

forget the typo fix lol

What do you think ? DH.

NaCl

what the heck are you trying to achieve?

What is int foo(foo::fooer); supposed to mean? A function that takes another member function as argument is pure nonsense

Dominic Hughes

I am trying to contain and position a opengl drawn window inside a base opengl drawn window container without using 2 seperate classes for each type of window .

So I would like to base opengl drawn window too contain a opengl drawn window .

NaCi : it's a class that has 2 public member functions that interact with each other.

Id like to do that at least.

NaCl

Why do you want to keep those in the same class in first place? And btw my name is NaCL not NaCi, that would be too similar to Nazi for me :P

What do you mean by 'interarct'?

Dominic Hughes

:P soo NaCL .
Because it's part of the same UI system why the heck would I seperate it.

Logical Interactions in a c++ sense.

NaCl

That is?

Almo

9:32 PM

can anyone comment on List.Last()?

NaCl

If you want to call fooer inside foo just do that

Dominic Hughes

you think off c++ and you think interactions with c++ their you go

Almo

like

PearsonArtPhoto

I think it's time finally to start procedural generation for my game...

Almo

is it better to use than list[list.Count - 1]?

Dominic Hughes

9:33 PM

I tried that and got errors I'll do it again ..

PearsonArtPhoto

Starting in minor ways, but building them up slowly.

NaCl

class A{public: void foo(){}; void bar(){foo();}}; perfectly fine

Dominic Hughes

interesting .. so you can use a public member function of the same class inside the same class of another public member function definition.

NaCl

you can use it inside a private function, too

Dominic Hughes

Lovely where did you learn this by the way : ) ?

NaCl

9:35 PM

books and internet

Dominic Hughes

Which books , Bjarne's ?

user92578

Programming 101 prob.

Dominic Hughes

It's probably a common problem but lol

user92578

Calling methods from methods is really basic stuff

NaCl

Some poor german introductory book I can't even remember anymore
Most of the stuff I learned came from the internet

user92578

9:37 PM

How have you managed to get here without that?

NaCl

What?

Dominic Hughes

Tyyppi : Because I didn't ever need it : ).

but now I do <3

user92578

You never ever had to call a method from another?

user92578

wonders what your codebase looks like

Dominic Hughes

Not directly no believe it or not lol

Don't worry my code is getting better !

user92578

9:39 PM

Well apparently...

NaCl

I guess it doesn't matter whether your code is "good" or "bad" if only you look at it

user92578

You've called methods of other classes from methods, right?

user92578

And methods from functions like main?

user92578

I'm sorry but I just can't believe this is happening

Dominic Hughes

Sorry this is really confusing...

I've made a class before and used methods from opengl inside of it ...

I have not made my own class and within the same class used two public member functions that both interact with each other directly also if I make a window inside the base definition that kinda defeats the purpose of being able too give my ui system several windows since I'll only have defined one in the base ... dam this is gunna get annoying.

NaCl

9:41 PM

....what

Dominic Hughes

All I want to do is have two public member functions in the same class interacting within the same class .

-__-

user92578

That doesnt make much sense to me. Got a code example? What do you think is not wprking?

Dominic Hughes

my gosh allmighty hold on

NaCl

pls no

Reduce it to the minimum

user92578

^

user92578

9:45 PM

TBH after having to explain double to float casting here three times to a single person before giving up nothing should surprise me

NaCl

lol

user92578

Yeah, that was an absurd moment

user92578

"This API gives me doubles, how can I create an Unity vector (uses floats) with them?"

NaCl

Oh, I thought he did stuff like double a = 0.; float b = *reinterpret_cast<float*>(&a);

user92578

No, solution was literally Vector2 result = new Vector2((float)x, (float)y);

user92578

9:50 PM

He did not get that at all

NaCl

Nice.

Dominic Hughes

pastebin.com/R7eU4Tgw

their hope that makes more sense

NaCl

I'm scared to click on that

oh ok

Dominic Hughes

I'm not a shit programmer people this is rather complex task imo.

user92578

Umm

PearsonArtPhoto

9:53 PM

I might have to look in to making custom Unity editors...

user92578

base_window should just take in int

NaCl

What purpose has the global ui_system variable?

user92578

And your method naming is awful

NaCl

oh now I see what you try

user92578

@NaCl it's not actually global, it's probaböy just example usage here

NaCl

9:54 PM

@Tyyppi_77 But he doesn't use it

user92578

Not yet

Dominic Hughes

so I should have a public member parameter that holds the entire public member function as an int value rather then the public member function I'm asking for.

user92578

That depends on who you want to have ownership

Dominic Hughes

the same class I do not want 2 seperate classes two slightly different opengl drawn windows.

user92578

@DominicHughes I think your naming is making you confuse instances and methods

Dominic Hughes

9:56 PM

for***

NaCl

@DominicHughes Make a seperate class that is just there for creating a window. Really, much cleaner. This class then can have several methods to modify the window before creation

Dominic Hughes

Tyyppi: so you are saying that I should use camel case?

user92578

No.

Dominic Hughes

BaseWindow ...

then what?

user92578

Meaninful names

user92578

9:57 PM

I don't care at all if it's camelcase or all caps

Dominic Hughes

BaseGraphicBoard
GraphicBoard those are meaningful names for me.

user92578

CreateCenteredWindow();

NaCl

all caps, go for it

Dominic Hughes

NaCL , I want a window inside a window without having to manually set it on the usage side ... I want it inside the definition urgh.. nevermind I'll figure it out.

user92578

Or even WindowHandle win = CreateWindow(CENTER); or WindowHandle win = CreateWindow(); CenterWindow(win);

user92578

9:59 PM

This might be an XY problem

user92578

@DominicHughes Behind all this you just want a parent-child relationship?

user92578

But really, you are naming methods like they are classes

MickLH

Woah wtf people need to be exact with their thoughts god damn

user92578